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| Jul-31-12 | | Jim Bartle: Just watched Michael Phelps come in second in the 200 Butterfly, even though he led the whole way and his body was ahead of the winner's at the end. Seems the butterfly, since both arms go up and back together, is susceptible to the fluke of where the arms are at the end. The Frenchman (sorry, no name) was at the point of arms outstretched, while Phelps had his arms at his side. The other choice for Phelps would have been to coast in and not take another stroke. But I think he tried that last time and it cost him the race as well. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Well, Phelps has had enough flukes go his way. Remember that one-hundredth of a second gold medal? He might have done better not to come back; there's no doubt he's lost his edge. And the team might be better without him. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | Jim Bartle: True. It just seems strange that in swimming the person who's actually ahead can come in second just because of the mechanics of the stroke. All I can think of about Phelps is that once again he's worked incredibly hard for four more years when he had nothing left to prove. These swimmers train harder than seems possible. |
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| Jul-31-12 | | hms123: <Jim Bartle> The same thing can happen in horse racing. When it is really close, the horse's noses change leads in time with the rhythm of the running of the two horses. It's just luck which nose crosses the line first. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | WannaBe: I wonder if it's 'legal' for a sprinter to touch/break the tape with their hand(s) instead of their chest. And would a more buxom gal have an advantage... |
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| Jul-31-12 | | Jim Bartle: There's no tape any more (too bad), but it's the head or torso that counts, I think. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | Phony Benoni: Torso, according to Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint... I think the "double Photocell" may refer to one on each side of the athlete. A hand might trip one cell, but not both. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | WannaBe: Potential no-hitter alert, Pit-Chi, A.J. Burnett for Pittsburgh. |
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Jul-31-12
 | | WannaBe: There goes the no-no... |
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Jul-31-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Since you seem to be interested, here is kibitz #10,000: Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1978 |
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Aug-01-12
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: There are still tapes sometimes in American meets, but even then they don't factor in anywhere when it comes to determining the winner :) |
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Aug-01-12
 | | WannaBe: Jose Canseco filed for bankruptcy in NV. |
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Aug-01-12
 | | WannaBe: Very funny article. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20... |
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Aug-01-12
 | | Phony Benoni: I imagine that the problem was not that they weren't giving 100% in the preliminary round. If that was the criterion for disqualification, would Michael Phelps have any medals at all? No, it was just that they were so blatant about it, and after being warned. A better way would have been to show up late blaming traffic or other problems, get forfeited, angrily appeal, then accept the final decision with good grace. The rules of competition need to be looked at here. If players can improve their chances for a gold medal by losing, why wouldn't they? And anyone who has ever rooted for a NFL or NBA team to lose to get a better draft pick can't really make the "noble" and "moral" argument either. Set it up so that prelimnary results count toward the final score, and throwing matches may not be such a good strategy. I can understand their action, but I don't know if it's a good idea for psychological reasons. First, deliberately tanking can instill a mindset of losing; it's not always easy to turn it back on. Secondly, by trying to exclude a superior team from the Finals, they are demonstrating a fear of the other team. Admitting a lack of confidence can't be a good attitude to have. |
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Aug-01-12
 | | WannaBe: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympi... |
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| Aug-01-12 | | Jim Bartle: In the badminton cases, officials said the pairs were clearly hoping to win in order to get a lower seeding, since they thought that would give them an easier opponent in the next round. But the rules are also at fault, as you say, PB. They shouldn't create any situation where losing is beneficial. (Playing intentional ties in the last game of a preliminary round of the World Cup when it meant both teams would advance. That problem's been solved.) In the NBA there are cases where losing may seem to be the thing to do, and not just for draft position. (And the lottery took away a lot of the incentive there, since worst record doesn't autormatically get the first pick.) What can happen, for example, is that the team with the #3 record is considered much better than the #2 team, for whatever reason. Since #7 plays #2 and #6 plays #3, that creates an incentive to try to end up with the #7 spot rather than #6. |
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Aug-01-12
 | | WannaBe: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8... Bring back Co-Ed-Beer Softball!!!
CSI Box Score, No idea, the only Doyle I knew, was Alexander, the only Mann I knew, was Manfred, and James Thrope, and Toney. I have to get the answer at the bottom of the article. |
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| Aug-01-12 | | Jim Bartle: CSI Box Score: Merkle gives me the era, and I see Thorpe on the other team, so that's probably Jim, an Olympic hero. Otherwise, one team had a no-hitter, the other a two-hitter. That's got to be pretty rare. |
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Aug-02-12
 | | Phony Benoni: As soon as I saw "Thorpe", I knew it just about had to be this game: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... One book I read to pieces was "My Greatest Day in Baseball", in which players recounted their most memorable games. James "Hippo" Vaughn described this one. In the 10th, after Kopf got the first hit, he worked his way over to third base with two outs. Thorpe hit a weak dribbler down the third base line. Vaughn fielded it, but knew he had no chance to get Thorpe at first and shoveled it home instead. The ball got to the plate in time, but the catcher was so surprised by the play that he dropped it. The run scored, and that was that. |
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| Aug-02-12 | | Jim Bartle: Did Vaughn call it a walk-off dribbler? And I guess Hippo was actually a decent fielder. |
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Aug-02-12
 | | Phony Benoni: No walk-off; it was the top of the inning. |
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| Aug-02-12 | | Jim Bartle: The Dodgers have cut Bobby Abreu. I guess he just can't play the outfield any more. This could be the end of a very good career, though maybe he could catch on as a DH in the American League or a pinch-hitter for a contender. |
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Aug-02-12
 | | WannaBe: <Jim Bartle> He was with Angels earlier this year before LAA let him go and LAD picked him up. |
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Aug-02-12
 | | WannaBe: Unbelievable, Cy Young is pitching for the Mets against the Giants (B. Zito) later. |
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Aug-02-12
 | | WannaBe: Sour grape? Sore losers? Conspiracy theory?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/olympi... |
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