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| Jan-31-06 | | RonB52734: I don't think we'll see 24.Qg3.
The other way white may deal with the check after 24.Qg3 Bc5+ is 25.Kh1. Now we have to return to our problems on the e-file. Here I no longer like 25...Bd4 because of 26.Ne2. This puts us in a real bind. So I'm looking at 25...Bd6 26.Bf4 and the somewhat surprising 26...Bh5. Now, if 27.Bxe5 Rxf1+ and notice that driving the king away was worthwhile because the only viable answer is 28.Rxf1, after which we have the fork 28...Bxe5. They have only 29.Qe3, 29.Qe4 and 29.Qe1 as near as I can tell. These lines leave us a piece up with the bishop pair. Thus, I don't think we'll see 24.Qg3 at all. |
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| Jan-31-06 | | Robin01: <Thus, I don't think we'll see 24.Qg3 at all> I think you are correct. |
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| Jan-31-06 | | RonB52734: It seems to me the same principles apply to 24.Qe4. First, Rd8, then it looks like very similar moves are available as in the two main lines I looked at after 24.Qg3. |
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| Jan-31-06 | | Robin01: Some of the moves I looked at if they play 24.Qe4 were 24...Ra7, 24...Nc6 and 24...Rc8. I think all of these were okay, but I will look at them again. I have not looked at 24...Rd8 here. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: Oops, not Rd8. Rc8 is what I meant. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: It seems to me with 24.Qe4 Rc8 I'd like to see some ideas of how we have to give back the piece. With the other moves after 24.Qe4, I think we give it back. |
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Feb-01-06
 | | WannaBe: I believe we will give back the knight. I believe white will start an attack with the queen. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: Specifics, <WannaBe>, specifics! :) |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, they played Qg3:
click for larger viewI still like ...Bc5+. Looking at it this morning, I see they could play Rf2 to block, but after we take the rook (giving the bishop), we have enough material to happily give the knight back, break the pin by moving the Queen off of the e-file, and endure a few checks before we get both rooks into play. So I vote Bc5+
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: Is 24...Qg6 here any good for us? |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: No. I guess not. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: I do not have a board with me. So I have to look at the screen and my vision is not the best when looking at a computer screen. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: 24...Bc5+ 25.Be3 and now I see that 25...Qd6 is no good because 26.Qxe5+ and we're going to end up down a piece. So on 25.Be3 I think we play 25...Rc8 |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: How about just protecting the knight again with 24...Bd6 or 24...Bf6. Are these any good? I will analyze this later tonight. Just throwing ideas out. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: Eh, 25...Rc8 doesn't help either, it seems, after 26.Ne4. Maybe the best move here is to give the N back and trade Qs, as in 25...Kd7 26.Rxe5 Bd6 and if 27.Ne4 then 27...Qxe5, or if 27.Rd1 then 27...Qf6 or ...Qg6 |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin01> I think they just overload it again with Bf4 and we're in essentially the same spot, although one more piece gets traded off. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: I'm convinced what we need is a creative way to give back the Knight and exploit the small advantages remaining in the materially even position. Currently I like 24...Kd7 25.Rxe5 Bd6 |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: We're going to have to give the knight back anyway. So maybe we should look for a move (24...Bc5+ maybe) which enriches our position. Maybe there is a good queen move for us also. I sort of like leaving the bishop on e7 to protect our king, but I do not know if that is best. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: <Currently I like 24...Kd7 25.Rxe5 Bd6> Might work. We have to look at it more. I cannot do that too effectively where I am at because of too many interruptions and lack of a board. It is hard for me to look at the screen and analyze. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: A)I think Qb6 is good enough. Qb6 gets our queen out of potential danger and after a king move we keep the extra piece with Ng6! So Be3 keeps the pressure on us and attacks. But it blocks the line. We play Qb8 (qd6 may be possible also, but they can attack with the knight and Qc7 is uncovered)and again threaten to move the knight. So Bf4 to pin our knight, and we give a check again with the queen. Not on a7 but on b6; for then we can play Ra7 after Bd6.
Frankly, i would be happy with a draw after Be3 then (repetition). B )After Bc5+, i think the main alternative, Be3 again blocking the line and we should move the bishop again. Cover the knight with Bd6 and then Bf4 should be playable too, but looks much more menacing since we now have our queen and king in a pin and know way of removing the knight without losing the queen. The queen cant also move with a tempo like above, because of the bishop is blocking. We have to give the piece back with Qg6. They will probably do Qe3 and our hands are tied. So I think that A) is the better (at least easier)line because we move the queen and have the nice threat of Ng6, covering Be7 immediately again. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: 24...Kd7 25.Rxe5 Bd6 is no good. Rd1. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: I like <sitzkrieg>'s option 'A' |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Did i really write "know way of removing"??:P |
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Feb-01-06
| | WannaBe: I have a meeting in about 15 minutes, don't know when I'll be back on. (Probably during/after lunch) If a move vote is required, I'll go with the majority. I really haven't read the posts since mine last night, so haven't had a chance to analyze anything. :-( |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: We should/will wait for all voters, this decision seems crucial for the rest of the game. |
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