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| Nov-30-07 | | achieve: <Dom> First time I saw/heard this and he looks in pretty bad shape, but pulls this off in a strangely, hauntingly good way... Besides the lyrics - the way he phrases the words like "...will teach you *nothing*..." and that last chunk out of his guitar at the end... We don't even need them bloody URLs then, eh?
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Nov-30-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> I agree ... first time I saw this was on TV in the 1980s, and I thought he looked terrible. But he was actually on the upswing back to fitness and health. Still, the somehow damaged look gives the clip more poignancy. I prefer his piano songs generally to the guitar-backed ones, but Thoughtless Kind is one of the great exceptions. Another URL-less pointer: see what you think of "Scott walker jesse" -- 'Jesse' being the song. Very, very dark. |
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| Nov-30-07 | | achieve: <... like the scars of imagination ...> I was reading some on the Album this (Thoughtless Kind) is from -- and the above line he later added to the original lyrics, it seems... Brilliant. Gonna check "Jesse" now... It's a very dark shady afternoon in Amsterdam anyhow thus far... "Periscope down..." (couldn't resist) |
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| Nov-30-07 | | achieve: <Dom> Yes. Very dark... but still there are a few elements in there that I can't really give a place, yet. Maybe it has something to do with the voice - the Gregorian Churh tone that is used... Not sure how to phrase this... Gonna go for a walk now first... See what comes up... PS. I do not feel unsettled or uneasy by it, either... Not in the least... |
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Nov-30-07
| | Domdaniel: <Niels> The album that Thoughtless Kind first appeared on -- Music for a New Society -- is possibly my all-time favorite by anybody. 'Chinese Envoy' and 'Damn Life' are particularly good. The other main contenders are Tilt and Drift by Scott Walker. All three seem somehow to belong to the same genre: voice, dissonance, gloomy old sod noises. And fractured poetics. Whatever happened to happy pop music? |
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| Nov-30-07 | | Red October: ♙ POLITBURO DECREE ♙
All Indian Defences are hereby renamed "Native American" Defences. Further all Bourgeois and Aristocratic references in Chess Openings will be erased from Chess History. Hence forth the King's Indian Defence will now be called the Proletariat's Native American Defence or and PRONAD. The PRONAD will be the preferred Chess Opening of a Comrade unless he prefers to use the Grunfeld Old Native American Defence which is not reduced to an acronym as there may be children about. It is not recommended for our Female Comrades to use the afore mentioned Grunfeld Old Native American Defence. The Queen's Indian Defence is now referred to as the Queen's Unusual Enduring and Enterprising Repartee. Comrades are warned to use this form of Chess Play at their own risk. NOTE: ANYONE REPORTED OR FOUND VIOLATING THIS DECREE RUNS THE RISK OF BEING DEPORTED TO ICELAND AND BEING LOCKED IN A CELL WITH BOBBY |
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| Nov-30-07 | | Red October: next the Dutch Defence |
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Nov-30-07
| | Domdaniel: <Comrade Red> Is that <Daring Unusual Theoretical Clashing Hordes> or <Don't Underestimate The Creeping Horrors>? Or even <Deviationists Use This Cheap Hustle>? |
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Dec-01-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <These aren't the Droids you want>. Actually, it's not the <movie i want>. I want <THX 1138> instead. Excellent MOA, my flightless pen pal. It's certainly deserving of a response. Consequently, a PENGUIN may be swimming your way soon. They're the world's best dressed, and therefore smuggest, bird. And why not?
Stupid penguins.
Regards,
JFQ |
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Dec-01-07
 | | Open Defence: are the Penguins Sealed with a Kiss from a Rose ? |
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| Dec-01-07 | | achieve: <Dom> <The other main contenders are Tilt and Drift by Scott Walker. All three seem somehow to belong to the same genre: voice, dissonance, gloomy old sod noises. And fractured poetics. Whatever happened to happy pop music?>
After appreciating John Cale's "Thoughtless Kind" (what a title) I wasn't sure what to do with Jesse by Scott Walker... I decided to think through what motivated me to hold my tongue on your question- and on that song... Here's the thing...
I never felt attracted to Darkness of any kind, in Music, but for a rare exception, or occasion. Darkness is so abundant inside of myself, available at any time, but so hard to get out... I suffer from it constantly, mostly during the night- and it has, on occasion, driven me to the brink of insanity. The only reason I (still) struggle to kick my alcohol addiction, is precisely to get a good night's sleep in every few days... I have the darkness painfully available at the touch of a button- and I do not *need* music/lyrics to remind, explain or show that to me. I already know what hurts, baffles and eats away at me. That is why I enjoy the mind-field here at chessgames: it offers a form of escape and distraction, in a positive way, and allows me to meet and interact with people like you and Jessica, with whom I developed a priceless contact, be it only through the typed medium... As much as I do not look for darkness in music, I do look for sadness of some kind, even within a chord, to allow my feelings to get out, in stead of conveniently, it seems, keep them locked inside. In Cale's Thoughtless Kind, there are a few chords he uses, that are loaded with a beautiful dissonance, beyond description... It somehow shows his frustration, as well as perfect understanding and use of classical harmony, with which he shares his thoughts and feelings... But in general I look for music to uplift me and inspire me, make me jump and run, laugh and cry, and think... But not looking for darkness... This post is not meant in any way as some kind of critical reaction to your post-- on the contrary... It is just a personal note I wanted to share. Luckily we all sing in different keys and share our songs at the same time. <Dom> If I had your email address I would probably have written you there, along with remarking the respect I have for you and the way you present yourself. |
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Dec-01-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Hi <Niels>! How the heck are you? You guys are posting some beautiful sentimental YouTube selections. Through tears, laughter.
