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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> Before you waste too much time on this... I'm afraid you took back an old analysis, we are at move 28 and our "enemy" exchanged rooks on f7... |
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| May-07-07 | | Zebra: I also like the idea of ...a5 (so far). I am much less keen on taking on d5 and giving them a bishop pair on top of our other problems. |
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| May-07-07 | | mckmac: <Marco> Ah sorry.It's 4.25 AM here.Think I'll get some much needed sleep before posting again. :) |
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May-07-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Marco> 28...Bf3 29.Rg1 and here if we take 29...Bxh5, white has 30.Bd4 g6 31.Nxe7 Qxe7 32.Qh6 and Qxh5. Hmm, 30...Bf8, perhaps? Or if that doesn't work as well, what do we play instead of Bxh5? |
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May-07-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Aargh, no, I am blind as well... 30...Bf8 31.Nf6, elementary, Watson. So, back to the question, 29...? |
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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: Just toying with the board, trying to support 28...Bf3: 28...Bf3 29.Rf1 <29.Re1 still to be examined> 29...Bxh5 30.Nxe7+ <alternatives to be examined> 30...Qxe7 31.Bg5 [31.Qd5? Qxe3+ 32.Kb1 Qe2 33.Qf5 Rc7 ] 31...Qc7
32.Re1 Qc8 33.Re7 Rc7 34.Qe3 [34.Qxd6? Rxc2+ 35.Kb1 Rxb2+ 36.Kxb2 Qc3+ 37.Kb1 Bg6+ (or 37...Qxb3+ might be even better) 38.Qxg6 hxg6 39.Bxf7+ Kf8 40.Bxg6 Qc8 41.Re8+ Qxe8 42.Bxe8 Kxe8 =] 34...Rxe7 35.Qxe7 Bg6 36.Bxf7+ Bxf7 37.Qxd6 a5 we have the better endgame |
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| May-07-07 | | mckmac: <Team> Is 28...a5 29.Ba4 b3?! worth a look? |
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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: Sorry I posted before seeing your other comments... anyway 28...Bf3 29.Rg1! Bxh5 30.Bd4 Bg6 31.Nf4 d5 32.Bxd5 [32...Rxc2+?? 33.Qxc2 Bxc2 34.Rxg7+ Kf8 35.Ne6#] 32...Rd6 33.Bc5 Rxd5 34.Qxd5 Qc8  click for larger viewe might resist, an exchange down as usual but two passed pawns |
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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> 4.25am? You must be crazy, go to sleep! |
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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> Forget about it: 28...Bf3 29.Rg1 Bxh5? 30.Bd4 Bg6 (or g6) 31.Re1 and we just lose a piece! |
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| May-07-07 | | Marco65: <Team> Last post before going to sleep. 28...a5 29.Rf1! Bxd5 30.Bxd5 Bf6 31.Bd4
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seems bad for us.
On the other hand I agree with <Zebra> that we should avoid losing the bishop pair, besides all other problems. 28...Bxd5 makes the endgame unplayable to us, if after gaining the exchange they are able to swap the DSBs and the queens the resulting R vs N endgame is hopeless. I think the pin on the knight must be broken asap, and as in the case of 28...a5 one move is already too much! I'm going to propose 28...Kh8 |
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May-07-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Ok, a5 probably out of the question. But 28...Kh8? 29.Ba4 B(somewhere) 30.Nxb4 and we simply lose. I was thinking of 28...Rc8, but this has to be investigated further. How about 28...Bh4? It's a trick, if white is careless with 29.Ba4, then 29...Bxd5! But, 29.Rf1 Qe5, we give up 2 pawns to reach the following endgame, after 30.Nxb4 Rc7 31.Nxa6 Re7 32.Rxf7 Rxf7 33.Bxf7 Kxf7:  click for larger viewDoesn't seem so bad. Any takers on this one? Also, 28...Bd8 might result in similar lines. Which one is better? |
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May-07-07
 | | TheAlchemist: I'm actually that desperate that I'd say we should look at almost every legal move that makes even the slightest sense. Who knows what we may find... |
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| May-07-07 | | mckmac: <Team> I resign again and I resign for good.I joined a ten-man game that was properly organised - not a 2-3 man game with a walkabout arbiter.No action has been undertaken-that I am aware of-to change anything.Good Luck. |
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| May-08-07 | | Marco65: <mckmac> No comment <TheAlchemist> I don't see 28...Kh8 as bad, after 29.Ba4 we may play a5, and there is always our LSB to protect Rc6 when the knight leaves. But I agree it needs more analysis to be safe |
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May-08-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <Marco> The problem with 28...Kh8 29.Ba4 a5 is 30.Bxc6 Qxc6 and 31.Nxe7. If anything, we would need a better 29th move, perhaps moving the e7-bishop away. |
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| May-08-07 | | Marco65: <TheAlchemist> Wooops! Sorry |
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| May-08-07 | | mckmac: <Marco65> <TheAlchemist> : I fully realise that I am letting you both (and <Zebra> and <chessmoron>) down in a personal way.I do not make decisions of this kind lightly.Also,<brankat> is back and his return casts my resignation into a dubious and cowardly light.However,my point still stands.There is no football team in the world playing on with five men and acting like nothing has happened. |
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| May-08-07 | | Marco65: So the variations after 28...Kh8 might be as follows: A) 29.Ba4 and now we can choose between:
A1) 29...Bd8 30.Nxb4 a5 31.Nxc6 Bxc6
32.Bxc6 Qxc6
 click for larger viewA2) 29...Bxd5 30.Qxd5 Ne5 31.Bf4 Qc8 32.Bxc6 [32.Bxe5? Rc5] 32...Nxc6 33.Bxd6 Bf6
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 click for larger viewWe are "less lost" than in other variations imho |
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| May-08-07 | | Zebra: <marco> Interesting. I am tied up this afternoon but will try and get back with a closer look this evening. I agree that unpinning is essential. I am also worried though about white piling up major pieces on the f-file, especially after Kh8. |
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May-08-07
 | | TheAlchemist: Guys, I've just been invited to my friend's, so I'll be going out later and won't be around to post the move, unless we do so early (at about 2PM). Would anyone like to post it for me? Also, we don't seem to be unanimous this time, what exactly IS our move anyway? <marco> seems to favor Kh8, <zebra> a5 or Kh8 (?), <chessmoron> Bxd5, while I was for Bh4 last time round. I could switch to Kh8 if needed, I'm not lobbying for my choice :-) |
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| May-08-07 | | chessmoron: I think we need another timeout. I am really upset about Kh8. |
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| May-08-07 | | chessmoron: <Marco65> The first 2 diagrams--are you sure that we are going to survive without our rook? I just do not get why you want to them skewer our rook and queen for. |
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May-08-07
 | | TheAlchemist: <chessmoron> Something doesn't seem right about Kh8 to me too, I don't know... A timeout wouldn't be a bad idea either. It will be our last one, but I think it's worth it. |
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| May-08-07 | | chessmoron: We still have 4 hours and 20 minutes to go so please guys have a deeper look. |
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