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| Mar-29-08 |
| MichAdams: Expect it by Christmas then. |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: I have to agree with the "calling the match off" thing. Karpov's IQ dropped (you know what I'm saying) and mentally dead, and thus wasn't playing his strongest. |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: (can't delete last post)
But the unfair thing I see in "ending the match" is that why didn't they gave it to Alekhine in 1935 against Euwe (Alekhine was reported extremely drunk during some of his games that he lost and was playing badly in the game) and be like "Hey, man, Alekhine's health sucks I'm ending this match 'cause it's unfair; Alekhine not playing at his best." |
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Apr-12-08
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| percyblakeney: It will be interesting to see how Kasparov will describe the termination now, 20 years after his book Child of Change. I glanced through the old book last week and this is some of the things he says in what he calls his version of what happened at the end of the match: Karpov had had a whole week to rest between game 47 and game 48, but after his losing both Botvinnik said: <The match can end in three ways. The first is the least probable: Karpov wins a game and the match is over. The second is that Kasparov wins three games, it is more probable. The third is that the match will be postponed. That is the most probable alternative, since the second is more probable than the first>. Kasparov says that the first he heard of stopping the match was after the 47th game. The suggestion was that only 8 more games would be played, and Karpov would keep the title even if he went -3 in these 8 games. Kasparov says that he probably would have been prepared to stop the match by then, if he had been given reasonable terms. Kasparov means that Karpov’s terms if the match was to be stopped (instead of following the 8 games more suggestion) at this stage were that Kasparov first should admit that he had lost the match, then he would have to win the next match in the end of 1985 with at least a four point margin. If Kasparov won with three points or less Karpov would regain the title by January 1st 1986. When Kasparov eventually is told by phone that the match is to be stopped at a press conference the following day, he is not invited but turns up anyway. What he did say when getting a microphone was that he was <certain that he was going to win the match> and wanted to continue. This was followed by the sentence: <For the first time in five months I have real chances, let’s say 25-30%, and now they try to take them away from me>. Certain of winning and 25-30% are two different evaluations to come in sentences following each other, but none of them should be taken as Kasparov’s definitive assessment of the situation. Kasparov says that Campomanes is on tape saying to Karpov during a short break: “I told them exactly what you told me to say”, but also such things should maybe not be interpreted too deeply. |
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Apr-12-08
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| percyblakeney: It’s hard to predict how Kasparov’s version of things will look now, 20 years later, in his coming book. My guess is that he will be less critical of Karpov. In his first book he sees Karpov in a very negative light, is very suspicious and expects conspiracies and foul play from Karpov and his helpers much of the time. He also writes a bit about how all the leading Soviet Grandmasters were expected to give all their secrets, information and preparation to Karpov. Kasparov was told that it was his patriotic duty to do this so the traitor Korchnoi could be crushed, but refused. When Kasparov was stopped from playing tournaments abroad, he was told by the Sports Committee that they already had a World Champion in Karpov and didn’t need another one. After initially being stopped from playing Korchnoi in the Candidates match Kasparov gets more and more convinced that “everyone” wants to stop him. He claims that the Vice Chairman of the Sports Committee publicly said that they would do anything to stop Kasparov from playing Karpov in the 1982-84 cycle. The Soviet Chess Federation wanted to continue from 5-3 and claimed it wasn’t against the rules, while Botvinnik said that there was nothing in the rules against going to the moon and play there either. Kasparov didn’t deny that he could have accepted a termination earlier, even if he doesn’t agree that since he could have accepted it earlier he must also by default support it after having won the last two games. Kasparov also talks about an extra meeting of the Soviet Chess Federation, where he was going to be disqualified and not allowed to play the second match (because of critical statements in foreign press). According to Kasparov the disqualification is stopped only thanks to help from Aliev and other prominent backers. So far Kasparov’s version from the 1980’s. In a couple of months his new book will be released, with his 2008 version of things: http://www.amazon.com/Garry-Kasparo... |
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Apr-12-08
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| Knight13: I bet Kasparov in 2008 would have a "HAHA! Karpov LOST LOL in your FACE, Soviets!" attitude, but of course he wouldn't get that out in his book or in comments to press or whatever. |
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| Jun-27-08 |
| Pjalle: What a crazy match, 5 months of sweat and they just called it off, no wonder Kasparov was bitter. I find it a bit curious that there was so many draws, actually 17 draws in a row at one stage, even a match between Svidler and Leko would produce more decisive games. |
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| Jul-05-08 |
| Knife: Does anybody has the video of the 1985 press conference, when Campo aborted the match? That was an historical moment, it would be great to have it in Youtube. Thanks! |
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| Jul-05-08 |
| grkoste: In this truly mind-numbing match, Kasparov made himself the all-time poster boy for the short-draw non-game. |
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| Aug-08-08 |
| JimmyVermeer: Neither Kasparov nor Karpov was the villain here. Campomanes was the villain. Why couldn't Karpov have been given a couple of weeks to rest up before continuing the match, maintaining a score of 5-3? By the way, why is it that people say the match was 48 games but only 47 are listed here? They seem to be missing one of the drawn games between game 33 and game 46. Can anyone verify the accuracy of the information at http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/...? It seems to contradict the information on chessgames.com. |
