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Feb-10-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <mworld> Being pounded into the ground certainly qualifies as a teaching method. But I prefer to avoid corporal punishment, especially the self-inflicted variety. I know, I know. This may be why I'm not really any good at anything. No discipline, no rigour, no appetite for punishment. Insufficient masochism. Maybe it's possible to learn by imitation. But how does one imitate a phone? By randomly emitting loud beeping noises and encouraging people to shout at you? I think Botvinnik tried that in one of his infamous 'training matches'.  |  
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Feb-10-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <Annie> We must face the appalling truth here. The texts which you cherish as 'classic' SF are the ones that wouldn't have impressed me even if I'd read them at an impressionable age (which was in the 1970s and lasted maybe three weeks). The books that *did* impress me -- Dick, Ballard, some Delany, Aldiss's 'Barefoot in the Head' -- strike you as decadent, druggy, over-elaborate, inconsistent, wilfully obscure and singularly unenlightening. Bit like me, rilly.
  As for Pynchon, Burroughs, Dick, and their recurring fascination with paranoia -- Bill Hartston (begetter of the term 'frogspawn') wrote somewhere that chess may be the only human activity where paranoia confers a distinct advantage. Of course, my/your view of chess openings chimes perfectly with our respective notions of science fiction. Otherwise, you're right.
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| Feb-11-12 |    | mworld: You make a good point. So I managed to figure out how to dumb it down enough so I could luckout on a win.  [Event "?"]
 
[Site "?"]
 
[Date "Feb 10, 2012"]
 
[Round "?"]
 
[White "M"]
 
[Black "Stockfish dumbed down"]
 
[Result "1-0"]
  1. e4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Bd3 Be7 6. Ne5 Bd6 7. Qe2 Bb4+ 8.
c3 Be7 9. O-O Nc6 10. f4 Bd7 11. h3 g6 12. Nd2 Nh5 13. Kh2 Rc8 14. b3 Nxe5 15.
fxe5 Bh4 16. Rf3 Rg8 17. Nf1 c5 18. dxc5 Rxc5 19. Ba3 Rxc3 20. Bb5 Rxf3 21.
Bxd7+ Qxd7 22. Qxf3 Qf5 23. Qxd5 Qd7 24. Qe4 Bf2 25. g4 Bd4 26. Rc1 a6 27. gxh5
gxh5 28. Ne3 Bb6 29. Nd5 Rg6 30. Nf6+ Rxf6 31. exf6+ Kd8 32. Qe7+ Qxe7 33.
fxe7+ Kd7 34. Rc8 Kxc8 35. e8=Q+ Kc7 36. Qe5+ Kc8 37. Qe8+ Kc7 38. Qxf7+ Kb8
39. Kg2 h4 40. Kf3 Ka7 41. Ke4 Bd8 42. Kd5 Bb6 43. Bd6 a5 44. a4 h6 45. Ke6 h5
46. Kd7 Ka6 47. Kc8 Bc7 48. Qc4+ Ka7 49. Qc5+ Bb6 50. Qd5 Bg1 51. Qxb7#
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Feb-11-12
   |    | Annie K.: <G> yes dear... spoils the effect a bit that you already admitted you liked it. :p Here's another <how to lose horribly in the French> - especially for you! ;) [Event "FICS rated blitz game"]
 
[Date "2012.02.11"]
 
[White "AnnieK"]
 
[Black "NN"]
 
[WhiteElo "1505"]
 
[BlackElo "1627"]
 
[TimeControl "600+0"]
 
[Mode "ICS"]
 
