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Apr-26-12
 | | WannaBe: Speaking of Teufel and Gott, here is a name y'all would enjoy: http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/... |
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| Apr-27-12 | | King Death: Thanks <OCF> for putting the link in there that I thought I had. Old age I guess. Stottlemyre had three 20 win seasons and probably his best one came on a below average team in 1965. What's funny is that the author plugs his 2.97 ERA. By that stat he should be in if Lefty Grove made it with his 3.06 career ERA. Of course Stottlemyre put up some good numbers when everything favored the pitcher and Grove did it when the parks mostly favored the hitter. I say that there's no way Stottlemyre should've been seriously considered. Not a long career, with a few good seasons and some pretty ordinary ones with decent ERAs on teams that were mostly average. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Right, "Angel Pagan" is one of the great names. |
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Apr-27-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Now that I reread the article, it occurs to me that he's not proposing Stottlemyre for the Hall of Fame, but that he would be a shoo-in had he pitched with any successful Yankees team. Which, if you look at his statistics with a poor team, is an arguable point. Of course, it's also true with just about any other above average pitcher throughout history. The author is b ringing up Stottlemyre because he is a professed lifelong Yankees fan since the Stottlemyre era--and, just possibly, because Stottlemyre is suffering from cancer. Hey, Sandy Koufax pitched one year more than Stottlemyre, and only won one more game. That's got to count for something, since absolute zero doesn't exist. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | King Death: <Phony Benoni> Awhile back I think that I mentioned something about of those old time Yankee pitchers that made it mainly because of the teams they played on and <playgroundplayer> yelled at me about it. Maybe it's time to try again. Waite Hoyt made The Hall with two 20 win seasons and some other good ones. He won 237 games in a much longer career than Stottlemyre. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... Herb Pennock had a similar career and got in too but his best years were later than Hoyt's who only had one good season after age 28. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... One pitcher from the early 1920s that might've made it was Carl Mays but there was an incident I'm pretty sure you know all about that probably kept him out. His best years were better than Stottlemyre or the pitchers above. http://www.baseball-reference.com/p... The Yankee teams that Pennock and Hoyt pitched on were a lot more successful than Stottlemyre's, they both had much longer careers but they didn't win a huge number of games more? This just makes Stottlemyre look better to me but I still don't think he belongs in Ctown. One of the arguments that I've seen is the number of wins that get a pitcher into The Hall for the most part. I remember when 300 was accepted as automatic and now 250 seems to be the point where a lot of folks think that somebody belongs with the 5 man rotations making it hard to even win that many unless you hang around until you're 65. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | playground player: <King Death> I don't remember "yelling" at you, but if I did, you must have deserved it. Somehow this discussion got started with a consideration of Mel Stottlemyre for the HOF, written by someone calling himself "Carl Kolchak." (I wonder if Tony Vincenzo edited it: <Night Stalker> alert). Yes, <King D>, Waite Hoyt and Herb Pennock pitched on much, much better Yankee teams than Mel Stottlemyre ever pitched on. I would even go so far as to say that Mel was among the best American League pitchers of his era--even if his win totals don't match up with the likes of Palmer, Cuellar, Hunter, and others who made it to the Hall of Fame. (Yes, I know Cuellar isn't in there.) Mel even delighted me by hitting a triple in a game I attended. In spite of the progress of statistical analysis, baseball remains--hooray!--very much a matter of opinion. If I had a vote, I'd vote Mickey Lolich into the Hall. He and Stottlemyre pitched in a pitching-rich ERA. I don't think we can say that of Hoyt and Pennock--certainly not to the same degree (late 1920s vs. late 1960s). But then I can remember the latter, but was not present for the former. So if I really did yell at you for an opinion about baseball, I offer my humble apologies. |
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Apr-27-12
| | WannaBe: Pitcher for tonights SD-SF game. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players... Too bad he isn't a regular hitter or computer science guy. |
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Apr-27-12
| | WannaBe: Good name for a Defensive End: http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/profi... |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Shams: <WannaBe> He's no Barkevious Mingo! |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Nor even a Bismack Biyombo.
