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| Jan-18-06 | | NakoSonorense: Ron, after 12...Qc7 13.Nb5 Ne7, white captures our queen with check, so we would not be able to take theirs. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <Nako Sonorense> Yes, in fact now that I see the benefits of Qc7, I might not mind the following 12.Qd5 Bg4 13. Ne4 Bxf3 14.gxf3 Qc7 (this replaces h6 in preventing a mate threat on f7 and if 15.Rd1, then 15...Rd8) Ok, I'm sold
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <Nako again> Got it. My vote then is Bg4 |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, I'm going to sleep. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | NakoSonorense: good night! :) |
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| Jan-18-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok I have no objections against Bg4 or f5 either.
Btw if they dont go pile up against our d pawn it is possible they play a line with Ng5 and f4, forcing us to open a central line.
Something like Bg4 Ng5 Qd7 and then f4. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | Robin01: My vote is for 12...Bg4. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkrieg> excellent point about f4. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | sitzkrieg: Why thank you! |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: If that's where they're headed, then I'm seeing 12...Bg4 13.Ng5 Qd7 14.f4 h6 15.Ne4 a6. Now they can't immediately bring more pressure on d6 using either Nb5 or Rd1. Continuing 16.fxe5 Nxe5. We're ok although I don't like that open file. [diagram]
click for larger viewor 12...Bg4 13.Ng5 Qd7 14.f4 h6 15.Ne6 Bxe6 or Qe6 and we're ok I think we do need 14...h6 in that situation or the pressure on f7 gets too great. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <teammates> final comments now? I think we have a majority for Bg4. I'll post it in about an hour (10:30 EST). |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: Random thoughts. 12...Bg4 13.Ng5 Qd7 14.f3 (instead of f4) 14...h6 15.fxg4 hxg5 16.h3 12...Bg4 13.Ng5 Qd7 14.f4 h6 15.Ne4 hxg5 16.Nxg5 (threatening great pressure on f7 at the cost of a N) 16...Bh3 |
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| Jan-18-06 | | Robin01: <12...Bg4 13.Ng5 Qd7 14.f3 (instead of f4)> I'm not sure 14.f3 or 14.f4 are good moves for white here. I'll look at it in more detail this evening. But white may not even play 13.Ng5 either, so who knows. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, I have <Robin01> <Nako Sonorense> and <me> voting for Bg4, and I have <sitzkrieg> with no objection to it, and <WannaBe> with statements seeming to support it. Here we go... |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: Current position (rotated) after 12...Bg4:
click for larger viewBy the way, I must have missed something. What was <Nako Sonorsense>'s comment about avatars? |
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Jan-18-06
 | | WannaBe: <RonB52734> The main forum, (click on chess forum either at the very top/bottom of the page) you'll see each member's forum have the member's avatar to the left. That was put in by chessgames.com after <NakoSonorense>'s suggestion =) I like it, the fact we get another piece out there on the board, and off the 8th row. Now, anticipating 13. Ng5 Qf6. If we don't play Qf6, next move for white would be 14. Qf7# |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> Qd7 saves us as well. Hang on one moment; I'm compiling our "look ahead" comments on these lines right now (lines we've already discussed as we evaluated whether to make 12...Bg4) |
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Jan-18-06
| | WannaBe: if 13. h3 are we going to reply with Bxf3 14. Qxf3 Or 13. h3 Bh5 |
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: To summarize our lines looking ahead:
A. One of our earliest comments about 12...Bg4 was, I think, <Robin>'s, dealing with 13. Ng5: 12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ng5, then we can play 13...Qd7.
Then, in one of the most recent comments, <WannaBe> proposed: 12.Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ng5, then 13...Qf6
We later took up, I think, <sitzkrieg>'s comment that they may try 14.f4 to open a file. We saw two similar responses stemming from <Robin>'s proposed 13...Qd7: 12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ng5, then 13... Qd7 14.f4 h6 15.Ne4 a6 16.fxe5 Nxe5. 12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ng5, then 13... Qd7 14.f4 h6 15.Ne4 hxg5 16.Nxg5 Bh3 Finally, I mentioned they may try 14.f3 instead.
12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ng5, then 13... Qd7 14.f3 (instead of f4) 14...h6 15.fxg4 hxg5 16.h3 This was all the discussion we've had of 13. Ng5. It almost all involves 13... Qd7 and 14...h6. B. We then took up what if 13. Ne4. I initially proposed: 12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ne4, then 13... h6 14.Rd1 with ...Bxf3 mixed in somewhere. <Nako Sonorense> thought 13...h6 was not necessary and we came up with 12. Qd5 Bg4 if 13. Ne4, then 13... Bxf3 14.gxf3 and 14...Q to 7th rank somewhere And that is all that we have discussed so far
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| Jan-18-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe: if 13. h3 are we going to reply with Bxf3 14. Qxf3 Or 13. h3 Bh5> I want to look at it, but I might be inclined to retreat 13...Bh5. This both helps to hold f7 and continues the pressure on f3 and d1. If they then responded 14.g4, I would be quite happy with the weakening of their king-side and the prospects for finding useful employment for our light-squared bishop. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | sitzkrieg: They played h3. Now i agree with Ron that it is probably best to keep our white bishop. Otherwise we might get too many holes in our position. Furthermore the two bishops might be an advantage.
Trading as many pieces as possible seems favorouble for us but probably not now. My vote goes to Bh5 unless one of you can change my mind with a nice line. |
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Jan-18-06
| | WannaBe: The good thing with Bh5 is that if g4 then we Bf7 and put some pressure on the Q and control that a2-g8 diagnal. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | Robin01: They played 13.h3. I will have to look at this tonight when I have more time. |
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| Jan-18-06 | | sitzkrieg: Yes.
By the way, i was thinking about a possible downside. If we play Bh5 and then Ng5, the Knight can take position on e6 cause the bishop left the diagonal. If this is a problem (probably not, we have Bf7 and things), we might need to consider Bf5, assuming that h3 was an unuseful move. |
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Jan-18-06
| | WannaBe: Very well, I'll post my analysis later tonight, in about 8 hours. |
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