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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> he means 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 and then 26.Bd4, rather than what had earlier been suggested, 26.Bf4. The problem for White with Bd4 is that we can simply move the Knight now to c6 and I think we have a piece in hand. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: We might need to take a better look at Qd6 instead of b8 maybe too. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Hmm. Lets put it on the board after Nc6 (i think Ng6 is easier) Qg7. Nd5 has now become possible and is very dangerous. We cant hit it with Bf7 f.e. They have some comp. we need to look carefully at this stage. If this is not clear we might have to reconsider Bc5. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: I must be worse then i thought. I really thought there was a post between my last two:S:) |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: They have other options, theoretically, to get out of check. They could block with the Queen. (Qf2 or Qe3) But here I think either QxQ or Qb8 will hold, depending on which Queen move they use. They could block with a Rook. (Using the e-Rook looks sillier than the f-Rook, because then the key e-Rook is pinned). In either event, we again can play Nc6 and I don't see why this doesn't hold. Or they can move the King away. But again, Nc6 seems to hold. After Nc6, they can take the g7 pawn, but so what? We might play h5 to keep the h pawn, but even if they get that one, we still have a pawn advantage. There simply are no other ways to escape the check. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: @#$% I hate to defend. Why did those basterds get white anyway??! |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: How about maybe we move our bishop up to g6 and open the f file for our rook. If they take the knight with the queen we exchange queens. If they take with the rook, we take their rook on f1 with check, then we can move the queen to f7 a check against their king. If they just take our rook on f8, then we can just take back with our king. That might work. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkrieg> You are looking at: 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 26.Bd4 Nc6 27.Qxg7. Now I'd be happy with 27...Nxd4 28.Qxd4. Then maybe 28...Qd8 to retake the open file |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin01> On what move do you mean for Bg6? |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: 24...Bg6. Right now, instead of 24...Qb6+ |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: 24...Bg6, if 25.Qxe5, then 25...Qxe5, 26.Rxe5, 26...Rxf1+ 24...Bg6, if 25.Rxe5, then 25...Rxf1+, 26.Kxf1, 26...Qf7+ 24...Bg6, if 25.Rxf8, then 25...Kxf8.
Seems like it gets our king and queen off the same file. It looks okay as far as I can see. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ron In some lines of your post i prefer Ng6 because of e7 and other reasons posted above. If they block with the rook we indeed keep the piece and they got nothing for it but a pinned rook. If they move the king instantly, we also keep a full piece. So i agree we are fine in all those var's. But.. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: .. what do we do if they play in your line 28.Nd5 instead of taking? And yes i know they have 2 pieces less. I checked some variations but i d like to hear what you guys think of this. (I recently watched vol.1 of Aagaard's attacking chess ,quite dissapointing cdr but still inspiring.) |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: And damnit if its not complicated enough I still need to check Bg6. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: Actually, in the 24...Bg6 line I think we at least get one of the rooks off the board if nothing else. The more I keep looking at this the more I like it. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok Robin your line looks fine too but cant we exchange queens so we are safe? We even have the bishop pair. Exchange of heavy pieces is very good for us. They will probably play something different. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: I did not like 24...Qb6 to begin with, but then it looked like we might have a draw by repetition so that would have been okay. However, after 25.Be3 followed by 26.Bd4, I do not like our position. I kept thinking about them playing 26.Bf4 and really did not look at 26.Bd4. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin> 24...Bg6 25.Rxf8+ Kxf8 26.Rxe5 Qf6 27.Rxe7 (and we cannot play 27...Kxe7 because of 28.Nd5) 27...Qxe7 28.Qf3+ picking up our rook with check. In all, they go up a whole piece here, so I don't like it. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: Well, we get a rook exchange for sure. Also, they have to get their piece back somehow. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok i go for Bg6 now. I am like a what u call it, some sort of wind thingy. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: <24...Bg6 25.Rxf8+ Kxf8 26.Rxe5 Qf6> We play 26...Qf7. If they play 27.Rxe7 we can take back with the king. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Nice tactics Ron! |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Robin in ur line Ba3 chess? |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: Well, if 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 26.Bd4 Nc6 has the advantage of attacking the white Bishop. I already suggested if Qxg7 then Nxd4. But if Bxg7, then it's easier, Rg8. |
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