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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: Tired and happy from playing chess, eh? I can empathize with that. And it beats being hyperactive and miserable from not playing chess, dunnit? But you try telling that to the kids these days and they won't believe yer. |
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Mar-15-08 | | mack: Just think, chaps. At this very moment Duncan Suttles is playing chess in public again. It may be a simul, and a tandem simul at that, but nonetheless gamescores and reports should start creeping through. It truly is the Second Coming. Here's a quick bit about the Year of the Rat Decathlon part whatever the hell it is now: MD vs CS
1.g3 Nf6 2.d3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 (How *dare* somebody fianchetto a bishop before me!) 4.Bd2 d5 5.Qc1 d4 6.Nd1  click for larger viewAt this point our board one told me that 'I should just @#$%ing give up.' I did no such thing. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: Anyone remember the <Slug Defence>? Well, take a slug a *this* jug ... T Jug vs Aljaz Sluga, 2001. The game, to be fair, looks like it was played between two small boys. White breaks down the Petrov Fortress, wins two pawns, get a rook on the 7th ... and *loses* the ending. Not with a big blunder, either, but move by horrible move, in the manner of one who's never been past move 25 before. The Slug Defence is relentless and scary and brings my phobias out of their oubliette. But the game is rubbish. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Yes, these top board types can be full of themselves. Mine isn't talking to me because he arrived 50 minutes late for a match, by which time I'd been promoted to board one and was being massacred. I'd like to say 'promoted myself to board one' but in truth I had only the haziest idea of what was going on. And I'm one of the two team members who allegedly speaks English. The others are a ragtag lot. Fast Eddie Gufeld used to get annoyed as well when beaten to the fianchetto. Oddly and synchronistically enough, I took a look at a Suttles game last night -- Silman vs Suttles, which was fun. Lone Pine, I think. Suttles won by not trying to cash in his advantage until he could bag a king. |
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Mar-15-08 | | mack: Ah yes, Silman-Suttles, 1975. 'Reassess *your* chess, you classically-minded square!' 9...Bc8 is the first eye-opener, which I wouldn't have thought of even after years of free, transatlantic training at the alter of King Dunc. The potential revealed check after 15...dxe5 is a chimera; what's white got but an even more shattered 'centre'? 26.Nf7+? So what? The cute knights on f5 and h5 are together worth a million rooks. Got to say, though, that this is hardly the best example of Synchronicity City, given that I drool over dusty Suttles gems each and every day. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Funny thing (I checked): 9...Bc8 was also Fritz's choice, either first or a very close second. For almost the whole game Fritz evaluated black as clearly better: the beast can see through chimeras as well. So Suttles, in some odd way, is a very 'sound' player. Maybe not exactly classical, but he wasn't making 'bad' moves either. I read something recently about an Italian research team who compared various grandmasters to engines -- not so much an absolute measure of anything as a measure of their engine-like-ness. Predictably, Karpov came out on top: though I don't think Suttles would have been as far behind as some might think. Basman is another story. |
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Mar-15-08 | | mack: By the way, in that last game I was able to get in my own personal tribute to Nimzowitsch vs Rubinstein, 1926: click for larger viewHere I played 15.Nh1. Not because it's the best move, or even that good, but because I *could*. Hardly the right attitude, I guess, but it made me happy. |
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Mar-15-08 | | mack: <Dom> Innaresting. What does Fritz say about black's sixth in Schulman vs Suttles, 1965? |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Move six is a bit early to expect anything sensible from a comp ... but I comply. Back in a bit. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Wow. This *is* a surprise... First, some background: I use Fritz 10 with its opening book turned on (mostly) -- so it isn't thinking for the first few moves, just following its book. However, 'book' lines also tend to include bits of Suttlesiana, so you can't take anything for granted. What sometimes happens is the engine struggles to come to grips with the position for two or three moves after leaving the book, whether that happens on move 4 or move 18. The humanoid plan pushes one way, silicon logic the other: and sometimes they fall out violently. But to consider the matter at hand: 1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.f4 Nc6 5.Be3 was all in Fritzy's book. But at this point it's on its own. First choice: 5...Nf6 (dirty rat?)
2nd choice [by a small margin]: 5...Nh6 [as played by Dunc]. The 3rd choice was some way behind. This gave me a mild jolt, but was nothing to what came next. After 6.Be2, Fritz's first choice was the same as Suttles' -- 6...d5 Not just that, but by a huge margin (for a non-forcing opening line), 6...d5 was '=' with a nominal +0.23 for white. The next move was far worse, over +0.5 in white's favour. This at 14-ply or so. I let it run awhile, and the margin increased. By 18-ply, 6...d5 was still far ahead, while the next move (6...0-0) had fallen to +0.75 or so. The point seems to be that only ...d5 stops white from playing d5 himself. The line after 6...0-0 7.d5 is not pretty for black. So there we have it: Suttles the super-meta-classicist, anticipator of engines ... the man who was Thursday Fortnight ... The man who was right, apparently. In centuries to come they'll smile indulgently at the innocence of Fischer's naive opening play, pointing to Suttles as the only human back then who *understood*. "And he didn't even have a chip in his head ... as far as anyone can tell..." |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: I saw what Lawrence Day said, BTW. Shock value, my sainted posterior. This is good chess, period. As they say. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> And - if it doesn't add insult to the other thing -- Nh1 looks like an excellent move in your FEN. I haven't Fritzed it, but it makes a lot of sense. Though normally a Nh1 should exit by a point other than the one it came in at ... here you need to hold g3 while preparing g4, some queen move, eventually Ng3 ... I think. But Nh1 is almost normal these days. I played ...Nh1 as *black* recently -- deep into the other guy's turf. I had a rescue plan mapped out, which involved a shock entry to f2, where it could be taken: but if snapped off, my *other* knight had a series of deadly forks. What I'd missed, alas, was that after those deadly forks the 2nd knight ended up in the other corner, at a1, with no exit, and the enemy king strolls over and chops it off. Luckily he offered me a draw instead. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: PS. What's a <tandem simul> anyway? "I'll be the grandmaster, and you can be 125 scruffy punters, okay?" "No, I wanna be the GM! You *promised*"
"OK, but we've only got one set. We'll have to do it blindfold ..." [all, singing]
"And you'll look great
When you say 'checkmate!'
