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| al wazir: <evenua: Why did Kasparov not play 54..Bxf3?> 54...Bxf3 55. Kxf6 Bg4 (55...Bd4 56. Ne6, etc.) 56. Nd3 Bc8 57. Nc5 K moves 58. Ke5. |
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| cyruslaihy: white have a better bishop in the end game |
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| Feb-16-08 |
| Chess Carnival: i don't know why but I love it when Karpov thrashes Kasparov. ;) |
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| johnlspouge: <<whiteshark> wrote: Is there a win after <49...Kd6> ?> If you ask me, the answer is "I don't know". If I ask Toga II 1.3.1, the answer is [ply 31/54, time 06:48, value +1.05]
50.Nxh5 Ke6 51.Nf4+ Kd6 52.Kh4 Bh7 53.Kh5 Bc2 54.Kh6 Bd1 55.Kg6 Bxf3 56.Kxf6 Bg4 57.Nd3 Bh3 58.Ne5 Bf1 59.Nf7+ Kd7 60.Ke5 Bg2 61.Ng5 Kc6 62.Ne6 Be4 63.Nc5 Kc7 64.Nxa6+ Kc6 65.Nc5 Bf3 66.Ke6 Bg4+ 67.Ke7 Bf5 68.Kf6 Be4 Computers are undependable in the endgame, of course, but the evaluations were stable for the last 6 or so plies, and their moving average rose steadily with the number of plies. Presumably, Kasparov agreed with Toga's analysis. My chessforum contains instructions on how to download Toga and other freeware for chess analysis. |
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Feb-16-08
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| johnlspouge: <<littlefermat> wrote: In the end game, the 47 Ng2! was very clever (Question: is this the best line accoring to Fritz?).> According to Toga II 1.3.1, 47.Ng2 evaluates as
[ply 25/48, time 01:38, value +0.26]
47.Ng2 hxg3+ 48.Kxg3 Ke7 49.Kh4 Ba2 50.Kxh5 Bb3 51.Kg4 Bc4 52.Ne3 Bb3 53.Kg3 Kd6 54.Ng2 Bc2 55.Kg4 Ke6 56.Kh4 Bh7 57.Kh5 Bf5 58.Kh6 Kf7 59.Nf4 Bc8 60.Nxd5 Bb7 61.Nc7 Bxf3 62.Nxa6 [ply 26/50, time 00:39, value +0.38]
47.gxh4 Bd3 48.Ng2 Bg6 49.Nf4 Bf7 50.Ke2 Kc7 51.Nd3 Be6 52.Ke1 Kd6 53.Kf2 Kc7 54.Ke2 Kb6 55.Nf4 Bf7 56.Kd2 Kc6 57.Nd3 Be6 58.Ke3 Kb6 59.Nf4 Bf7 60.Kd3 Thus, Toga evaluates the showy 47.Ng2 slightly worse than the prosaic 47.gxh4. Toga's rating is at least comparable to Kasparov's, so Fritz's analysis is unlikely to differ significantly from Toga's. I played the game on Arena freeware and analyzed with Toga freeware, finding interest on several moves where the players deviated from Toga's "best line". |
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Feb-16-08
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| kevin86: This game may have been the last hurrah for Mr. Karpov;this was the fourth win with no losses in nine games of this match. He was to win one more in THIRTY-EIGHT games after which, the match was aborted (after game 47). Kasparov then proceeded to win every match after this one. Karpov was a good champion-but many see a vaccuum in the chess championship after Fischer was removed from the title chair. In other words,he was the Larry Holmes of chess-or for older folks,the Ezzard Charles of chess. |
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Feb-16-08
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| Jimfromprovidence: I like 56...Kd6 (below) much better than Kd7.
click for larger view
It only loses one pawn for black and it blocks the advance of white's d pawn. White won't play 57 Nxa6 now because that move will definitely lose the d pawn. A likely continuation, then, is 57 Ne8+ Ke7 58 Nxf6 Bxf3 59 Kf5 Kd6.
click for larger viewI don’t know if white can still get a win here.
I'd be curious to know what others think.
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| Feb-16-08 |
| chicagotim: i think avoiding the check with ...48. Bg6 would have been at least an easy draw if not a win if he could work a passed pawn on the b file |
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| Feb-16-08 |
| jovack: Tight endgame by Karpov.