[Result "1-0"]
  1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Nc6 5. Nf3 a6 6. a3 cxd4 7. cxd4 Qb6 8. Bd3
Bd7 9. Bc2 Rc8 10. O-O Nge7 11. Nc3 Nf5 12. Bxf5 exf5 13. Na4 Qb5 14. b4
Be7 15. Nc3 Qb6 16. Nxd5 Qd8 17. Nxe7 Qxe7 18. Bg5 f6 19. exf6 gxf6 20. Re1
Be6 21. Bh4 Rd8 22. Qe2 Kf7 23. Rad1 Rd5 24. Ne5+ Nxe5 25. dxe5 Rxe5 26. Qh5+ Kg7 27. Rxe5 Rd8 (Black resigns) 1-0  |  
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Feb-11-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <Annie> There's liking, and there's *being impressed by*. I actually like quite a lot of people, things, books, artworks, songs, chessgames, usw. But I'm hard to impress.  |  
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| Feb-11-12 |    | hms123: <Dom>  I'm hard to impress, but I am nonetheless.  Sorta poetic, innit? |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <hms> But *of course* you're nonetheless. Now, if only Nunn (or Nun) had played, oh, Ferdinand de Lesseps or somebody called Dilessa ... we might have a game on our hands. Or not.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: Uh, has anyone been at the umbrage? I thought I'd take some - just for a change, y'understand - and there it was, gone. Already taken. Meanwhile, the narrative continues ... I played two more FIDE-rated chess games yesterday, in the league team tournament thing. First up was a 1480-ish guy who'd actually beaten me a couple of months ago, by playing the Exchange variation of the French and tripping me up when I over-reached trying to win a drawn ending. No such problems this time: another French, 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 5.Nf3 Ne7 6.a3 Ba5, transposing into the Swarm. A few moves later he played b4, I played ...Nc6xb4, and that shoulda been that ... though he tried sacking a couple of pieces for a not-quite mating attack. I ran my King from h7 to a7, and then mated him first. Revenge is ... time-consuming.
  Game two, White (I'd almost forgotten what to do) against one of those dangerous 2000-rated under-14-year olds. So I play a reverse Benoni, 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 c5 4.c4!? (I've tended to play 4.d4 here recently, but I'm bored with it: a Reverse Gruenfeld which usually transposes to a Catalan or Tarrasch). Around move 22 he thought he was 'winning' a queenside pawn. I thought I was playing a temporary positional pawn sac which would allow my bishops to dominate his knights. I was right. Dominance duly achieved, I had excellent winning chances. Then he played 32...Rf8, reaching this position ...
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... and offered me a draw. Which, for some reason, I accepted. Can't for the life of me see why: White is in charge after 33.Nh4. I'm vulnerable to strategic draw offers. I could feel my energy draining away, and I was pretty sure that his wasn't, though he had much more to worry about. I may not be a worrier in RL, but I worry at the chessboard. And if a draw offer comes out of the blue just when I've found a phantasm to worry about ... I sometimes grab it first and rue it later. A draw isn't a bad result, I suppose. Especially as I was White, with all the baggage that entails. But I enjoyed the opening ... I may go back to the 'real' Benoni, one of these days. After all, it's 33 years since a trouncing by Ray Keene made me switch to 'safer' d4 defences, like, um, the Dutch. Live slowly, learn slowly.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <mworld> I'm a big fan of dumbed-down engines. Very useful for practice games with new openings or old endings ... playing the brutes at full strength is just too dispiriting - I've heard that even GMs are put off, so what's in it for the rest of us? I used to have a cheapo 'Kasparov' brand chess engine, which used Ruffian. It made mistakes, sometimes even at max strength, but it had a whole range of settings keyed to Elo ratings. You picked an opponent anywhere from 1000 to 2400 rating, and off you went. I used it a lot before my 2006 'comeback' to tournament chess after a 16-year gap. Setting it around 2000, I systematically tried different openings. I was quite willing, at that point, to consider a whole new repertoire - so I tried 1.e4 and various gambits in the Sicilian, Scotch and Four Knights, and took a good look at the Dragon. It was worthwhile, even though I eventually reverted to something very like my old English/French/Dutch repertoire. What I found interesting about the gambits was that I could win easily at settings up to about 1800. But if the computer was any stronger, I struggled. While my Reti/French stuff was slower, it could cope with engine settings up to 2200. But I also forgot, in the process, a few things about the way humans play chess. Such as one-move cheapo traps, like the one I fell into in my very first tournament game. I thought my opponent was giving away a pawn because he was lost, which he was. But the pawn was poisoned, and cost me a piece - and eventually, half a point, as I could only draw.  I don't use that program anymore - I gave away the disc - but Fritz can be dumbed down in several ways. Sometimes I set it up to play really horribly, just because I feel like kicking something. Various writers suggest using engines for endgame practice. I watched a game yesterday which came down to king, bishop and knight vs bare king. The young guy with the pieces was systematically chasing the king into the wrong corner. Being from the post-literate post-book generation, he didn't know that the corner has to be the same colour as the bish. Painful to watch, and eventually drawn. Mind you, the watchers might have known which corner to head for, but actually executing the mate is another matter. I don't think I've ever had to play one out, though in theory I know how to do it.