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   WCC Editing Project has kibitzed 3286 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jun-07-15 Biographer Bistro (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <zanzibar: Since I'm an adviser to editors, rather than an editor, I'm unfamiliar with what exactly editors can do.> I want to bring this post to your attention again: Biographer Bistro (kibitz #10966) It explains what editors can do and what not.
 
   May-31-15 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <chessgames.com> Maybe you overlooked this post Biographer Bistro (kibitz #11028) , since the Bistro has become rather fast-paced. An answer would be interesting to several people.
 
   May-29-15 WCC Editing Project chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Chessical> Thank you very much for your contribution(s)! We hope that you will support us in the future, also. For sure, you have helped us quite a lot already. The draft in question is already finished and was send away, though. It is still a valuable source and
 
   Apr-01-15 Moscow (1925) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Capablanca> on his experience at <Moscow 1925>: <"Although very philosophical, very observant and completely dispassionate in my judgment about everything concerning chess and its great exponents, I was nonetheless <<<unable to ...
 
   Mar-08-15 Tabanus chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: Ribli - Torre Candidates Quarterfinal (1983) Audiovisual aid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8G...
 
   Mar-08-15 Alekhine - Bogoljubov World Championship Match (1929) (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <beatgiant> In case you want to read further on this topic, I have prepared a sourced timeline that summarizes the <Alekhine-Capablanca> rematch negotiations from 26 Feb 1929 - March 1935: Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1934 ARCHIVE
 
   Jan-29-15 suenteus po 147 chessforum (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <One Third of the original "Big Three"> I beg your pardon! I'm on vacation in Canada, and I just now saw your post in the WCC forum. By "we" I meant the cg.com biographers, not the WCC project. All of the research compiled for additions to your intro was done by ...
 
   Nov-23-14 R Fuchs vs Tal, 1969 (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <MC Scarlett> If so, very very quietly...
 
   Nov-19-14 Alexander Alekhine (replies)
 
WCC Editing Project: <Karpova> Thanks for the correction! That sum makes more sense now in conjunction with the report on the organizers' losses. Good heavens- they can't have made much on ticket sales.
 
   Nov-17-14 E Walther vs Tal, 1966
 
WCC Editing Project: Queen trap Trick or Treat- this game was played on Halloween, 1966.
 
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Aug-23-13  Karpova: <OHC>

I fully agree with you!

I would venture to say that the whole article on Game Collection: WCC: Tal-Botvinnik Rematch 1961 as it is now, can be scrapped completely.

The first sentence you quote strikes me as especially devoid of content and should be deleted.

The second one is a mere speculation containg even poor wording.

Larry Parr should not be quoted, as we want a serious chess history page.

Here are some snippets from Tal, Mikhail 'The Life and Games of Mikhail Tal', 2007, London, UK

Page 169: <One disagreeable event, which is true, came after the finish of the tournament, was a recurrence of kidney colic in Moscow, just before the flight to Prague. At first it was bearable but I returned from Prague under medical supervision after lying there in hospital for several days. From Prague they even sent their medical diagnosis to Moscow, whereupon our Chess Federation began considering the question of deferring the match. I was asked to send a letter to the President of FIDE with preliminary evidence from a doctor commissioned by my opponent. To me this all seemed to be very complicated and rather insulting, and I preferred to play. Besides, my participation in the first match had itself given me enormous satisfaction, and I was even waiting impatiently for the second encounter.> (the tournament he is referring to was Stockholm 1961)

Page 170: <The controllers were our charming old friends Stahlberg and Golombek, while Euwe also arrived for the start.> This page can also be quoted for his work with Alexander Koblents during the match.

Page 175: <Seriously speaking, I was quite unprepared for the change which had taken place in Botvinnik. He arrived for the 1961 match extremely self-disciplined and aggressive, readily going in for a stormy position if it looked favourable for him, which he had not done in 1960.>

Aug-23-13  Big Bio: This fleshing out and expansion of the novella "The Complete History of the World", eliminating all the irrelevant references and focusing on core events, ie World Championship matches, is awesome.

