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Domdaniel: Blank Reg: "They said there was no future - well, this is it."
 
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Domdaniel: Haaarry Neeeeds a Brutish Empire... https://youtu.be/ZioiHctAnac
 
   Jan-06-19 G McCarthy vs M Kennefick, 1977 (replies)
 
Domdaniel: Maurice Kennefick died over the new year, 2018-2019. RIP. It was many years since I spoke to him. He gave up chess, I reckon, towards the end of the 80s, though even after that he was sometimes lured out for club games. I still regard this game, even after so many years, as the ...
 
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Domdaniel: Kennefick died over the 2018-19 New Year. Formerly one of the strongest players in Ireland, he was the first winner of the Mulcahy tournament, held in honour of E.N. Mulcahy, a former Irish champion who died in a plane crash. I played Kennefick just once, and had a freakish win, ...
 
   Jan-06-19 Anand vs J Fedorowicz, 1990 (replies)
 
Domdaniel: <NBZ> -- Thanks, NBZ. Enjoy your chortle. Apropos nothing in particular, did you know that the word 'chortle' was coined by Lewis Carroll, author of 'Alice in Wonderland'? I once edited a magazine called Alice, so I can claim a connection. 'Chortle' requires the jamming ...
 
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Domdaniel: <al wazir> - It's not easy to go back through past Holiday Present Hunts and discover useful information. Very few people have played regularly over the years -- even the players who are acknowledged as best, <SwitchingQuylthulg> and <MostlyAverageJoe> have now ...
 
   Jan-05-19 Wesley So (replies)
 
Domdaniel: Wesley is a man of his word. Once again, I am impressed by his willingness to stick to commitments.
 
   Jan-04-19 G Neave vs B Sadiku, 2013 (replies)
 
Domdaniel: Moral: if you haven't encountered it before, take it seriously. Remember Miles beating Karpov with 1...a6 at Skara. Many so-called 'irregular' openings are quite playable.
 
   Dec-30-18 Robert Enders vs S H Langer, 1968
 
Domdaniel: <HMM> - Heh, well, yes. I also remembered that Chuck Berry had a hit with 'My Ding-a-ling' in the 1970s. I'm not sure which is saddest -- that the author of Johnny B. Goode and Memphis Tennessee and Teenage Wedding - among other short masterpieces - should sink to such ...
 
   Dec-30-18 T Gelashvili vs T Khmiadashvili, 2001 (replies)
 
Domdaniel: This is the game I mean: Bogoljubov vs Alekhine, 1922
 
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Sep-29-06
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  Domdaniel: On a combination of gut instinct and earlier analysis, I tend to agree with what <kwgurge> just posted. My personal preference is for N1d2 in almost all situations. There are a couple of lines where things suddenly open up and get tactical - extremely unlikely from what we know of AN's gameplan - and in some of those positions Nc3 is useful. But as long as we're maneuvering around - which is pretty inevitable for the foreseeable future - the route via d2 looks preferable.

Two stand-out reasons:
(1) Flexibility: covers both c4 and f3
(2) Avoids the drawbacks of Nc3, which blocks the c-pawn.

Will do some more detailed work on this, and also copy material to a backup forum dealing specifically with the knight development.

Sep-29-06
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  kwgurge: <Nasrudin Hodja> Here are some thoughts (mine not an engine's) on the lines you posted above. 12...o-o 13.N1d2 Bd7 14.f4 Nxd3 15. cxd3 Bc6 (now instead of your Nc4) 16.Nd4 Bd7 (forced or the exchange is lost after 16...Be8 17.e5! dxe5 18.fxe5 Nd5 (or d7) 19. Bh6) 17.e5 dxe5 18.fxe5 Nd5 19. Bh6 Re8 20. Nc4 and white looks better to me.

I did not look at the Na3 line because it doesn't seem to accomplish much for white. It takes the N away from the action and allows black to take it with the d7 Bishop pulling our QR to a less desirable square and eliminating a potential b6 occupier.

12...o-o 13. Nc3?! Bd7 14.Bg5?! allows 14...Rc8 with control of the 1/2 open c-file or 14...Nfg4 15. Bxe7 Qxe7 16.Any reasonable move 16...Nxd3 and black looks better (coordinated rooks, c-file control and after pawn to e5 our knights have no scope at all.

See <Domdaniel's> forum for the relative merits of 13.N1d2.

