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Jun-26-12
 | | WannaBe: 1. Yes, the runner can tag up.
2. If a player reaches into the stands, he can be interfered by fans, or AKA, the player is 'fair game'. Fans are not allowed to reach into the field of play (foul territory included, to interfere with a play. Yeah, right, the SOBs are usually kicked out of the game). 3. No, the fans can't hold him down, they can try to swat the ball out of the glove (if no runner on base). Otherwise, umpire can rule runner back to base. Fan(s) will be escorted out. |
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Jun-26-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Summarizing rules 2.00 (Definition of Interfence) and 3.16: Spectator interference occurs only when a spectator interferes with play after going on the field or reaching into the field of play. The ball is dead, and the umpire is allowed to make appropriate adjustments. The most usual case we see of this is a fan reaching out to snare a fair ball that has gone into foul territory, when normally a double is awarded. If the fan intentionally interferes with what would have been a catch of a fly ball, the batter is out and the ball is dead, but the umpire can still allow runners to advance. Remember the Bartman play? Let's say there was a runner on third with less than two out, and Bartman leaned out of the stands to catch the ball. The batter is out, but if in the umpire's judgment the runner would have scored had the catch been made he can be allowed to do so. Having the fielder reach and fall into the stands is a whole different matter. There is no spectator interference so now we get into rule 5.10: <"The ball becomes dead when the umpire calls "Time". The umpire-in-chief shall call "Time"--..."(f) When a fielder, after catching a fly ball, falls into a bench or stand ... As pertains to runners, the provisions of 7.04(c) shall prevail."> At 7.04(c), we have this comment:
"If a fielder, after having made a legal catch, should fall into a stand or among spectaors or into the dugout or any other out-of-play area while in possession of the ball after making a legal catch, or fall while in the dugout after making a legal catch, <the ball is dead and each runner shall advance one base, without liability to be put out, from his last legally touched base at the time the fielder fell into, or in, such out-of-play area.> Now, <WannaBe> brings up an interesting point: the fielder reaches into the stands and seems to legally catch the ball, but a spectator grabs the ball or swats it away before he can pull his glove out of the stands. I think the ruling would have to be "no catch" in this case. There is no spectator interference, and the definition of "Catch" in 2.00 states <"In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove he has complete control of the ball and that is release of of the ball is voluntary and intentional."> Doesn't sound very sporting, but the fielder indeed reaches into the stands at his own risk. |
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Jun-26-12
| | Phony Benoni: And here's another interesting thought. Bottom of the ninth, score tied with a runner on third and one out. Batter hits foul pop toward the stands. Fielder leans into the stands to make the catch, but is on the verge of losing his balance. As he catches the ball, the fans grab the player and drag him into the stands making very sure he holds on to the ball. By rule, the run scores--unless the fielder is smart enough to drop the ball. I hope that any intelligent umpiring crew would use their judgment in that situation and call the batter out with no advance. But it seems to be within the rules. |
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| Jun-26-12 | | Jim Bartle: With Wise's "catch" tonight, it looks like a fan grabbed the ball and stuck it in his glove. I'd never heard of the "all runners advance one base" rule, but it makes sense. |
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Jun-26-12
| | WannaBe: Baseball, ain't it grand?! Gotta love it. Watching LA-SF game. :-) |
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Jun-26-12
| | WannaBe: Tonight's telecast trivia: last year, Dodgers won both Cy Young & MVP, who was the last pair from the same team to win CY & MVP? I am gonna go with Orel H. & Kirk G. |
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Jun-26-12
| | WannaBe: sorry, the question was NL pair, and it was not Orel & Kirk... |
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| Jun-26-12 | | Jim Bartle: Switched over to SF-LA game. Great, but has Giants' announcers. No Vin Scully. Big news, though. The Giants actually scored a run off Kershaw. |
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| Jun-26-12 | | Jim Bartle: CY-MVP double: Didn't Detroit pull it off last year as well? It was the same player, but still... |
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| Jun-27-12 | | playground player: <Phony Benoni> I don't know about the Greek oral tradition of Homer's time, but in both the Norse and Welsh traditions, memorization was vastly more important than creativity--you had better get the poem right, or just shut up. First you had to get it down word-perfect--and in medieval Wales, the college of bards actually tested you (as they still do today)--and only then were you permitted to add your own touches to a poem or story. I often wonder whether we are, in our culture, really re-directing creativity or drying it up? I strongly suspect the latter: to me, it seems there aren't so many imaginative people as there used to be--and there never used to be too many! When I go to the movies and see the interminable string of previews, they all look like they're from the same movie. |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: "When I go to the movies and see the interminable string of previews, they all look like they're from the same movie." You can say that again.