In a simulcast built for two ..." |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> BTW, all the comments here re Qxd4, Watson, Bh6!! etc were made before I actually looked at your game chez Eyal. Jolly good jinx show! |
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Mar-15-08
 | | TheAlchemist: <The game, to be fair, looks like it was played between two small boys.> I actually know black, I have played against him a few times already and he's now 19, so he was 12 at the time. I searched for white and she was also 12 at the time. So, it turns out you were almost right. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Suttles update at 20-ply (1) 6... d5 [+0.32]
(2) 6... e5 [+0.63]
(3) 6... e6 [+0.71]
Innaresting, non? |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Even mysteriouser. It seems the Suttles line with ...d6 and ...d5 was previously played by Katalymov in 1959. The game, Vistinietzki-Katalymov, doesn't seem to be in the CG database, though other games from the same tournament are. Katalymov is another guy I've kept an eye on. Have we talked about him before? He has an eponymous variation of the French, which I've tried a few times -- 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2/c3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Qd5!? -- which he sprang on some of the heavies like Botvinnik and Bronstein in the mid-60s. Then he vanished. Siberia, possibly. Few games in the 70s, none between 1980 and 1995. Then, at the turn of the century, he showed up again, played his variation a few times in Tomsk. And stopped again circa 2002. Possibly dead for good this time, but you never can tell. His 1959 game with Vistinietzki went:
1.d4 g6
2.e4 d6
3.Nc3 Bg7
4.f4 Nc6
5.Be3 Nh6
6.Be2 d5
7.e5 Nf5
8.Bf2 h5
... and Black won (0-1, 33).
6...d5 has also been played on several occasions since then -- but if lesser mortals can't ape the likes of Katalymov and Suttles, who's to ape? |
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Mar-15-08
 | | TheAlchemist: <Dom> Sorry to keep interrupting, Katalymov also has his variation in the Sicilian: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 b6. Quite the inventor. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> - <Spot the Katalymov> Here's a position from that Vistinietzki-Katalymov game. You'll notice that Black's development is far from complete, but White has also got in on the act with moves like Nd1. What happens next?  click for larger viewWhite has just played 12.b3
Katalymov replied 12 ... Bf8!
Beat *that*, Dunc. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Alchemist> Not a problem, all input welcome. I wasn't particularly trying to be snide about the small boys: it's just such a smallboyish game. And better than I could produce aged 12. Just tell me that you know Katalymov too and you'll really make my day. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | TheAlchemist: We're talking about Boris Katalymov, right? (by the way, he has very interesting "comments" on his page) I once "discovered" 2...b6 and then found out it is named after him. That's how I found out about him. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Alchemist> Boris is the man, all right ... though it did cross my mind after the 15-year silence that there might be two of them, like a father-and-son act. But playing the same dodgy opening lines is taking filial duty a bit too far. Not many comments where I looked, btw, unless you mean Pedr and his downloads? The French line with ...Qd5 was something I used in blitz games -- black can rattle off a lot of moves while white stops to think, and you get a decent attack if it goes well. At slower rates, though, it tends to get crushed. I also - this is the 70s/80s - experimented with just about every ...b6 line, including the Katalymov Sicilian (also pretty dubious, I think -- Basman was also a devotee). My favorite was the French variation 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 b6 ... but I had the 'bad' luck to have good results at first and then go on using it past its sell-by date. Lately, though, I've tried a few ...b6 lines again -- against the English, for example, with a Queen's Indian transposition sometimes. I have a slight impression that ...b6 generally is coming back into fashion -- but I doubt if we'll ever see the kind of prominence it had when Korchnoi was using it to win candidates matches against Polugayevsky and Spassky. It's possible that Katalymov never stopped playing, just dropped below the threshold of Informator visibility in the days before big databases. I'd only seen some games from the 60s, and got a real surprise when I saw his name turn up again around 1998-2000. But he could have been playing in local Russian events that never made international publication. There's possibly an interesting story there, if anyone knows it ... |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: Katalymov certainly enjoyed his openings -- he was also a 1.b4 player, winning a neat 11-mover against Ilvitsky. |
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Mar-15-08
 | | Domdaniel: One more Katalymov snippet: I've got 313 of his games in my database, played between 1952 and 2003. Of these, just 56 are draws -- less than 18%, or slightly more than one per year. Has any contemporary GM got such a low draw rate? |
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Mar-16-08 | | playground player: <DomDaniel> Tsk,tsk--what did they tell you, when you were first learning chess, about bringing the Queen out too early? |
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