Sep-29-06
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  kwgurge: <Nasrudin Hodja's> lines are posted on the main game page 334.
Sep-29-06  RookFile: Well, I don't really like putting the knight on d2. However, what matters is the truth of the chess position, not personal opinion. Here are a couple of possibilities involving Nd2.

i.e. 12.... 0-0 13. N1d2 Nxd3 and now

A) 14. Qxd3 e5 15. Nc4 Be6 16. Nb6 Rb8
This is a fairly typical Sicilian
position. White has some pressure,
and even a space advantage. However, black owns the long term trumps: a central pawn majority and the two bishops. I don't like White's prospects here despite black's shortterm discomfort.

B) 14. cxd3 e5 15. Nc4 Be6 16. Nb6 Rb8

I think this is a little bit better for white than A, but black is still fully equal, having the two bishops.

Sep-29-06  RookFile: The thing about boring old 13. Nc3 is: you don't need to move the knight anywhere when black goes in for ...Nxd3, ...e5, and ...Be6. It does a good job right where it is by influencing the e4 and d5 squares. (Note particularly the e4 square - you lose that control when you put a knight on b6.)
Sep-30-06  Angus Canuck: <kwgurge: There will be advocates for f4>

I might be one of them. I hope f4 gets a forum.

Now that we are emerging from the opening, I have unboxed Fritz 8, Shredder 8, Hiarcs 9, Junior 8, and Chess Tiger 15. I let each engine analyze a position. Then I give the most positive engine the White pieces, and the most negative engine the Black pieces, and I let them play each other. Inevitably, one of them proves the other wrong.

Using this method, negative Shredder shattered positive Hiarcs optimism regarding 13.Bb6, which seems drawish. Cynical Shredder again deflated Hiarcs about 13.Nc3, which is tame. I have not had time to look at 13.N1d2 nor 13.Rd1.

However, 13.f4 is immeasurably complicated. Fritz began by evaluating the move as , and could not be budged from this opinion in spite of Shredder's negativity. At one point in the principal variation, Fritz evaluated its position at +0.75, while Shredder rated the same position at -0.65. If we want a comlex game where our combined analytical power might test GMAN, this might be the way to go. On the other hand, it might be the blunder that GMAN is hoping we'll make. It could be a gutsy way to play for the win, or it could be just plain foolish. I'll try to post some lines later.

Sep-30-06  twinlark: <Angus Canuck>

If you don't want to set up your own forum, I might be able to organise one for you to explore f4.

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: <Angus> Fascinating engine-vs-engine material there. Do you just set them up and let 'em at it, or do you nudge them occasionally? (I've tried both approaches, but only in fun - never to actually investigate something.)

Fritz 8 seems to consistently over-value White's position, here and for a few moves ahead. I think most of its evaluations are maybe half a pawn too high, eg it gives us +0.8 when +0.3 would seem more reasonable.

I assume this is simply the evaluation algorithms missing the subtle points a human can see. The engine sees white has more space, a solid castled position, no obvious weak points. Black gets points deducted for his hole-y kingside, his apparent weak pawn at d6, his (currently) uncastled state, and his overall cramp.

That's Fritz. But has <any> engine been configured to play (or even evaluate the strength of) a Hedgehog-type setup? I doubt it. Maybe, as you are apparently doing, adjusting the optimism parameters etc will help some...

Here's a link to a fascinating article by Steve Lopez on the topic of engines and 'intelligent mistakes' - I think he's right to say that comps don't play chess, they simulate playing chess. Which can be quite different. http://www.chessbase.com/workshop2....

Sep-30-06  monad: <Angus Canuck: >

What fun!

How do the engines solve the problem of 14. Qxd3 versus 14.cxd3?

Do they agree? And what length of time are we talking about?

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: This latest exchange between <RookFile> and <Thorsson> seems to me to get right at the heart of the matter. Read on for a summary of the really important choices facing us...

Thorsson: <RookFile: How are we going to win this game? ...you can more or less plan on GM Nickel to play these moves, in this order: 12...0-0 13...Nxd3 14.... e5 15..... Be6 transposing black's defense into the time honored Najdorf setup. In researching the available games played at the GM level, I believe that the following game is a model example of a line of play the world wants to follow:

M Golubev vs Epishin, 2003>

I said something similar before, except I prefer GM Lane's d4-d5 push, again as long as we avoid f4, which ruins our pawns.