This is one of the most dominant knights I have seen... especially in an endgame. |
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| whiteshark: <johnlspouge: <<whiteshark> wrote: Is there a win after <49...Kd6> ?>
If you ask me, the answer is "I don't know".> Thank you, <johnlspouge>! I don't know, too! :D It is said that (not only) engines have problems to see and evaluate 'zugzwang positions'. Maybe it's such a sitiuation here ?! Anyhow here is the overnight run by Zappa Mexico:
1) 50.Kh4 Bf5 51.Kxh5 Bc2 52.Kh6 Bd1 53.Kg6 Bxf3 54.Kxf6 Bg4 55.Ng2 Bf3 56.Ne3 Bh5 57.Nf5+ Kd7 58.Ke5 Bf7 59.Nd6 Bg8 60.Nb7 Kc6 61.Nc5 Bf7 62.Nxa6 Be8 63.Nc5 Bg6 64.Ke6 Bb1 65.Nd7 Be4 0.64/29 ; 2) 50.Nxh5 Ke7 51.Nf4 Kd6 52.Kh4 Bh7 53.Kh5 Bb1 54.Kh6 Bc2 55.Kg7 Bd1 56.Kg6 Bxf3 57.Kxf6 Bg4 58.Ng2 Bf3 59.Ne3 Bh5 60.Nf5+ Kd7 61.Ke5 Bf7 62.Nd6 Bg8 63.Nb7 Kc6 64.Nc5 Bf7 65.Nxa6 Be8 0.64/29 ; 3) 50.Kh3 0.64/29 (huh)
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Feb-16-08
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| al wazir: <evenua>: Correction -- make that 54...Bxf3 55. Kxf6 Bg4 (55...Bd4 56. Ne6, etc.) 56. Nd3 Bc8 57. Nc5 Kc6 (57...Kc7 58. Ke7) 58. Ke5. Either way, black is in Zugzwang (white has the opposition and picks up a  ). |
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Feb-16-08
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| RandomVisitor: <jimfromprovidence>I agree, 56...Kd6 is best play and a likely draw for black. |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: <whiteshark: Is there a win after <49...Kd6> ? > My answer is yes. A knight is very strong in this type of endgame. Just let your chess sense be your guide! |
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| May-14-08 |
| Alphastar: <whiteshark: Is there a win after <49...Kd6> ?> Yes, because white just brings his king up to take f6 while black picks off f3. 
click for larger viewthis is easily won for white.
However, in the game, 55. Nxd5+? was a bad mistake which should've drawn. Karpov ought to have played 55. Nh5! Bxf3 56. Nxf6 with a similar won endgame. Gazza made a consecutive mistake with 55. ..Ke6? where he could've drawn with 55. ..Kd6. 
click for larger viewthe problem for white is that because black is missing his d-pawn, he cannot be put in zugzwang anymore. It all comes down to this position: 
click for larger viewwhite to move cannot put black in zugzwang here, because Kd3 is answered by Bf5+. also the black king is always threatening to go to d5 and c4. If black would've had a pawn on d5 the position would be lost. analysis by Timman. |
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May-14-08
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| whiteshark: <Alphastar> Very impressive and in no uncertain terms. Thank you! :D |
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| Jun-23-08 |
| Jim Bartle: According to Adorjan, after this game Kasparov called all his seconds "idiots" very loudly after they all missed 47. Ng2 during analysis, thinking gxh4 was the only reply. Kasparov's sealed move had been 42...f6, also considered an error (and not by his seconds). |
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| Jul-26-08 |
| thedarkknight: what is the point of 24Qb6??? |
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| Jul-26-08 |
| Alphastar: <thedarkknight> the queen was attacked (by the rook on c5) so it had to move to a safer place. On b6 it also prevents the b7-pawn from moving, and keeps the c5-rook and b7-pawn under attack. So all in all, this is a pretty good position for the white queen. |
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| Oct-06-08 |
| Woody Wood Pusher: 21. Rfd1 and white is hitting the d pawn no less than 5 times! 22.Nexd5, Nxd5 23.Nxd5,Bxd5 24.Bxd5,Rdxd5!25.Rxd5,Rxd5 26.Rxd5,Nb6 27.Qd4,Nxd5 28.Qxd5,Qc1+ 29.Kg2,Qxb2 with equality! 31.Bg2-f3 and 35.Be2 repositions and attacks black's c4 square, forcing further exchanges. After 36.exd4 the game enters a new phase, black no longer has the only isolani but it proves weaker due to his light square bishop. |
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| Dec-26-08 |
| M.D. Wilson: <kevin86> <Karpov was a good champion-but many see a vaccuum in the chess championship after Fischer was removed from the title chair. In other words,he was the Larry Holmes of chess-or for older folks,the Ezzard Charles of chess.> Kev, you need a history lesson. Fischer was not removed from the title; he refused to play. Karpov was the most successful and dominant world champion in history when he lost to Kasparov in '85. Only Kasparov can claim superiority, no other player can. Karpov is at least widely regarded as the best tournament player in history. Lastly, Kasparov did not win every match he played with Karpov; you forget the drawn match. |
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| Apr-17-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Kasparov is no match for 3 extra pawns |
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| Apr-26-09 |
| WhiteRook48: 15 Bd4 is puzzling |
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| Apr-29-09 |
| scarredwolf11648: Karpov played a trick on Kasparov. He moved his knight to f5 to fork Kasparov's remaining pawn and the king. Bg2?? is simply a blunder. But still, any other move would not save the pawn. |
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Jul-03-09
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| alexrawlings: From move 27 up to move 33 white has 4 pieces attacking d5 and black has only 3 pieces defending it... yet Karpov never took it. Can anyone explain this please? |
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| Jul-16-09 |
| dzhafner: hello alex,
i think maybe he is unsatisfied with a black rook on his second rank after, Nxd5... Nxd5 Bxd5 ...Bxd5 Rxd5 ...Rxd5 Rxd5 Rc2 ... Rd7? Rxb2 et maintenant, qu'est-ce qu'il peut faire? |
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