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Feb-26-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <frogbert> Nope, no subtle message there= I really need the help of "someone like dom"- and, arguably, <dom> is most like <dom>. I need an old guy who knows chess history to listen to a short audio passage in old-fashioned French in order to decipher a joke- a joke that depends on a deep understanding of both chess history and European idiom. If I wanted to pass a secret message to <dom>, I'd use my usual method. I would post it to him in cap-locks in the kibbutzer's cafe. |
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Feb-26-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Ohio> agreed, it's a <sense of humor> that not only defuses wrath, it also allows people with shockingly disparate world views (you and me for example) to enjoy each other's fellowship at CG.com. I believe the usual phrase is "mausclicken"? |
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| Feb-26-12 | | frogbert: so the relevant french audio clip is super-duper top secret with very constrained distribution rights, i take it. where did you find it? |
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| Feb-26-12 | | frogbert: btw, dom - after jfq mentioned one of your specialties, the *european idiom*, do you mind giving a brief intro to its history and characteristics, with emphasis on how it differs from, say, the *canadian idiom* and the *african idiom*? :o) |
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Feb-26-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <frogbert> well it's not secret at all if you know what it actually is. The thing is that I want to debut this information for the first time in Chess Documentary that might take me a year to complete. *European idiom* lol, well said- I meant the "idioms of various countries within Europe." Among English speakers at our website, <dom> is more familiar than anyone I'm aware of with a variety of idioms from different European countries, and also "across time." Like I said, the clip features the kind of French nobody uses anymore. |
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| Feb-26-12 | | hms123: <Jess>
Pardon my French.
Idiomatically yours,
Moi |
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| Feb-26-12 | | frogbert: btw, i guess young german speakers would say/write "mausklicks". :o) |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: Meissklikkeren. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> I am composing my emu in an alternate reality even as we speak. Or, as natives of the web call it, a 'different tab'. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Ohio> You're right, of course, about humor (absence of). But I'm also right about stupidity. (More liberal relativism ...) I suspect that statistics and surveys and such would anecdotally suggest that (1) stupid people have nothing that I would recognize as a sense of humour, though they may think they do and may guffaw/lol regularly at themselves, and (2) people without a sensa yuma are often dim. The categories overlap, is all I'm saying. |
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| Feb-27-12 | | hms123: <Dom> The categories do overlap. I remember reading long ago a comment by Asimov in the intro to his <Treasury of Humor> to the effect that "the more you knew the better your sense of humor." Knowledge is what makes jokes based on allusions work, but only if the listener knows enough to "get it". Most of your humor, for example, takes a good bit of knowledge. It keeps the brain moving. I knead my daily <dough>se of mental challenge. |
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| Feb-27-12 | | crawfb5: <I knead my daily <dough>se of mental challenge.> Is that the yeast common de-dom-inator? |
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| Feb-27-12 | | hms123: <crawfb5>
<Is that the yeast common de-dom-inator?> Yes, it is. I do what I can for the yeast among us. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <hms> Ah, I see. The missing element in your theory is <The implied bimbo>, a literary-theoretic construct which I invented some years ago, and later modified with assistance from <mack>. The original idea came from some Germans who created the notion of <the implied reader>, a sort of imaginary construct which every text creates as it goes along. I just took this a step further, by pointing out that certain texts -- especially those that use irony or 'clever' codes -- work only because the (smart) reader can picture themselves as being superior to the (not so smart) reader. This *dumkopflehrer* is the Implied Bimbo. So ... whenever you're pleased at 'getting' some joke, you're essentially feeling superior to some hypothetical idiot who wouldn't get it. The implied bimbo again: there are no gender requirements, incidentally. Stupidity suffices. One of the beauties of CG is the chance to observe implied bimbos in their natural habitat, with no implications. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Yeast limerick>
Like any pious young priest
I eat almost nothing but yeast
Because it is plain
We must all rise again
And I want to get started, at least.
(by WB Yeast) |
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| Feb-27-12 | | hms123: <Dom>
<The Implied Bimbo> I like it. It captures something otherwise ineffable. Are there ineffable bimbos? Their reputation is somewhat different. They are supposed to be quite effable. If only I could have risen to the occasion at the time. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <frogbt> - < do you mind giving a brief intro to its history and characteristics, with emphasis on how it differs from, say, the *canadian idiom* and the *african idiom*? > Keine problemo.
The Canadian idiom includes 'eh', along with a tendency to replace 't' with 'd' intervocalically: "Eh, a riding desk, eh". African idioms are trickier, as they break down into Maghrebi, Nilo-Semitic, Bantu, etc. But if most of the words and names start with 'm', that's a clue. European languages are basically Indo-European dialects with their own armies. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: <hms> Yes there are. In fact, *I* am an ineffable bimbo. Or so I've been told, though maybe not in exactly those words. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> not so. The "Canadian eh" only appears at the end of a sentence, never the beginning. This is not true in British idiom, however, as you well know. Perhaps the best known example comes from <Mick Jagger>: "Eh! You, get offa my cloud" |
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| Feb-27-12 | | mworld: The superiority to the hypothetical idiot can also evolve into pity/praise or just plain pity praise. btw, its a poor chap who's labeled as ineffable by the abbess. |
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Feb-27-12
 | | Domdaniel: It's a poor chap who knows his own effability.
Innaresting word, 'poor'. It can denote poverty ("Have you met The Poor? Charming people, but they're so terribly, well, *poor*..." - Robin Hood) or empathy ("you poor thing" ... which should not be taken literally to mean 'You are inanimate and have no wealth'). And then there are monks and nuns who take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. So why then, for example, are they called 'Poor Clares'? Shouldn't it be 'Poor, Chaste, Obedient Clares'? Speakina chastity - not Chazz Bono -- I see that asexuality is the new hip gender preference. They even have meetings, which seems pointless somehow. I don't know what I am, but I do know that I never want to meet anyone like me. |
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| Feb-27-12 | | frogbert: <Keine problemo.>
tsk, tsk. or was it supposed to allude to a mix of german/spanish/esperanto? :o) seriously, i wish i'd chosen to learn some french in my youth - or spanish. being "limited" to norwegian (+ other scandinavian languages), english and german stops me from reading a lot of authors in their native language. |
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| Feb-27-12 | | frogbert: <I see that asexuality is the new hip gender preference. They even have meetings, which seems pointless somehow.> that's sexual prejudice, dom! |
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Feb-28-12
 | | Domdaniel: <froskr bert ... Rana Bertravius> -- < i wish i'd chosen to learn some french in my youth > Latin is your only man.
With a modest amount of Latin, all those other languages fall into place. French is a Celtified Latin spoken through the nose. Spanish is Arabized Latin spoken very fast, and Portuguese is an archaic but rugged mixture of both. So is Catalan. Romanian is Latin with a Slavic undervest and a tendency to end words with 'u'. Italian, of course, is just Latin. An Etruscan tongue in a Roman mouth. |
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Feb-28-12
 | | Domdaniel: <keine problemo> Not Esperanto but Entropanto. We also use Interlingua and Volapuk. Frogspawn is like the zombie movie theatre of dead languages. For instance 'Volapuk' means 'I want to throw up' in Interlingua, which means 'between their tongues' in something else. Idioglossa, maybe. I forget: dim sum.
Desperandum ikke bekommen. |
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