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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: The later they answer us the better. I will not get to analyze until late tonight. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: I am taking tomorrow off from work. But from now until late evening, I won't have much time either. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: They do not even have to post until tomorrow morning, so we might have a long wait. |
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Feb-02-06
 | | WannaBe: 
click for larger viewThey did move Be3 to block the Q+ |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: We will examine the position some more??
Any thoughts in ...Qg6 here? <Robin01> did not like it as our last move, but didn't give a line/reason. I've gone back a few pages, and the only thing I saw was Qb8. if 25...Qg6 no, that doesn't do much for us.
if 25...Qb8 26. Qxg7 with possible 27. Bxh6 then we lose 2 pawns... |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: Ignore my Qe6 comment. I sure am. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: Qg6 now is not so good we better hold on to the piece. Qd6 is maybe a possibility here but i dont like it because of moves like Ne4.
Also Qe6 might be possible, but i dont like that too because we will move the queen again in the "x-ray" of the rook. I 'd say we stick to the plan with Qb8.
I am not too afraid for Qg7, I think they might get max. 2 pawns for their piece, but then we also get oppportunities for Rg8 and counterchanches. I must say i havent looked at this much. As i posted before I think Bf4 is very probable (is it probably?) ok for us. Consequently I am mainly worried about Bd4 (still not sure but on general grounds and analysis so far I d say we are ok), maybe Rf5, though we look ok there too, and any moves we didnt think about. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: In retrospect, i think b5 might have been a bad move. Qf3 (in the line after Rf5, above mentioned) gives us many worries we could have prevented. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: <WannaBe> I did not like the move Qb6 for the following reasons: it activates their bishop and puts the bishop on a much better square than it was on (probably d4), it puts our queen on a very passive square (probably b8), and in so doing shuts off our queen rook. So I felt like we had two pieces out of the action, and that is usually not a good idea, especially since our king is so exposed. If we cannot get our pieces active soon they will eventually find a way to break through and we will be in trouble. That is why I thought that Bg6 was much more active, since it forced a trade of rooks, and also gave our king some additional squares to move to. Anyhow, that's history now, so we only need to concern ourselves with the position currently on the board. This is complicated, so I'm not even going to try to analyze it until I get home later. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: crap, believe b5 was my suggestion. I thought at the time it takes away the c4 square away from the knight. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: We were last worrying about:
25...Qb8 26.Rf5. Here, 26...Nd3 is interesting because we have attacks on Q and R. The Q is hanging and the attack on the R is with a minor piece. They do not have any immediate checks and they cannot move the R so as to defend the Q. They could immediately trade Q's and save their Rook, but I'd be happy to get their Q off the board right now. They could try 27.Bf4 to protect their Q while threatening ours, but we'd have 27...Qb6+. At that point, moving 28.Kh1 simply allows 28...Nf2+, and moving 28 Kh2 gives us the exchange. Just about anything else either gives us the exchange or trades Q's, and like I said, their Q is one of the two pieces I'd really like to get off the board. 27.Nd5 threatening 28.Nc7 simply leads to 27...Bxd5 or 27...Qxg3. Anyway, 25...Qb8 26.Rf5 Nd3 seems to indicate to me that 26.Rf5 is not so dangerous. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: I believe I also suggested b5. Anyhow, again, it's too late to worry about it. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | Robin01: I believe their move of 26.Bd4 is strong if we play 25...Qb8. We definitely need to analyze this move. However, do we have anything better than 15...Qb8 here? |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: Never spend a moment worrying about the last move; it distracts you from thinking about the next one. Also, we need to be aware of this: 25...Qb8 26.Rf5 Nd3 27.Qf3 Nxd1 28.Qc6+ Kd8 29.Bb6+ and we have to give up the Q for a B. That's about all the time I have until late evening. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: I think these are ok:
(a) The "Rf5" line:
25...Qb8 26.Rf5 Ng6 27.Qf3 Qc8 Here 28.Rc5 Bxc5 29.Bxc5+ Be6 30.Bxf8 Nxf8 31.Qe3 and it's our move, still ahead a piece, everything looks adequately defended. (b) The "Bd4" line: (the following is a cut and paste from late last night):
24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qb8 26.Bd4 Ng6, and now the white Q is hanging, but she can't take the g-pawn. Might continue 27.Be5 Nxe5 28.Rxe5 and here I think 28...g5. Now if 29.Nd5, then 29...Bxd5. This limits the White Q since she has to defend the R on e5. So a trade of rooks on the f-file won't lead to our K being checked on f8. This line is ok. 24...Qb6+ 25.Be3 Qd8 26.Bd4 Ng6 and here another possibility is 27.Qe3. Now 27...Qb7 28.Bc5 Rc8 and I don't believe any of these lines help White. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | sitzkrieg: <wannabe> We at the time all voted for it too, and besides, in the final analysis it may very well be the best move. Im am looking forward to see this game analyzed by the people mentioned in the me to play forum. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: How about this
25...Qb8 26.Rf5 Nd3 (threatening both Q and R as I mentioned before, but vulnerable to 27.Qf3 Nxe1 28.Qc6+) so, knowing the danger, when white plays 27.Qf, we play 27...Qc8, preventing the immediate Qc3+ and attacking their N on c3 and to a lesser extent their R on f5. What would they do now? |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: Here what I have looked at, it's not exact line per se, but what I see (probably yo'all too...) White can play Qxg7 and if we reply with Rg8, Qxh6.
The key right now is f7, which is current defended by N and R. In the above scenario it would be reduced to N and K. White can also play Bf4 then should we reply with Bf6?! it would most likely lead to a trade Bxe5 Bxe5. But I think this is unlikely. If we are to pretend this is a late week puzzle, I do not see a crushing attach by white. But I usually don't see the late week puzzles. :-( I believe white will focus on the e5 N to gain an attack on f7 square. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: 25...Qe6 26.Bd4 Bg6. It may be possible to hold in this line? I'm too tired now. But I wanted to toss it out for thought. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: <RonB52734> Do you mean 25...Qe6 26. Bd4 Bf6? I don't see how Bg6 do anyting for us. |
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| Feb-02-06 | | RonB52734: It is essentially <Robin01>'s suggestion from a move ago. The one that we outvoted by selecting Qb6+. I know <Robin> will scream, but I think we need to consider it. |
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Feb-02-06
| | WannaBe: If 25...Qe6 26. Bd4 we can do Qc6+ or Bc6+ again. |
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| Feb-03-06 | | Robin01: I've been back and looking at the position. I think 25...Qb8 is our best move here. So I will vote for 25...Qb8. |
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| Feb-03-06 | | RonB52734: I agree with <Robin01>. Qb8 is the right move here. Get the Q out of the pin/skewer. Then wait and see what they do next. If they're going to beat up on our Knight, so be it. We can focus on solidifying our position. |
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| Feb-03-06 | | Robin01: We have until 4:00 p.m. to move today. I would wait at least until after the noon hour to post. That way if they have a reply all ready, we will have some extra time tomorrow morning to look at the position. |
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