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Dec-15-15
 | | moronovich: <Boomie: The chess analogy for "Silence" is the moves not played. Studying why certain moves were not played can lead to a greater understanding of the position. A personality is defined in part by all the actions not taken. We appreciate our friends in part because they avoid social gaffes.> I recall some player saying "that the most beautifull lines are those not played"... There´s a lot of thruth in it,and at the time it was some kind of eyeopener to me. |
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Dec-15-15
 | | Domdaniel: <We appreciate our friends in part because they avoid social gaffes> Or: we appreciate our friends precisely because they embrace those gaffes and refuse to be cowed... |
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Dec-15-15
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Annie>
<this would mean that we have purchased up to <<<180%>>> of all premium accounts?> Your maths are spot on, Annie. I did a little research on the internest and found the relevant equation- <S = K log W>
In a happy seasonal coincidence, the formula looks like this, written out long hand: <Santa = Kris Kringle Yule Log Wenceslas> Dom got his "O levels" in maths, so I believe he can confirm our theory. |
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Dec-15-15
| | Domdaniel: <Jess> That is *lewd*, ma'am. BTW, did you know that the word 'lewd' has the same root as 'laity' and 'lay' (as in 'lay preacher')? Sadly, I never did O-Levels. The Irish version was called the Leaving Cert, back in the dark ages when I did it. And they didn't call them the dark ages because it was dark, yanno? S = K log W ... entropy, innit? Mr Pynchon wrote a story on the subject, and Dr Boltzmann did the math. |
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Dec-15-15
| | Domdaniel: That old perv, Leonard Cohen, wrote this about <Santa = Kris Kringle Yule Log Wenceslas> ... S = K KY log W... "You were Marlon Brando
I was Steve McQueen
You were KY Jelly
I was Vaseline..." |
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Dec-15-15
| | jessicafischerqueen:
heh.. tempting fate a bit there mate? This time you have 922 pages to clean up if the BANHAMMER falls again. Yes in fact S = K log W is written on Boltzman's tombstone. Nobody believed him until after he was dead, sadly enough. Same for Cantor and Godel.
Vindicated by history, though. |
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| Dec-15-15 | | twinlark: <Domdaniel: So, what do we think of the Irish-Australian habit of gross personal abuse in a 'friendly' mode? Such as "How are yeh, yeh bastid, how's the bollixin family eh?" More delicate peoples take offense.>
Which just goes to show that it is the intent, the driving emotion, even the subconscious, rather than the words that constitutes most of meaningful human communication. The use and especially the abuse of transcripts of conversations, monitored or otherwise, has demonstrated quite graphically how words taken out of context of body language, vocal inflection and other communicators can be taken to mean the opposite of what was intended. Maybe the preoccupation of delicate and people with the form and shape of communication over its content and intent is probably a good working definition of "shallow". For such a good prescription might be to talk less, say more. Anyway, back to my cubbyhole. |
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Dec-15-15
| | jessicafischerqueen:
<Doggimus>
Your topic reminds me of a line from a fine rugby film <Benzol> told me about. One player calls a teammate a bastard, and the teammate takes offence. So the coach steps in to save the day, (putting the "transcript" in proper context) <ALL RIGHT WHICH ONE OF YOU <<<BASTARDS>>> CALLED THIS <<<BASTARD>>> A <<<BASTARD>>>>? This would appear to be a "win" all way round on the beauty of accurate linguistic context. |
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| Dec-15-15 | | twinlark: corrigendum: delete "and" from between "delicate" and "people" in my last post. |
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Dec-16-15
| | Domdaniel: <Or: we appreciate our friends precisely because they embrace those gaffes and refuse to be cowed...> Or; we appreciate our cows because they refuse to be gaffed... Or: we embrace our cows because they gaff our friends... usw |
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Dec-16-15
| | Domdaniel: <Boomie> I don't think the analogy holds, actually. In chess, unplayed moves are often of great importance - the combinations that can only be seen in the notes, etc. But can we say the same about language? Probably not. Unspoken words are more like a neurosis than a thrilling alternative. |
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Dec-16-15
 | | Richard Taylor: That formula of Boltzmann's is chiseled onto his grave. Brownowski who did the (albeit dubiously titled but good) documentary 'The Ascent of Man' gives a good discussion for 'the average person' about Boltzmann and science but also philosophy etc Bronowski was on the Manhattan project but as an observor at Hiroshima after the event...the net result was he switched to biology. But that is first where I heard of that formula.
Brownowski had a connection to the chess player Abrahams I think. And B. was also interested in (chess?) poetry (he wrote a book about Blake which I have and have read) and history and knew Graves and Laura Riding (and NZ's genius Len Lye q.v.) Sorry to butt in here after such a rel. long radio silence. Over and out for now but Merry Xmas in case not back before to all.... |
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Dec-16-15
| | Domdaniel: You too, Richard.
I didn't know about the link between Bronowski and Gerald Abrahams. He wrote some good books -- 'The Chess Mind', and a quirky general primer which was one of the first chess books I read. |
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| Dec-16-15 | | Boomie: <Domdaniel: I don't think the analogy holds> Analogies are never precisely correct. Ideally, they are shortcuts to a more profound destination. If language or gestures not used was more appropriate, then it would be similar to a favorable chess variation in the notes. |
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| Dec-16-15 | | twinlark: <But can we say the same about language? Probably not. Unspoken words are more like a neurosis than a thrilling alternative.> I'd like to think they are the meta-language that often channels the real meaning in a communication. Diplomats, politicians, clergy and other criminals perfect this as a dark art. Thai businessmen expect the unspoken to be understood in negotiations to prove they are not so rude as to put onto a person that s/he needs to have the obvious conclusion stated out loud and that the recipient is smart enough to know that what is unsaid is the critical endpoint of negotiations. Poets, playwrights, authors and writers attempt to perfect the light arts of packing as much meaning into mere words as is humanly possible. Shakespeare has much to answer for. The rest of us muddle through dealing with neuroses and thrilling alternatives alike. |
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Dec-17-15
| | Richard Taylor: << twinlark: <Domdaniel: So, what do we think of the Irish-Australian habit of gross personal abuse in a 'friendly' mode?