I believe, however, that Arno will deviate from Epishin's play here and go 13...Bd7. He will want to tempt us into playing f4 before chopping on d3.

I hope that I'm proved wrong, but if he does play 13...Bd7, what are we going to do?

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: <ClassF> has noted that our game could still transpose into Svidler vs Epishin, 2002

It's a long shot, because in this game the Black knight didn't reach e5 until move 17, and went via c6 rather than d7.

But it's still a top-level game, won by White after playing a4-a5, Be3, and getting a knight to b6. So it is definitely worth looking at, even if we don't transpose.

Sep-30-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <kwgurge> You're right. Development of the Nb1 is our next big debate - after 12...O-O we could see a big voting tussle between 13.Nc3 and 13.N1d2.

RookFile argues that Black can head for a Najdorf-type position with moves like ...O-O, ...Nxd3, ...e5, ...Be6. By this logic, Nc3 seems stronger, covering d5 and e4.

Thorsson points out that ...Bd7 by Black would be more subtle. It has some queenside threats (c6, b5, a4), develops the Bc8 to allow ...Rc8, and tries to tempt us into a premature f4.

I think it's important to note that, even if AN plays RookFile's moves, we're still not in a 'real' Najdorf. There are similarities, but also vital differences.

One of these is that AN's Kan system gives us the luxury of choosing the best path for our Nb1. In all mainline open Sicilians it has to go to Nc3 early. In many positional-type Najdorf-esque games White later goes Nd1 or even Nc3-b1-d2, trying to get the knight onto better squares. We can get to the better squares in one shot by playing N1d2.

I haven't seen anything to persuade me that Nc3 is better, but I agree we'll probably have a fight on our hands persuading its longtime supporters.

I'll copy this to <JoeWms> forum, where I'm also hosting the debate about knight moves in general.

Sep-30-06  monad: I am getting confused without guidance by the exact move sequence.

<if he does play 13...Bd7, what are we going to do?>

Which sequence is that after 12.Be3?

Sep-30-06  briscola: Great posts guys...

Team WHITE has been all about smart moves and originality...

keeping with that tradition, I'm leaning to: 13.N1d2

Sep-30-06  RookFile: Ok, for the moment, let's say for the sake of argument the game continues 12.....0-0 13. Nc3 Bd7. No GM so far has played this, but maybe GM will innovate in this way.

It appears that 14. Bb6 is a reliable reply, first of all forcing the queen onto an uncomfortable square. Black probably replies 14....Qe8. Now 15. f4 Nxd3 16. cxd3

What we need from somebody is a plan that looks ok for black.

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: Here is a subjective - and somewhat pessimistic - evaluation of our position by <Monad>. More analysis can be found on his forum, with extra engine analysis.

And his domain (where you'll also find game lines with playable boards, and many other goodies): http://www.nickel.nohyphen.com/

Note: a couple of additions below in [square brackets] are mine - points I was unclear about. If I'm wrong, [apologies].

Monad:
Rightly or wrongly, I have noted the following about our position:

We have made some progress on the queenside, but we're doing nothing active on the kingside.

We've lost the chance to get control of the -d5-square and little prospect of winning it back. Playing through the game it is striking to see how Black homes in on control/possession of -d5-. [should this be e5 - ??]

The a5 pawn needs defending by pieces; at present both the Queen's Rook and the King's Knight are there to protect it.

Presumably the idea behind pushing the a-pawn up that far was to engage in a skirmish with the black b-pawn. If that was indeed the case, then we must leave b6 free for that pawn to travel over. This means no Bb6.

If we play Nc3, then we have both our b-pawn AND our c-pawn blocked.

Black's d-pawn may be a little weak, but the a- and g-pawns are enviable.

Are we after a material advantage at this stage? If so, what? Given the black pawn structure, we might attempt to eliminate Black's DSB, but I don't see how we could achieve that, now that the move 12.Bg5 has been nixed.

Maybe our first objective ought to be attacking the pawn on -d6-.

All in all I can't help feeling that Black has not only freed himself already, but has a fine position which is ready to attack as well as defend. I see no evidence of a 'bind' that we are supposed to have applied and, quite frankly, I am getting a little scared.

Junior's outlook at 20 ply differs from Rybka although the values between Junior lines are equally close. The sequence of expected replies is rather unhelpful.