You can say that again.
Years ago, Roger Ebert wondered where they found new titles. He said it seemed every possible title for an action movie had already been used. Meanwhile, interesting movies (which are definitely made) get buried. |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Here's video of Wise's non-catch last night: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?c... These mlb.com videos tend to change depending on when you watch, you may have to look a little bit. |
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| Jun-27-12 | | technical draw: What's wrong with this picture:
Pitcher: CC. Sabathia
Salary: $24,285,714
Catcher: Chris Stewart
Salary: $482,500
New York Yankees. |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: There may be 5 or 10 Sabathia-quality pitchers, while there are probably 50 or 60 Stewart-quality catchers. Plus Stewart is very young, and his salary should head upward if he plays well. |
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Jun-27-12
| | WannaBe: Has banyone ever seen a switch-hitter change 'side' in the middle of an at-bat? Or is that even allowed? How about if a lefty pitcher got hurt, and a righty comes in can the switch hitter change side? |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Sure, a batter can switch sides during an at-bat. Larry Walker did it in an All-Star game when facing Randy Johnson. What I read somewhere is that a pitcher must throw with the same hand through an at-bat. He can change from batter to batter, thoough. This came up when there was a switch-pitcher named Greg Harris. |
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Jun-27-12
| | Phony Benoni: Rule 8.01(f) comes in here:
"A pitcher must indicate visually to the umpire-in-chief, the batter, and any runners the hand with which he intends to pitch, which may be done by wearing his glove on the other hand while touching the pitcher's plate. the pitcher is not permitted to pitch with the other hand until the batter is retired, the batter becomes a runner, the inning ends, the batter is substituted for by a pinch-hitter or the pitcher incurs an injury. In the event a pitcher switches pitching hands during an at-bat because he has suffered an injury, the pitcher may not, for the remainder of the game, pitch with the hand from which he has switched. The pitcher shall not be given the opportunity to throw any preparatory pitches after switching pitching hand. Any change of pitching hands must be clearly indicated to the umpire-in-chief." I couldn't find any restrictions on the batter. It's a case where either pitcher or batter has to be restricted to avoid farcial situations, and the pitcher was probably chosen because "switch pitchers" are so rare. |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: Amazing that the rules of baseball even cover switch-pitching. Almost as amazing: Dodgers just came to SF for three games and didn't score a single run. Get well soon, Matt Kemp. |
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Jun-27-12
| | WannaBe: You guys are the best! =)
Okay, so on 4th down, with runners on 1st and 3rd, and facing a full-court press, do you select door 1, 2, or 3? |
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| Jun-27-12 | | Jim Bartle: You play a let. |
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Jun-28-12
| | WannaBe: <JB> You and I must have posted almost at the same time, because when I checked in, I did not see your post. This is the first time, that the Giants swept the Dodgers and posted 3 consecutive (8-0, 2-0, 3-0) shutouts. The last time it happened, Noah led the Israelites out of Egypt, and Moses led pairs of animal into the Ark. |
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Jun-28-12
| | WannaBe: <JB> I remember that all star game, and I figured, that since it's just an exhibition game, they can 'do things', like NBA regular season game. Never (really) knew, that a batter can change 'side' during an at-bat. |
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Jun-28-12
| | WannaBe: I don't know where else to stick it, so I figured here is as good as any. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQJE... |
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Jun-28-12
| | Phony Benoni: Frazier was always upset by little annoyances which Woody was too dumb (or too wise) to notice. Like having the board set up wrong. |
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| Jun-29-12 | | vonKrolock: <Phon> That's really puzzling... Brownson's "Chess Journal" for August, 1873 have no e-edition. Letters to 'near-guess' places like Cleveland and Dubuque get no immediate answer - so I'm yet in the dark about that J. N. Babson photo ... |
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