Please maintain the rage.

Aug-23-13  meta meta: Hello, I'm <meta meta> and I'm looking for additional <meta collections>. What occurs to you on this?
Aug-24-13  Boomie: ->

Game Collection: WCC: Steinitz-Chigorin Return Match 1892

Needs to be filled out with the match conditions and more purple prose of the <Ohio> persuasion. I'm guessing more commas are needed.

Match conditions should probably be included in all the collections.

Aug-24-13  Boomie: <
Needs to be filled out with the match conditions and more purple prose of the <Ohio> persuasion. I'm guessing more commas are needed.

Match conditions should probably be included in all the collections.>

Oops. Just noticed that a lot of them haven't been "done" yet. Never mind then.

Aug-24-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Tim> it will take a year to do them all properly, minimum.

In the mean time, please let me know that you actually read our profile?

From our profile:

<STANDARDIZATION TEMPLATE

<1. How did the Match come about?

2. <<<What were the conditions for the Match?>>> The stakes, the number of games, the rules, and this could also include information about the backers, the venue, the referees, and so on.

3. What happened at the Match?>>

Aug-24-13
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  OhioChessFan: Go Teem!

http://www.sportsgrid.com/high-scho...

Aug-24-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: lol <OhioEditingFan> you are trying to edit the entire internets!

Well they are lucky to have you.

Aug-24-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: Re: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Schlechter 1910

Match conditions

From <Schlechter> biographer Warren Goldman:

<"...conditions governing the truncated contest [1910] were never published as so far as the author has been able to determine [as of 1994]"

"The <<<Deutsche Schachzeitung>>> declared that 'it was left to a netrual decision as to whether one or two games should constitute winning majority.' The magazine later confirmed that a simple majority was required but stated that the referee would decide the title in the event of a draw."

"<<<Deutsches Wochenschach>>> put the matter thusly: the victor would be the one who scored the majority of the games, and if necessary the referee would decide the title.">

--Carl Schlechter! Life and Times of the Austrian Chess Wizard

Warren Goldman
Caissa Editions, 1994
p. 400-401

Aug-24-13  Big Bio: Fantastic project. Wish I could help, but there seems to be a great team at work here.

Just wondering though, why wait till all the edits are complete before sending them on? Can't you vote on an edit for a match being complete and send that on to Daniel?

Aug-24-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Big Bio> No.
Aug-25-13  Big Bio: Oops. (read your message at the pound). Sorry about that.
Aug-25-13  Big Bio: It wasn't clear to me when I read that earlier that it had to all go in one big file. My bad.
Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: <karpova: I would venture to say that the whole article on Game Collection: WCC: Tal-Botvinnik Rematch 1961 as it is now, can be scrapped completely.>

I was trying to be polite, very tough for me, and gently hint as much, but I agree.

Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: Game Collection: WCC : Steinitz-Zukertort 1886

<Born in Prague, Wilhelm Steinitz was regarded as the best player in the world ever since his victory over Adolf Anderssen in their 1866 match.1 >

I think it was before that. In any case, surely there's a better source than Wiki.

<In 1883, he won the international tournament in London, defeating nearly every leading player in the world.>

I don't like that construction. It just seems clunky. Maybe list the leading players he beat?

<In 1886 these two great chess minds sat down to play what is now regarded by most chess historians as the first official World Chess Championship. >

This demands a footnote. Yes, there is no doubt as to its truthfulness, but it needs to be cited. Kaspy's work would be a good source methinks.

Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: <After such a commanding performance, Zukertort was considered by many to be the unofficial World Champion.2>

Again, surely there's a better source than Wiki.

Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: Game Collection: WCC: Steinitz-Chigorin Return Match 1892

<Steinitz vs Chigorin 1892

Havana

In 1892, Wilhelm Steinitz defended his title against his old rival, Mikhail Chigorin. Just as in the first Steinitz-Chigorin match, this contest took place in Havana, Cuba--and once again, Steinitz emerged triumphant.>

Wordy. It takes 15 words to affirm what the header states in one word-that it was contested in Havana. The second clause takes 6 words to affirm what we later find out-Steinitz won. I think the entire sentence can be deleted.

<And so, after 23 games, Steinitz won his fourth World Championship match, by a score of +10 -8 =5>

I don't like the "And so" at all. I think it can be deleted.

Aug-25-13  Karpova: Winter's new feature article <Lasker on the 1921 World Championship Match> will be a useful source, no doubt: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: "The entire sentence" I think can be deleted was <Just as in the first Steinitz-Chigorin match, this contest took place in Havana, Cuba--and once again, Steinitz emerged triumphant>
Aug-25-13  Karpova: On Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Schlechter 1910

Page 95 of the 1910 'Wiener Schachzeitung': <Der deutsche Vorkämpfer hat seinen Weltmeisterschaftstitel gerettet. Jeder gewann eine Partie, acht Partien wurden Remis und so endete der Kampf unentschieden. Schlechter hat in dem Kampf bestätigt, daß er zu den ersten Meistern der Welt gehört. Lauter Beifall erscholl, als das Resultat verkündet wurde.>

(The German champion/spearhead saved his title of World Champion. Both won a game, eight games were drawn and so the fight ended drawn. Schlechter proved in the fight/struggle that he belongs to the first masters in the world. Acclamation rang out as the result was announced.)

Aug-25-13
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  OhioChessFan: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Steinitz Return Match 1896

<Come November, the two great rivals met in Moscow.>

"Come November" strikes me as far too colloquial.

<Four weeks later, Steinitz's mind went, and he was sent to a psychiatric clinic. He was soon found to be hopelessly mad. 1 >

There's got to be a better term than "mind went".

Aug-27-13
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  jessicafischerqueen: Still sneaking a peek at work, I won't be able to address new edits until I get a home internet connection.

In the meantime, on the fly, since it has also been bothering me for some time-

Re: Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Steinitz Return Match 1896

<Ohio> I couldn't agree more.

<mind went> and <hopelessly mad> are not clinical terms, nor are they even accurate terms based on actual evidence.

Luckily, Kurt Landsberger has documented the actual facts of the matter with primary sources in his biography of Steinitz.

Which I have. I will be adding the correct information when I get my apartment set up.

Right now there's so many boxes littering the floor even the ants and mice are complaining!

Aug-27-13  Karpova: A short note on Game Collection: WCC: Lasker-Steinitz Return Match 1896

See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... for the match conditions according to page 468 of the December 1896 'BCM': <it will be decided by ten won games, draws not being counted. The time-limit is 15 moves an hour. A purse of £200 will be presented by the Moscow Club to the winner, and £100 to the loser.>

Isn't it incredible that the biggest part of the original history page deals with Nuremberg (1896) instead of the WC match itself?

Sep-01-13  Karpova: Just some snippets:

An old acquaintance of ours provided a Post-Game Collection: WCC:Alekhine-Bogoljubov 1929 interview with Alekhine in C.N. 7567: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

In C.N. 7502, Félix Valderrama Loyola (Barquisimeto, Venezuela) reports that, according to his brother Julio, Jacobo Bolbochan was Alekhine's sparring partner in preparation for Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927 See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

Alekhine's excuses for his loss at Game Collection: WCC: Alekhine-Euwe 1935 in C.N. 7937 http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... [1) he was convinced that the match was over between games 10 and 14 and 2) there was a campaign against him reaching a climax during game 21]

Sep-02-13  Karpova: Nitpicking: Game Collection: WCC: Capablanca-Alekhine 1927

<In Argentina, from September 16 through November 29, 1927, the world witnessed the longest World Championship Match in the history of chess.>

What is meant? The longest up until 1927 or ever? The longest in terms of number of games or days?

Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1984)

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