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| Jan-24-06 | | Averageguy: <Wannabe> So, would you be interested? |
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Jan-24-06
 | | WannaBe: <Averageguy> I left a post on your forum. =) |
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| Jan-24-06 | | Averageguy: <Wannabe> Whoops, I hadn't noticed. I've made my first move. May the best man win :-) |
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| Jan-24-06 | | RonB52734: 18...Nb4 doesn't work because of 19.Qe4.
18...Bf6 doesn't look too good because of 19.Nb5
18...Rd8 doesn't look good because of 19.Nb5 also.
For <Nako> and <sitzkrieg> then, a summary of where we are: 18.Be3 was played. Now they win a pawn unless we play 18...Qe6. Note that 18...Qe6 doesn't give them time to add pressure to the position with moves like 19.Nb5 or 19.Rd1 because of the immediate threat of 19...e4! Some follow-up lines we've discussed are:
(a)18...Qe6 19.Nd2 d5. Now, taking on d5 will cost them a piece for a pawn. So 20.f5 Qd7 (not ...Qd6 because of Nb5) and this looks ok. (b)18...Qe6 19.f5 Qf6 does not work because 20.Ne4. So if 18...Qe6 19.f5 Qc4 (c)18...Qe6, 19.fxe5,19...dxe5 looks good for us. If white tries 19.Nb5 we can just play 19...Rc8 and perhaps later chase the knight with a6. (d)18...Qe6, and now if they simply played 19.fxe5 dxe5 20.Nxe5, then 20...Nxe5 gains a tempo and seems to hold as in 21.Qe4 Nc4. <WannaBe>, <Robin01> and <I> have voted for 18...Qe6. It should now not be necessary for the other two teammates to read every post that's been made since white moved. Here's an example of what happens without 18...Qe6: 18...a6 19.fxe5 dxe5 20.Qxd7 Kxd7 21.Nxe5+ Nxe5 22.Bd4! Now, once the e5 Knight is captured (even if we recapture), or once the e5 Knight moves away, the f7 Bishop falls. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: Thanks for the summary Captain! I miss a diagram;)
But i go along with your move Qe6, it looks oke |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: Wait. Why does black loose a pawn if no Qe6? |
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| Jan-24-06 | | RonB52734:  click for larger viewRe-thinking one issue here:
18...Qe6 19.Nb5 and we do have to cover c7 because even after 19...e4, 20.Nc7+ is, well, check, and forks the Q, K and R. We don't want to cover c7 by moving Rc8, because then Nxa7 wins at least a pawn. There are two other choices to cover c7: 20...Bd8 and 20...Kd8. |
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Jan-24-06
 | | WannaBe: <sitzkrieg> See <RonB52734>'s post yesterday, back on page 28? or maybe 27. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: <ron> So why should we move the queen that is covering c7? Sorry if this is already been said somewhere before, i didnt see it and have no premium search gadgets (yet) |
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Jan-24-06
 | | WannaBe: I currently like Kd8 in that scenario. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: For the record I dont mind Qe6 at all and there is a majority so post it as our vote when you want. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: When Qe6 Nb5 the knight doesnt prevent e4 no more so it looks like we can play Rc8 (imo the natural move) easily as Nxa7 is countered by Nxa7 Bxa7 and pawn e4 forks and Bxa7 by p e4 directly. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkrieg: Wait. Why does black loose a pawn if no Qe6?> Here's an example of what happens without 18...Qe6: 18...a6 19.fxe5 dxe5 20.Qxd7 Kxd7 21.Nxe5+ Nxe5 22.Bd4! Now, once the e5 Knight is captured (even if we recapture), or once the e5 Knight moves away, the f7 Bishop falls. We looked at other options (Be6, Bf6, Rd8 and Nb4) and refuted them. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, we have not heard from <Nako> yet. I'm satisfied. <WannaBe> are you available to post our move? I am pretty much out of time. |
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Jan-24-06
 | | WannaBe: Aye aye Capt'n. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: <Here's an example of what happens without 18...Qe6: 18...a6 19.fxe5 dxe5 20.Qxd7 Kxd7 21.Nxe5+ Nxe5 22.Bd4! Now, once the e5 Knight is captured (even if we recapture), or once the e5 Knight moves away, the f7 Bishop falls> If the knight moves away to c6 it is directly attacking the bishop at d4. We will win a piece for the pawn on g7. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | RonB52734: <If the knight moves away to c6 it is directly attacking the bishop at d4. We will win a piece for the pawn on g7.> 22...Nc6 23.Bxg7 Rg8 or Rh7 24.Rxf7 and aren't we now down 2 pawns? |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: Hmm, I must admit i forgot white goes Bxg7 first. But rh7 and after Rxf7 Rg8 should be very ok. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: Anyway; Qe6 has been played already so it doesnt matter. What about Rc8 after Nb5, is it sound? |
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| Jan-24-06 | | NakoSonorense: Sorry for not being around much. Been very busy with school this week. Hopefully I'll have more time starting tomorrow. I noticed that Qe6 was played. I believe it's a good move. See you laterrrrr! |
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| Jan-24-06 | | Robin01: <What about Rc8 after Nb5, is it sound?> Yes, it is. However, I do not believe they are going to play 19.Nb5. |
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Jan-24-06
 | | WannaBe: I currently like the King move if white plays Nb5. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | Robin01: I think the king move might lose a piece. 19.Nb5, 19...Kd8, 20.fxe5 and now we cannot take back with the pawn because it is pinned. So if 20...Nxe5, 21.Nxe5, 21...Qxe5, then white has 22.Rxf7 and we lose a piece. |
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| Jan-24-06 | | Robin01: I wonder what type of game <RonB52734> had at the club tonight. I believe he had fried liver last time. |
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| Jan-25-06 | | RonB52734: I didn't play tonight, just acted as apprentice TD. Next week, though, I'll play a guy rated in the mid-1200's. |
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