Such as "How are yeh, yeh bastid, how's the bollixin family eh?" More delicate peoples take offense.>
Which just goes to show that it is the intent, the driving emotion, even the subconscious, rather than the words that constitutes most of meaningful human communication.> >That aspect of language is called phatic communication in linguistics. A lot of our communication is through facial expressions, tone of voice, gestures and so on. Also it depends also on context and so on. I just saw part of your post so I don't know the whole issue here, but I think it is silly to make those kinds of comments as the Irish-Australian (putative) family: although mostly it is seen in the right light. It is best if the person is one person. In a group people have various interpretations of things you or they find amusing etc My son have a dialogue where we pretend to be other people and say things that we would never say to others, or try not to as the joke gets so automatic so to speak...but sometimes even the imagined situations get out of control. And on the internet we (mostly) cant see the faces or hear the voices so more misunderstandings can arise. |
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Dec-17-15
| | Richard Taylor: http://www.sjmann.supanet.com/Peopl... Abrahams is mentioned in here, after a bio of Bronowski there is a summary of his chess involvement. |
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Dec-17-15
| | Domdaniel: <Richard> Yes, the good old phatic ... though it also refers to anything that serves to keep the conversation going, such as, y'know, this... |
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Dec-18-15
| | Richard Taylor: Yes. Do you know <Dom> of the interesting Irish artist Patrick Ireland / Brian O'Dougherty. He is a conceptual artist but his art has a definite construct around the ideas that interest him. He kind of turned the tables on Duchamp by gulling him into allowing him to do a cardiogram or graph on the latter's heart. This meant that he devised a conceptual work (almost a 'found object' (Duchamp's heart!) which lived forever, where Duchamp had claimed that art in a museum 'died' so to speak. The NZ artist Julian Dashper did something clever also: he arranged to phone an Italian village he had been to and liked, but no one to answer. Now, I think someone did answer, but in anycase, because NZ is 'ahead' in time he was able to be perhaps the first artist-person to have a conceptual artwork, the phone ringing for several days, but ringing from the future! But "Ireland" has several personas which kind of fits with Barthes and others' ideas of multi-personas etc. He also likes the novels of Flann O'Brien. I've read his 'At Swim Two Birds' which is great, and O'Dougherty has also (coincidentally of course). I found a book about him and his art at my local library quite by chance. Of course Duchamp famously abandoned art for chess... |
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Dec-18-15
| | Richard Taylor: GM Nigel Short will be playing in the NZ Open (and 5 other GMs) in Jan 2nd 2016, that is in about 13 days or so. I'm in the same tourney. Last year I played a GM which surprised me, in round one. I had kind of prepared the Rubinstein for Leonard McLaren to play against IM Russell Dive who I thought he was likely to play, but I used it, having forgotten most of what I had read on it in one of Chandler's Gambit books on the English. More important for me was my attitude when I lost, I worked on the games I lost and also turned my attention to the next player, rather than collapsing as I did in 2011. So I managed 50% overall. |
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Dec-19-15
| | Domdaniel: <Richard> Yes, I'm a huge Duchamp fan: it's just a slight pity that his chess isn't more, well, Duchampian. But it's not easy to become a legend in two different fields. I've written about O'Doherty - as far as I know he has consigned the Ireland persona to history. Interesting man. |
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Dec-21-15
| | Richard Taylor: <Dom> Yes, chess is not art as such, although sometimes one can work on a kind of "intuitive" level. Some of Kasparov's great sacrifices I recall in the 80s were based both on calculation and intuition. Influenced by Tal and Alekhine but then he got lessons from Petrosian and Karpov et al! Karpov became his teacher. I see now how close Karpov and Fischer were in style and Karpov (and Smyslov who by the way looks when he was younger rather like Fischer at a similar age); in style they are closer than Fischer might admit or realise and in fact Karpov also played some great attacking games e.g. using the Keres attack and so on. Smyslov also a deep player and others, Rubinstein and Lasker, Tarrasch who realised the beauty of chess. Kramnik I believe takes and interest in art. Yes it is good to know he is still alive, he played chess I think also. The explanation of his consigning was when the killing and troubles were on and when the detente happened he changed back...interesting. This makes him a bit like Haacke another conceptual artist. He speaks well also (saw him on YouTube)... |
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Dec-21-15
| | Richard Taylor: Did you solve any of those mysterious Xmas problems? I don't even try as I never get anywhere with them. They baffle me completely. I often don't understand the explanations when the answers are given... But it's good for some! |
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Dec-21-15
| | Domdaniel: <Richard> Yeah, I recall that O'Doherty spoke about playing chess with Duchamp. I think he'd originally gone to the USA on a medical scholarship. I've solved some clues every year but this one... |
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Dec-22-15
| | Domdaniel: Proof that Yoda and Yahweh came from the same planet: <God's personal message to Jeremiah, "Attack you they will, overcome you they can't,"> |
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