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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: I am out until about 11:30 or so late tonight and will not have time to fully analyze the position unti then.. Hopefully we can hold our move yet for 24 hours? |
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| Jan-26-06 | | RonB52734: I like ...Rd8 followed by ...Nb4 |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: Since I do not have a board with me, please post all lines so I can look at them here on the forum. Thanks. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: Possible moves that need to be considered and analyzed might include 20…Rf8, 20…Rc8, 20…Rd8, 20…Nb4, 20…Bg6, 20…b5 and any others that anyone else can come up with. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | RonB52734: The immediate problem here is the attack in the center, and on our Q. If they now play Bd4, we could trade our Q for a B+R. This would probably cost us another pawn, too. (20...exd4 21.Rxe6 Bxe6 22.Qg6+, picking up either a Bishop or a pawn.) They want to open the e-file to get their R against our Q, but they can't open the e-file without the d-file coming open first. (So for example 20...Rd8 21.Bd4, and now if they try 22.fxe4 dxe4 23.Nxe4 and we have several choices to get them on the run). |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: <So for example 20...Rd8 21.Bd4, and now if they try 22.fxe4 dxe4 23.Nxe4 and we have several choices to get them on the run> What about 21...Nxd4? Is that playable for us in this line? |
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| Jan-26-06 | | NakoSonorense: <1>20...Rf8, White response might be Bf2/Bd2. After that, the rook will be will have a clear path towards our queen. But I dont think we should worry, since our pawns are well defended. Also, the might answer f5, but we couldjust move the queen back to d7. Not a problem. <2>20...Rc8, Also f5 is a possibility. And again, our queen goes to d7. They may move the rook to d1 and we could answer with Nb4. They can also move awaythe bishop from e3, but the pawns are well defended, no? <3>20...Rd8, Again the same possible moves as for <2> <4>20...Nb4 21.Qd2 and we don't accomplish anything. After they move their knight, our own will be vulnerable to the queen. Dont like this. At least, not yet. <5>20...Bg6, 21.Qd2. I kind of like this one, but it would be nice if we could put our rook on f8 before making this move. what do you guys think? <6>20...b5. I dont like this because our knight will have no defense. We should make a piece-move, i think. I'm leaning towards <1> or <2> |
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| Jan-26-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin: <So for example 20...Rd8 21.Bd4, and now if they try 22.fxe4 dxe4 23.Nxe4 and we have several choices to get them on the run> What about 21...Nxd4? Is that playable for us in this line?> Not right away, because so long as our d-pawn is still there, white's reply 22.Nxd4 forces our Queen away, and I don't like the choices. After the d-pawn clears from the d-file, then it looks playable. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: <NakoSonorense> <20...Rf8, White response might be Bf2/Bd2> You address Bf2/Bd2 by white, but what about Bd4, which puts another white piece attacking the e5 pawn? They then have more attackers than we have defenders of the e5 pawn. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: Just spotted another move that we should analyze. How about 20...Bf6? That puts another defender on the e pawn. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | me to play: <Teams>
If everyone is agreeable to the time control adjustment, and that seems to be the case, let's start with whites most recent move. So whites 20th move is posted at 11:00 am EST, therefore black's 20th is due by 11:00 am EST tomorrow. Everyone remember to post the time along with your move. Thanks and good chess ! :) |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: It seems that after they play 21.Bd4, we might lose our e pawn. Might we have any queen move here worth considering? Just brain storming here. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | RonB52734: <Nako> Our pawns don't seem to be well enough defended after Bd4. White has 4 attacks on the pinned e-pawn. We have 3 defenders. If our Q is chased away, we have 2. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: Oh, good. So we need not post our move until tomorrow morning. |
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Jan-26-06
 | | WannaBe: I'll examine this position closely later. =)
Since we now have the longer time control! |
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| Jan-26-06 | | sitzkrieg: hehe.
Rc8 looks like a good move to me. I have nothing to back it up except some of the comments of Nako and others above, but it looks natural to me. If I am not back in time i vote for Rc8. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: It looks like we have a vote for 20...Rd8, 20...Rf8 and 20...Rc8. Three votes so far and three different moves. We all need to analyze this carefully. <sitzkrieg> Please try to analyze this and not just give a move based on the comments of the rest of us or just because it looks natural. In your analysis, you may find even a better move for us. Thanks. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | NakoSonorense: I hadn't looked at Bd4. :) However, as an answer to Bd4, we have Rd8! Tehy won't take the pawn unless they want to lose more quickly. :) |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: Sorry, looking back on our post, I see 20...Rd8 was just a strong suggestion. So <sitzkrieg> voted for 20...Rc8 and <NakoSonorense> voted for 20...Rf8. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: <However, as an answer to Bd4, we have Rd8!> Okay. Then why isn't 20...Rd8 <as RonB52734 suggested> followed by Rf8 next just as good? In other words, is Rd8 followed by Rf8 better, or is Rf8 followed by Rd8 better? |
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| Jan-26-06 | | Robin01: If protecting the pawn gets too burdensome, we can always look for a way to give it back as long as we can come out with a good initiative. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | NakoSonorense: I don't find any difference between Rd8, Rf8, and even Rc8. But if I were to pick one, I'd choose Rf8. <If protecting the pawn gets too burdensome, we can always look for a way to give it back as long as we can come out with a good initiative.> Exactly, we can give it up anytime we want. |
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Jan-26-06
| | WannaBe: <Robin01: If protecting the pawn gets too burdensome, we can always look for a way to give it back as long as we can come out with a good initiative.> I agree with you. Don't want to spend time with the over-protective thing. Their attack/offense has stalled, so let's make some good sound moves here. "Let's all give 110%."
"Win one for the Gipper."
"We have to score more than the other team to win!"
(Insert your favorite sport cliché here)
blah blah blah blah blah... =) |
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| Jan-26-06 | | sitzkrieg: Robin I dont think there is much to calculate, white has many options but nothing forcing as far as i can see. Only exception after Rc8 may be the before mentioned Bd4, but that is just a trick and does not promise to much either. Only threat is then to take on e5, we can attack the knight or even hit on d4 and so on. Basicly they got nothing as far as i can see. Rc8, Rd8, Rf8 all are good. I vote Rc8,rooks on open lines and such (Rf8 also). Maybe keep a little space for the king too. But I dont mind Rd8 either.
So my first option is Rc8, and otherwise Rf8. |
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| Jan-26-06 | | sitzkrieg: Just a general thought. By playing Rc8 we also indirectly attack Nc3 wich might be useful. |
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