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: I've just noticed that my opponent in the second game - the one with the fortuitously convincing draw offer - was *born* in 1998: Ronan Magee I gave up playing chess ten years before he was born. I guess we both started again around the same time. He's improved a lot more than I have. But it's an odd feeling, drawing with somebody forty (!) years younger than oneself. Maybe I was the one who dodged a bullet. I may have had the better position, but could I trust myself not to ruin it? Such are the thoughts that drip slowly through the brain of the more venerable chessplayer, urging them to take a draw while it's going. Nurse, where's my medication?  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Annie K.: <Dom: <Uh, has anyone been at the umbrage? I thought I'd take some - just for a change, y'understand - and there it was, gone. Already taken.>> Was that the stuff in the umbrage stand by the door?  Well, we *have* been amusing ourselves by taking potshots at each other's favorite writers lately... :p  So, um, what were you considering taking umbrage about, anyhoo??  =) Oh, and I really think that, out of professional considerations,  you should at least insist on penumbrage, if you're gonna start with that sort of thing. ;)  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <A> Does penumbrage have a Pantel number? Is it that curiously dark version of 'burnt umber' known popularly as 'the brown nearest black'? That colour features in at least two of Brian Aldiss's sf books ... the trippier ones from the 60s, natch, like 'Barefoot in the Head'. Potshots? Moi? Pot and shots and different times, maybe, but *potshots*? Never. "We were looking right into Brainwashing House. You could see them all in there, injecting marijuana, catching diseases, and giggling." "My father leaned across to me and said 'You'll be in there, if you don't stop playing with yourself'."  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: I apologize, of course, if I put anyone's sacred cows in a hamburger. Sometimes you find yourself with a pair of demi-buns (or baps) and only some finely-ground holy of holies will fit between them. I admit that on occasion I do it with relish.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Annie K.: B..but what about the mustard?! |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: <... and offered me a draw. Which, for some reason, I accepted. Can't for the life of me see why: White is in charge after 33.Nh4.> Qe2 ain't bad either.  The reason you accepted is to improve your recent results with White.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: I'm trying to ketchup.  Lettuce prey. |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: Not to Poupon your efforts.   
 Hmmm.   Between the idea and the typing, that changed immensely.  It started out as pooh pooh and digested to Poupon.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <Ohio> You read my mind. Qe2 is what I was planning to play. But Nh4 was pointed out by one of those passing kibitzer types who see more than the players, and I thought it looked good. Fritz came up with a complex maneuver involving Qe2, Re8 and then Qe1! It took me a while to work out the implicit threats, and it's safe to say I wouldn't have played it OTB.  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <Annie> You read my mind. It *was* Colonel Mustard, in the conservatory with a lead pipe. No, not the kind one smokes stuff through, and prolly not what Holmes meant by a "three pipe problem".  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | Domdaniel: <memo to self> You read my mind. And why not, as much of it is just like yours? |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta0a... |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: <Fritz came up with a complex maneuver involving Qe2, Re8 and then Qe1! It took me a while to work out the implicit threats, and it's safe to say I wouldn't have played it OTB.> Ummm, oh yeah, that's what I had in mind.  You've peaked my curiosity so I'll have a look at Fritz too.... 34. Qe2  Qf6  35. Re8  g6   so far, so good.
  36. Qe1!  Maybe you were right to take the draw.  I'm about to ask for a hint to understand that move.   Okay, the hint is "Play your Queen to e1."  |  
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| Feb-12-12 |    | crawfb5: <I watched a game yesterday which came down to king, bishop and knight vs bare king. The young guy with the pieces was systematically chasing the king into the wrong corner. Being from the post-literate post-book generation, he didn't know that the corner has to be the same colour as the bish. Painful to watch, and eventually drawn. Mind you, the watchers might have known which corner to head for, but actually executing the mate is another matter. I don't think I've ever had to play one out, though in theory I know how to do it.> I've had it come up twice in OTB games; I lost one and held the draw in the other in mutual time pressure.  The draw won a match in a team tournament.  That was about 20 years ago, so I think it's always been a difficult ending for amateurs. Here's a video that outlines an easily-understood method: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWZ7...  |  
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Feb-12-12
   |    | OhioChessFan: I think I made a null move for each side and got the move numbers messed up.  Anyway, after 20 plies, Fritz has come up with a more humanish:
33. Qe2 Qf6  34. Re8  g6  36. Bxd7  Nxd7  37. Bd8
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| Feb-13-12 |    | frogbert: <I played two more FIDE-rated chess games yesterday, in the league team tournament thing> i did that league team tournament thing yesterday, on sunday. i posted my game of questionable quality on my player page, including some commentary. the more interesting bits, possibly, were about this end game what we were one half-move from reaching (luckily, from my perspective). i found the accuracy required to save this position most intriguing:   click for larger viewblack to move, btw.  |  
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