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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok i cant analyze this all now. I think we have three unclear lines, when do we have to post? |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ron I believe they got the strong in between move Nd5 after Nxd4. |
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Feb-01-06
 | | WannaBe: I'm not good at anticipating other side's move(s). I'm kinda useless here... :-( |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: <wannabe>nonsense. Just say the move that comes up to you. We , unfortunately, need to check about any possible move, cause we are in the crazy tactics phase of the game. So plz help us out if you have time. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin> I see what you're saying. It's a messy position. I guess I could go either way. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: 24...Bg6 25.Rxf8+ Kxf8 26.Rxe5 Qf7. With probable equality. But...they can still stir up a fire with Ron's Rxe7 followed by Ba3 chess wich is not clear. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ron what does B52734 stand for? |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkrieg> <Ron I believe they got the strong in between move Nd5 after Nxd4.> Then we have Nc6 or Ne6. Even the a8 R or the Q can pitch in to protect the bishop there. And we're considerably ahead in material in this line. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: If they play Ba3, we can just play Kd8 and even though our king is exposed, I cannot see any mate threats there, and we are up the exchange. |
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Feb-01-06
| | WannaBe: Okay, the immediate threat that I see is:
25. Rxe5 with queen supporting, the queen has to move. If they choose Bf4 that adds an extra attacker on e5 square, we will have to surrender the knight. Aaaarrgh, I don't see anything beyond that... :-( |
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| Feb-01-06 | | RonB52734: B is my last initial. 52734 is my attorney ID number. Every website I go to, I can't get RonB. They suggest "RonB469" or some such nonsense. It's easier for me to remember this. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: It is time to start writing lines down for its getting way complicated.
Ron, after Nc6 there is a simple tactic that will kill us, all forced bad for us, and i am pretty sure about that. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: Well, as I keep looking at this I like 24...Bg6 better than 24...Qb6+. So right now I vote for 24...Bg6. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | sitzkrieg: I see Ron. Cant people track u down (god knows why) with that number? <wannabe> I dont think Bf4 has yet been considered in this line!:) so good to mention it. It is probably more dangerous after Rxf8 Kxf8 and may be one more worry for us. |
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| Feb-01-06 | | Robin01: I have to get some sleep. I will check your posts in the morning, and if someone can convince me otherwise, then I will change my vote. However, right now I will stay with 24...Bg6. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: Thank you <Robin01> don't let the bed bugs byte!! :-) |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: Well, I have to go to bed. You guys hash it out. For the moment my vote goes to Qg6+, because it either draws or it puts us up two bishops for a pawn. If <sitzkrieg> can spell out the forcing tactic that causes that advantage to lose, obviously I'll change my vote. But I'm going to dream about Qg6+ :) |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: But if Bd4 in the Qb6 line is not dangerous i prefer Qb6 way over Bg6 at this stage, since we get at least a safe simple draw and otherwise clear advantage. With Bg6 they CAN go for exchanges and a simple position and then may still sac again on e7 wich i want to have clear before i vote for Bg6. Frankly i dont find Bg6 as logical as Qb6, since the latter gets the queen out of the pin and is more forcing for them too. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ron, after Nd5 Nc6 Rxe7 and Nf6. It is not so hard when you setup the position. Still we dont need to get into this, we can play Ng6 instead of Nc6. Then we are one piece up and i see nothing. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: so far, <RonB52734> and <sitzkrieg> prefers Qb6. I'm gonna guess that Qg6+ by <RonB52734> is a typo. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok i am goin to sleep too, i dont think i will be up too early tomorrow so if i am not back in time i vote for Qb6 and if that is proven wrong for Bc5. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: If you guys can work out some lines after the point where Robin stops his analysis,i might change my mind. But i wanna see that we are not squashed after Rxe7 Kxe7 Ba3check. Looks like our king might get a cold there.
If you are really convinced that is no problem i dont mind Bg6.
And yes Qg6 is a typo or so i pressume |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: I think <sitzkrieg> was concerned about the following in the Qb6+ line: 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 26.Bd4 Nc6 27.Qxg7 Nxd4 28.Nd5 Nc6 29.Rxe7+ (but notice here that the reply is 29...Nxe7) and then 30.Nf6+. Here 30...Kd8 is forced. Looks like now 31.Rd1+, and if we simply played 31...Kc8 or 31...Kc7, white has the scary 32.Nd7 forking the Q and R. Here, 32...Qa7+ 33.Rd4 Rd8 looks ok. The "Ng6" alternative in that line is:
24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 26.Bd4 Ng6, and now the white Q is hanging, but she can't take the g-pawn. Might continue 27.Be5 Nxe5 28.Rxe5 and here I think 28...g5. Now if 29.Nd5, then 29...Bxd5. This limits the White Q since she has to defend the R on e5. So a trade of rooks on the f-file won't lead to our K being checked on f8. This line is ok. 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qd8 26.Bd4 Ng6 and here another possibility is 27.Qe3. Now 27...Qb7 28.Bc5 Rc8 and I don't believe any of these lines help White. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: I still like Bg6 better than Qb6+ It opens the position up more. With Qb6 we have the same position on the board as now, except our queen is on b8, so in effect we have two pieces way over on the queen side doing nothing and white has all their pieces active. So 24...Bg6 is much more active than passive. So my vote stay for 24...Bg6. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: Ah crap, any one else on besides me?! We have to post a move in about 13 min. |
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