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Oct-27-16
 | | OhioChessFan: I decided to take a closer look. Two particular points of interest: 1. <pick three
A gambling proposition in which the outcome of three different events must be predicted correctly to win. > ChessBookie Game Glossary 2. <Mar-06-16 Chessgames Bookie: All bets were refunded on the Round 6 Pick 3. No one had the correct pick which was Draw-Black-White.> Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #10387) I conclude that the Pick 3 should have been refunded per the definition of the bet and the past practice mentioned on March 6 of this year. |
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Oct-27-16
 | | Annie K.: <scout118> personally I actually agree with you, but when I act as Bookie, I follow site policy. :) Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #5495)
Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #7463)
Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #7891) |
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Oct-27-16
| | OhioChessFan: Hmmmmmmm. The plot thickens. |
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Oct-27-16
| | Annie K.: <Ohio> the Bookie who made that decision was the inexperienced WinKing. It's not really a wrong decision, either, and if nobody objected at the time, there is no point in rehashing it now, but a Bookie who knows what the site's policy has always been on this matter, would not have done that. |
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Oct-27-16
| | OhioChessFan: Yeah, the cg.c statements were pretty clear cut, and in fact, in line with reality. Anyway, when push comes to shove, the current Bookie is Dictator for the Leg and what she says, goes. |
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| Oct-27-16 | | WinKing: For what it's worth I agree with <scout118>. If there are no winners no one should get paid. I don't agree with chessgames decision to pay out on 2/3. |
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| Oct-27-16 | | TheFocus: <WinKing> <I don't agree with chessgames decision to pay out on 2/3.> Me either. |
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Oct-27-16
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: The Bookie is the law, and the administrators' position on what should happen in cases like this has been stated many times before; it shouldn't come as a big surprise. If you don't like the idea of a ticket with only 2 out of 3 right cashing in, place a few bucks on the line with 3/3 right next time :) |
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| Oct-27-16 | | wordfunph: a no-brainer, i was expecting a refund but here goes an interesting move --- payout on 2/3?! hmmmm... |
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| Oct-27-16 | | wordfunph: Tea time!
<Russian Women's Championship Round 11: Pick Three : Draw-Draw-White [cash in ticket] 50 YOU WIN! COLLECT 2421 47:1 48.43 2,421 Oct-27-16> Ovod, yodawoman! :) |
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| Oct-27-16 | | centralfiles: can we try to finish with some variety
i.e.
Will the last match be between Anand and mvl?
Yes or no
also number of moves and match scores etc... |
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| Oct-28-16 | | scout118: <chessgames.com:> <I'll talk to Annie to find out exactly what happened, but it's true, the 2-out-of-3 rule is the ChessBookie! policy when nobody hits the pick-3. This is how actual parimutuel gambling establishments settle bets where there would otherwise be no winners.> Been playing this bookie game for a while but never saw this unwritten "policy" of paying "close but no champagne" bettors such big jackpots. Could you provide a link to an instance such policy was ever applied? Parimutuel establishments may have a system of applying one time bets when payouts are mandatory, but these rules probably do not apply to tournament legs where standings are affected particularly at the end of a leg. The cleanest & fairest way to handle lines without winning bets I believe would be to simply refund all bets. This way standings are not affected. If the man at the top is dislodged because of a non-winning bet undeservedly awarded, it just doesn't seem to make sense or seem to be entirely fair. |
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Oct-28-16
| | SwitchingQuylthulg: <scout118> The Bookie doing what the Bookie and the administrators have repeatedly said should happen in a case like this is hardly unfair; or, at any rate, it is not more unfair than the Bookie doing something else would be. Yes, <Annie> as Bookie could have decided that for whatever reason it made more sense in this particular case to refund all bets, and that would have been in line with what <WinKing> did as Bookie... but if she did that, the player(s) with 2/3 right could have complained - understandably and not without justification - that <that> was unfair.
Bookies try to be as fair as possible, but unfortunately every Bookie decision has its winners and losers; refunding all bets would also have affected the standings, and is not some kind of default decision to automatically fall back on if there's the slightest doubt as to what the Bookie should do. Hopefully this case will make it clear to everybody, including both players and future Bookie volunteers, what the general guideline for cases like this is. And like the rules say:
<Discrepancies/disputes
The following rules are established to provide game continuity in the event of discrepancies, disputes, miscommunications, cancelations, forfeitures, and other exceptional situations. [...]
9. Notwithstanding anything in this agreement, in the event of any dispute regarding a wager or winnings, the decision of the Chessgames Bookie will be final and binding in all matters. In plain English: If we have to make an arbiter decision, we'll try to be as fair as possible--but our decisions are final.> This is not to say you can't appeal to the Bookie. But if you do appeal to the Bookie and the Bookie says "no", that's it; please take a deep breath and don't start another fight in this forum. |
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| Oct-28-16 | | centralfiles: Switch lets quit this fight and get some good ideas for some final bets...
You were always great at that... |
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| Oct-28-16 | | wordfunph: <Switch>
<but if she did that, the player(s) with 2/3 right could have complained> 2/3 player/s did not hit the jackpot and they have no right to complain, only 3/3 should be paid --- that is why we call it Pick 3 and not Pick 2/3. Just simple as that, period. <Bookies try to be as fair as possible> True but unfortunately not on this case. |
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| Oct-28-16 | | wordfunph: i believe the bookie misjudged this one, it would be fair to refund all bets. |
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Oct-28-16
| | OhioChessFan: <centralfights: Switch lets quit this fight > Pshaw, what fun is that? |
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| Oct-28-16 | | wordfunph: let's take a closer look..
Pick three results to win big! The games are:
1. Grischuk - Kokarev
2. Jakovenko - Riazantsev
3. Oparin - Fedoseev
<Bookie> clearly states 3/3 results and not 2/3 results. |
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| Oct-28-16 | | wordfunph: <Bookie> it is not yet late, please refund all bets. Thank you. |
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Oct-28-16
| | Annie K.: <Switch> thanks for saving me a lot of typing. :) Folks, a couple of things. First, this isn't a democracy here. Second, refunds are for cancellations (player withdraws, wrong pairings posted on official site, etc.), and for Bookie errors. They are NOT for "bettor errors"; the 3/3 line was available to bet on, and so were all 2/3 lines. You didn't bet on either the 3/3 or all those 2/3's, too bad for you, isn't it? Why you would think you're "entitled" to a refund is beyond me. :p At least somebody else got closer than you, he wins. Case closed, move on, thankyou. I would love to put up a Vachier-Lagrave - Anand match winner bet, but so far I haven't been able to find out when that match starts. And we can't have a bet without a closing time, so the sooner somebody manages to find that out, the sooner I can put it up... make yourselves useful. ;) |
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Oct-28-16
| | OhioChessFan: <And we can't have a bet without a closing time, so the sooner somebody manages to find that out, the sooner I can put it up... make yourselves useful.> Pshaw, what fun is that?
FWIW, you probably should be wearing your Bookie costume and not your cat costume in the current situation. |
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Oct-28-16
| | Annie K.: Fine, I found it myself. :p
Oh yeah, forgot to change. That's an official post, regardless. ;) |
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Oct-28-16
| | OhioChessFan: Bookies and cats rule the world. |
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Oct-28-16
| | Annie K.: OK, found one more tournament with pairings posted, so that we can squeeze in some more action before the end of the leg: The Nordic Championship. :) |
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Oct-28-16
 | | Chessgames Bookie: Note: the live bets offered now are the last bets of the leg. There will be no further chances to improve your standing in the rankings, so plan your strategies accordingly. Good luck! |
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