Watching the Dodgers tonight, learning from Vin Scully: Jayson Werth is the grandson of Dick Schofield, and his mother was an Olympic sprinter. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Here's an excellent video of the baseball name song "van Lingle Mungo": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvv... |
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Apr-27-12
| | WannaBe: Gotta love those big-fingered gloves and the high leg kicks! |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Seems 250 wins will get a pitcher into the Hall of Fame as long as he doesn't have more than 160-170 losses. 250-220 won't cut it. John Smoltz will be an interesting test: 211 wins, but he was a closer for several years when he still could have been racking up wins. Sandy Koufax's lifetime record doesn't look all that outstanding. It's just that he was well short of great for his first years, and the Koufax we remember is really just 1962 through 1966, and 1962 is dubious. In his last four years his worst ERA was 2.04, and he "ate" 1200 innings. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Most of the players in the song played before my time. The only one I ever saw play was Johnny Antonelli, who I saw pitch several times for the Giants. I saw Early Wynn pitch on TV. His grandmother didn't play in any of the games I saw. |
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| Apr-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: More from Scully: Who are the two players who hit three home runs (total) in World Series game sevens? And...Davey Johnson not only made the final out of the 1969 Series, he was the last player to get a hit off Sandy Koufax. |
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Apr-28-12
| | WannaBe: Stanford spanked UCLA 7-2 at Jackie Robinson Stadium tonight. =( |
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| Apr-28-12 | | Travis Bickle: Dr Benoni, do you like Detroits picks so far? The Bears selected Shea McClellin a very athletic in between DE & Linebacker at 6' 3" 260 lbs. from Boise State. I think the Bears are hoping the kid can one day be Brian Urlacher's replacement. Their 2nd selection was Alshon Jeffery a big wideout 6'4" 230 lbs. (too heavy) from South Carolina. The Bears 3rd round pick was Brandon Hardin a huge Safety 6'3" 220 from Oregon State. We need some OL! |
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Apr-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: <Travis> The current regime has traditionally drafted the "Best Player Avaiable" rather than target specific needs. However, that was when every position on the Lions needed an upgrade, so it didn't much matter who you drafted. This year they went in specifically for secondary help, but weren't going to pass up a good pick even at a strong position. We got your OL in round one in Riley Reiff from Iowa. Not our biggest need, but there is some age along the front and new blood won't hurt. Going against tradition, the Lions waited until the second round to pick a wide receiver in Ryan Broyles from Oklahoma. Lots of skill, but he's coming off a torn ACL and may be a gamble. He'll try to distract some attention from Calvin Johnson and might be able to do returns as well. Round 3, they finally went for a cornerback: Dwight Bentley from Louisiana-Lafayette. At 5' 10" and 185 pounds he'll need to bulk up a bit for pros, but he can tackle and was impressive covering top receivers from good collegiate programs. Not a spectacular draft so far, but not a bust either. If Broyles stays healthy and Bentley can play, it could be a really good one. |
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| Apr-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: Here's an interesting first inning from 1952:
REDS 1ST: Hatton struck out; Adams flied out to left; Kluszewski
struck out; 0 R, 0 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Reds 0, Dodgers 0. DODGERS 1ST: Cox grounded out (third to first); Reese walked;
Snider homered [Reese scored]; Robinson doubled; Pafko walked;
Shuba singled to right [Pafko to second, Robinson scored];
BYERLY REPLACED BLACKWELL (PITCHING); Pafko was caught stealing
third (catcher to third) [Shuba to second]; Hodges walked;
Walker singled to right [Hodges to third, Shuba scored]; Van
Cuyk singled to left [Walker to second, Hodges scored]; Cox
singled to left [Van Cuyk to second, Walker scored]; Reese
singled to left [Cox to second, Van Cuyk scored]; WEHMEIER
REPLACED BYERLY (PITCHING); Snider walked [Cox to third, Reese
to second]; Robinson was hit by a pitch [Cox scored, Reese to
third, Snider to second]; Pafko singled to left [Robinson to
second, Snider scored, Reese scored]; SMITH REPLACED WEHMEIER
(PITCHING); Shuba walked [Robinson to third, Pafko to second];
Hodges walked [Robinson scored, Pafko to third, Shuba to
second]; Walker singled to right [Hodges to third, Shuba scored,
Pafko scored]; Van Cuyk singled to center [Walker to second,
Hodges scored]; Cox was hit by a pitch [Walker to third, Van
Cuyk to second]; Reese walked [Walker scored, Van Cuyk to third,
Cox to second]; Snider was called out on strikes; 15 R, 10 H, 0
E, 3 LOB. Reds 0, Dodgers 15.
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... |
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Apr-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: Dodger pitcher <Chris Van Cuyk> must have kept a framed picture of that boxscore on the wall, since it was probably his best game ever both batting- and pitching-wise: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/...
He was gone from the majors forever by mid-August. |
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| Apr-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: "Give me 15 runs to work with in the first inning and I'm untouchable!" |
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Apr-28-12
| | WannaBe: The Bruins defeated the 'Trees' today at Jackie Robinson Stadium, I am going to try and go to Berkeley to see the campus and catch a game in a few weeks... |
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Apr-28-12
| | WannaBe: Long Beach State is at UC Davis May 11-13, and UCLA will be at Cal May 18-20, gonna ty to catch one game at each locale... |
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| Apr-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: I grew up near Berkeley, but for the life of me I can't remember seeing the Cal baseball field. One of my classmates was an All-Pac-8 shortstop there, but couldn't advance beyond Double A later. College baseball is fun because the level of play is good, but you can see how hard the game is. Major leaguers make it look so easy much of the time. Plus you can hear all the chatter back and forth, which I remember as being pretty vicious. |
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| Apr-28-12 | | Jim Bartle: The Washington-LA game tonight has four sons of major leaguers playing (Gwynn, Lombardozzi, LaRoche and Hairston) and the grandson of another (Werth). I noticed this after being struck by the Dodgers appearing to have an all-time great outfield of Gwynn, Kemp and Ethier. Then I remembered the "Jr." |
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