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| Sep-06-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: Whatever you believe about the match being a let down, without it Kasparov would not be half the player he turned out to be. |
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Sep-21-08
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| Karpova: Edward Winter's assessment of ‘Garry Kasparov on Modern Chess Part Two Kasparov vs Karpov 1975-1985 including the 1st and 2nd matches’ (London, 2008) reagrding the Termination of this match: <a cut-and-paste treatment based on his earlier unreliable accounts (as scrutinized in, for instance, "The Termination" and Kasparov’s "Child of Change").> Source: C.N. 5765
http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| Sep-21-08 |
| seeminor: Only the victors get to write history! |
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| Sep-22-08 |
| offramp: Why are there only 47 games here? They played 48. |
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| Sep-22-08 |
| danielpi: <Knight13><I bet Kasparov in 2008 would have a "HAHA! Karpov LOST LOL in your FACE, Soviets!" attitude, but of course he wouldn't get that out in his book or in comments to press or whatever.> Actually, if you would look at page 84, paragraph 3, he writes precisely that: "Haha! Karpov lost. LOL. In your face, Soviets!" |
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Dec-07-08
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| Karpova: Edward Winter (reviewing Kasparov's "Child of Change"): <Page 135 records the scene after Campomanes’ press conference announcement that a new match would start from scratch in September 1985: ‘There was a great deal of shuffling and noise in the audience at this news. The video tape shows my trainers and myself talking and laughing among ourselves.’> Source: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| Dec-07-08 |
| Everett: In Kramnik's words on Karpov:
<Yes, he is definitely a great player. His fighting skills are second to none. When I started playing in super tournaments, I was impressed with his ability to adapt to changed circumstances in a split second. For instance, you watch Karpov playing a game, he is under pressure and has been defending for six hours by strengthening his position. Owing to his brilliant calculations he defends tenaciously and is very difficult to break through. He appears to be making a draw. His opponent takes it a bit easy and Karpov equals the position. Any other player would agree to a draw here and would be happy that the torture was over. While Karpov starts to play for a win! It was easy for him to forget what had happened on the board up to the present, he did not think about the recent past. Karpov did not suffer from mood swings, he made an impression of a person who had just started playing. If he sees a slight chance, he tries to take an advantage of it. Let's remember Karpov's victory over Korchnoi in their last game of the match in Bagio. Korchnoi started to ouplay Karpov at the end of the match. I don't know why that happened, Karpov must have got tired. When Korchnoi seized an advantage, Karpov demonstrated a brilliant play! As if nothing had happened and the score 5:2 had not turned into 5:5, and there were no hard play after adjournment where he lost in a bit worse rook ending, Karpov played as if it were the first game of the match! Despite wild pressure, when his future was dependant on the outcome of the match, he was playing as if he were training in his kitchen in a relaxed way. Of course, he was an incredible fighter!> ... and many are certain of a Karpov collapse...
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| Jan-09-09 |
| Augalv: Review: Kasparov on Modern Chess Part 2:Kasparov vs. Karpov Contrary to what many people will tell you, the “chess match of the 20th century” was not Fischer-Spassky, Reykjavik 1972. It was Karpov-Kasparov, Moscow 1984. No wait, make that Karpov-Kasparov, Moscow 1984 and 1985. Of course, Fischer’s brilliancy and eccentricity, as well as the political situation between America and the Soviet Union made the Reykjavik match extremely sensational, but from a ”classical drama” point of view, the fight in ‘72 was really too much of a one-man-show. In the series Garry Kasparov on Modern Chess, beautifully published by Everyman Chess, Kasparov has finally written about his epic clashes with Karpov in 1984-1985. The second part of the series, Kasparov s. Karpov 1975-1985, discusses all pre-1984 games between the two Ks (including one simul!) and their Moscow matches. (A Russian book by Kasparov about these matches had already been published, but this account had somehow never been translated.) http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/r... |
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| Apr-17-09 |
| WhiteRook48: why was the match called off?? |
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May-31-09
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| vonKrolock: <"Kasparov has finally written about his epic clashes with Karpov in 1984-1985"> Finally, but finally AGAIN - There was an english edition with all the games of the second match annotated by him, and all the 48 games of the first match without comments, but with one or two diagrams per game (paperback 115 pages, 25 photos , translated by K. Neat, Pergamon Press 1986) |
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| May-31-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Kasparov said he might be able to beat Karpov here, but not "Karpomanes." |
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| Jun-23-09 |
| VaselineTopLove: Can anyone please point me to the game where Karpov's opening idea is busted by Kasparov? The game where Karpov is believed to have analyzed with his seconds, several moves in response to his opening idea, but fails to analyze the one move which counters his played move, and which Kasparov plays. |
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| Jun-23-09 |
| bystanderz: <VaselineTopLove> That is game 18 in their 1990 encounter, as described on Chessmaster: "This was a disappointing game for Karpov, as with the victory Kasparov essentially clinched the Championship in the New York-Lyons match. And the bad part was that Karpov's team of seconds had prepared this line in advance, and Kasparov walked right into it. His improvement found at the board refuted the gambit and destroyed Karpov's chances. One lesson to be learned is that if you are going to play chess, trust other people's analysis only as far as you can verify it yourself." |
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| Jun-23-09 |
| VaselineTopLove: thanks <bystanderz> |
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| Jun-24-09 |
| Shams: This is the game of which you two speak:
Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 |
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