As far as 12....Nxd3 is concerned, I suppose it is not unreasonable for Black to eliminate our LSB, seeing his present pawn structure, even if that means his leaving the d5 [again: e5 - ??] square. In addition it presents us with a difficult choice in how to take it: Queen or pawn. That decision could have far reaching consequences. I noticed Junior and Rybka have opposing ideas on this. [Monad ends]

If any Optimist wants to counter or even refute this assessment, please feel free to do so...

Sep-30-06  monad: <should this be e5 - ??>

'Course it should be.

Just testing if you were paying attention.

(Thanks Dom. )

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: <RookFile> On those ...Bd7 lines. Yes, if Arno plays 12...Bd7 at once then 13.Bb6 is good for us, driving the queen to b8 or c8.

But after 12...O-O 13.Nc3/d2 Bd7, I'm not so sure. If 14.Bb6 Qe8 is in some ways a good square for the queen. Our bishop has gone queenside, abandoning the threat of Bh6 that otherwise stops ...Qe8. And from e8 the black queen powers up the Bd7 - possible threats on c6/b5/a4 - while also providing some force down the e-file.

I'm just not sure that Bb6 is still good once Black has castled.

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: <Thorsson> discovers another CC game:

Thorsson: I've found another CC game (not on the Ultracorr CD): [Event "BdF MS-014"]
[Site "www.remoteschach.de"]
[Date "2004.05.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Bekemann, Uwe"]
[Black "Riemer, Wolfgang"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B42"]
[WhiteElo "2125"]
[BlackElo "2265"]
[PlyCount "60"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 e6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 a6 5. Bd3 Bc5 6. Nb3 Be7 7. Qg4 g6 8. Qe2 d6 9. O-O Nd7 10. a4 Ne5 11. a5 Nf6 12. Be3 O-O 13. Bb6 Qe8 14. Nc3 Bd7 15. Rfd1 Bc6 16. f4 Nxd3 17. Qxd3 Rc8 18. f5 gxf5 19. exf5 e5 20. Re1 Kh8 21. Rad1 Rg8 22. Rd2 Qf8 23. Qh3 Rg5 24. Ree2 Qg7 25. g3 Rh5 26. Qf1 Rg8 27. Rg2 Qh6 28. Qd3 Rh3 29. Be3 Qh5 30. Qe2 Bf3 0-1

Sep-30-06  azaris: Unfortunately, after 12...O-O 13.N1d2 comes 13...d5.
Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: Thank you, everyone. For the 2nd time in a row, we got it right. The move 12...O-O, as discussed here, has now been played.

We now move on to analyse our new topic, 13.N1d2

**MARKER DIAGRAM**

This is the position if we play 13.N1d2


click for larger view

Other moves are discussed on other forums. Check with <Twinlark>'s forum for details.

Sep-30-06
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  Domdaniel: Some quick starter points, which I'll update later.

A lot of debate this time will focus on where the Knight should go. Leading contenders are likely to be 13.N1d2, 13.Nc3, 13.f4 and 13.Bb6.

The ideas behind 13.N1d2 have been pointed out a little way back, so I won't repeat them just now. Basically, it seems a more flexible and subtler way of bringing out the knight, with future options of kingside and queenside, eg Nc4 and Nf3.

But I see that <Azaris> says that, after 12...0-0 13.N1d2 d5 is playable and even strong. This will need to be looked at, as we can't permit such a freeing move at this point. I'm not sure it is playable, though - we shall see...

Sep-30-06  monad: Junior after 6 1/2 hours, 22 ply

to use as a starting point.

<line 5 = (0.37): 13.N1d2 Bd7 14.f4 Nxd3 15.cxd3 d5 16.e5 >

The effect of 15.cxd3 versus 15.Qxd3 will have to come into it soon.

Sep-30-06
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  kwgurge: The herd is moving. It will be Nc3 regardless of any subsequent analysis or postings.
Sep-30-06  RookFile: N1d2 is not totally flexible. It's true that this knight can hop into b6 to control d5, or go to f3. Problem is: once the knight leaves d2, you lose control over e4. By way of contrast, the knight on c3 controls e5 and d5 right where it is.

What does this mean? It means that when we play 13. Nc3, and he replies ...Nxd3, we can reply 14. cxd3.

Remember the criticism of 3. d4? it was that we were trading a central pawn for a wing pawn, and black had a central pawn majority. With 14. cxd3, we rectify that problem and pave the way for a CENTRAL pawn advance - d4! - of our own, since the c3 Knight so nicely controls e4.

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