Oh yes and <remember- forget>. OK there's two Buddhist aphorisms to muddle up the discussion. AROOO |
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| Dec-01-07 | | Eyal: <Dom> Check out Shirov vs Y Shulman, 2007, played a few days ago at the world cup in the wild main line of the Winawer, with Shirov using the 13.Rg1 idea recently revived by Svidler (in Svidler vs E Berg, 2007 – interesting to compare the two games). I think it's a great example of how topsy-turvy those razor sharp positions can get tactically. First Shirov blunders with 21.Kxe2? (though after 21.Qxe2 d3! Black also has an edge) and is totally losing; then Shulman blunders with 26...e2?? when he has several rather clear winning lines; and finally he plays 28...Qh3+ (missing the more subtle Qh4) and goes down in flames. |
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| Dec-01-07 | | achieve: <Dom> Here's another thing. heh. I said <But not looking for darkness...> (in music) - but I guess that is not entirely true... What you called <fractured poetics> *is* something I have a fondness for... and having them put to certain gloomy old sod music can probably enhance the experience... In my case I always sang along with all kinds of music, as a kid, not knowing even a word I was singing, obviously, as I hardly knew any words in English, to begin with. Even now, I tend to not consciously listen to lyrics, but more to the sound of the words and the delivery... I can imagine that being entirely different for a native english speaker... Added to that I have learned to appreciate all different kinds of music over the years, as it takes a certain age or readiness or ripe-ness (is that a word?) to understand and take in different types of music - an acquired taste I believe some put it... <Beethoven>'s last Sonatas for piano contain passages that speak to the depths of the human heart, mind and soul, the darker corners if you will, and those are the ones that I enjoy beyond description, but tear me up at the same time when I listen to them - no exception - I can't keep it dry... so my stating to steer away fromm dark sounds in music, wasn't totally honest... Maybe I have a fear it gets me in a mood that I find hard to get out of - which would be a bit cowardly, in some ways... |
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Dec-01-07
| | Domdaniel: <Niels> You can hear things and perceive layers of meaning that are audible to very few people. Certainly not me. I like 'darkness' cos I got so little of my own, shallow being that I am. Shallow, or with very well-built defence mechanisms, emotionally bulletproof, like a human French Defence. Same difference in the end. |
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Dec-01-07
| | Domdaniel: <Eyal> Thanks -- by coincidence, I just watched Shirov in Chessbase magazine describe his Bundesliga 2006 win over Vaganian -- where he said he wasn't prepared to face the French so he tried a Catalan instead. He's funny and self-deprecating and brilliant. I think I'm becoming a Shirov fan... |
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| Dec-01-07 | | Eyal: <I think I'm becoming a Shirov fan...> So am I... Speaking of which, today he played another brilliant game (Onischuk vs Shirov, 2007), and this time luck had nothing to do with it. |
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| Dec-01-07 | | mack: <achieve> You're from Holland, aintcha? Did you ever come across Alfred J. Kwak in your travels? |
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| Dec-01-07 | | mack: Obligatory chess bit:
Who wrote the following on 8th July, 1938?
'I have a large garden at my disposal, in peace and quiet, and my desk in front of a window with a clear view of the sound. The small ships that sail past therefore represent my only distraction, apart from the daily chess interlude with Brecht.' |
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| Dec-01-07 | | achieve: <mack> It's a cartoon, right? Going by the "Kwak" it's about a duck?
I heard the name before but no extra bells ringing at this moment... heh - innaresting... |
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Dec-01-07
| | Domdaniel: <mack> Two dodgy guesses: (1) Kwak: cover-icon from Dutch edition of 'Mad' magazine? (2) "I have a large garden..." Hmm. This sounds like Nan Tucket and her dog, Brecht. The 'sound' reference gives the game away. *mandatory chess bit* -- see above, ie "gives the game away". There are no winged insects of the order Diptera on me, y'know. |
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| Dec-01-07 | | achieve: <Alfred Jodocus Kwak> I just checked and it is an award winning cartoon covering a wide range of themes, consisting of 52 episodes that were aired here from 1989- 1991. Must have missed it...
*blushes*
One of my favourite artists/personalities Herman van Veen was involved with music and storylines... doh |
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Dec-01-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Kwak> is a most excellent name. tha name's <Kwak>.
<Mr. Kwak>. |
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| Dec-02-07 | | achieve: <Jess> Right - Alfred J. Kwak = cool The creator Herman van Veen is beyond cool -- a master "kleinkunstenaar" we say in Dutch... Cabaret Artistique, en Francais. Truly an inspirational artist and public Ambassador for Children's Rights... I became aware of his genius as a stage performer after the cartoon series. "Rasmus Rap" in Danish, remarkable number of translations of that series... Performances all over the world in four languages. Possibly appreciated more abroad than at home... Age 62 and still going strong. They do not come any better than Mr. Herman van Veen. |
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Dec-02-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: heh I believe you <Niels> and <Van Veen> is a cool name as well. I posted my Yahoo "game of the week" at my forum instead of Kingscrusher game-- I'll post that later-- I analyzed it with <Crafty> since my "one month free demo" <Shreddies> is over now. My Mom ordered it for me by credit card though so I'll find out in 24 hours if I have "perma-Shreddies" or not. I hope it works.
Will you take a look at the game <Niels> if you get a chance? It was very, very exhilirating.
<Dom> will you look too if you have time? Regards,
Jessica Frazzled Plush Pig |
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