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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> I just want to be clear here on some things: 1)I did NOT endorse capturing on a4 in any way, shape or form. 2)If there's any accuracy & value to my analysis, then it vindicates my vote
& yours that we play 1...Bxb3. & I agree. According to the analysis I posted, it boils down to a Queen vs. Bishop & Rook endgame! So, again, just for the record:
<Dark Horses> team-captain <RonB52734>
AND team-member <Cogano> VOTE FOR: 1...Bxb3. Captain, please confirm this.
Other team-members, please cast your votes.
Thank you all. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers to all! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: <cogano> confirmed. Thanks for being concise. It's particularly important as time runs short. <WannaBe> should be voting soon. <sitzkrieg> sometimes doesn't get online in the morning EST. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> Ok & you're most welcome. Re <sitzkrieg>, since time is running so short, I suggest either you or <wannabe> e-mail him. If he frequented this site as often as you, <wannabe> or
myself, e-mailing him wouldn't be necessary. But, each of us has their different circumstances & he may not be
able to come here as often as he likes! Thanks much again for your support. I'm rather eager to see what the Knightmares will cook up next! ;) LOL. Take very good care & have a great day.
Cheers mate!
P.S. Me concise? Ha! That's like saying being in the middle of a battlefield at
the fiercest moment of battle is as closest earthly equivalent of being in Heaven! ;) LOL Thank you for your kind words & compliments. Cheers! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: <cogano> Regarding emailing <sitzkrieg>, we in the past have simply gone with the votes we have on hand when time grows short. Sitzkrieg has been online since white posted its last move. In those circumstances, if a player neglects to cast a vote, we interpret them as going with the majority. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, there are 40 minutes left to move. There are two votes for Bxb3 and one vote for bxa4. There are no other clear votes, although <WannaBe> has certainly not been dead set against either move.
I believe bxa4 to be a mistake because it leads either to deadly Knight forks or to a deadly Queen invasion with forks and either a passed white Pawn or a checkmate from the Q and N. When time runs out, I will post Bxb3 as our move unless someone convinces me not to. If nothing changes, that's what I'm going to do. Comments?
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: I have the following in my clipboard, ready to cut & paste: Black plays 35...Bxb3
click for larger viewr4b2-3k2p1-p6p-1p6-P7-1bN1Q2P-6P1-5K2
Posted at 8:55 a.m. EST Friday
Next move due at 9:00 a.m. EST Saturday |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: Perhaps you all knew this, but T S Pradeep is <hitman84>, one of our opponents. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Robin01: I'm here. I have relooked at all the lines, and I will stay with my vote for 35...bxa4. Off to work again. Have a good day everyone. I'll be home earlier tonight. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: Done.
click for larger view |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Robin01> & I sincerely hope this finds you well, though in all
likelyhood it'll find you much later than the time I'm posting it at. I mean
you no disrespect, but would you be good enough to explain at least some of
your reasoning to me? I say some because I don't want to give <RonB52734> the impression that we're wasting valuable time. Also, if it's not too much trouble, & since you're determined that bxa4 is the correct move, would you be good enough to look at my analysis & tell me what's wrong with it & why it loses, at least in the
long run, compared with your line? Thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding & consideration. Take very good care & have yourself a great day. Fare thee well melady! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: <cogano> The move has been posted. Time to look ahead, not back. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Robin01: <cogano> I never implied 35…Bxb3 loses or there was anything wrong with that move. Based on what I analyzed last night, I just preferred 35…bxa4, and I pointed out my reasons for this in my previous post. I will have more time tonight to more fully analyze this move. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Robin01: <RonB52734> Yes, you are correct. We must move on now and play the position on the board! |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: <Robin01> & <RonB52734> I apologize for
the confusion. I just wanted to take the opportunity to learn (to learn in general & because later on in the game this knowledge might come in handy!) I apologize for the inconvience. & <Robin01> I promise that I will examine
the forum's (regardless whose forum it is) pages most carefully before I bother you with & waste your time with another of my enquiries. & both <Robin01> & <RonB52734> I already moved
on. I was already there since Bxb3 was first suggested then spent inordinate amount of time trying to justify & vindicate that move. Regardless what either of you would have replied to my query concerning bxa4, I would still have stuck with Bxb3, not simply because it is a better move & the one I
became convinced of, but also as <RonB52734> repeatedly pointed out, time is short. I learned my lesson. Never again. & again, I apologize for any & all inconvenience I may have caused. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend. Cheers to all! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Robin01> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I was reviewing previous posts & I only just happened on your explanation post & on your post welcoming me to the team. First, thank you. I'm honoured to join your team & I will tirelessly work to earn my position & prove myself a useful & valuable member. :) As for the explanation, good points. But, as you pointed out yourself, the exposed attack on our bishop comes AFTER they move their knight. & THAT begs the question: what good move would there be for their knight, given the current position & that of the immediate future (say within 2 or 3 moves from current one)? REGARDLESS whether we play Bxb3 OR axb4, THIS IS A QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ANSWER, to better anticipate their plans & be better able at dealing with WHATEVER POSITION THAT ARISES! In fact, I think that's at least as important a question to answer, if not more so, than the question regarding the Queen's intended/possible move(s). I say this mostly because the Queen is so dominant & has such a potential for destruction & control, one can forget &
overlook the weaker players on the board.
For that reason, either we remain ever vigilant with respect to all their possibilities (for pawns & pieces)(especially those involving knight &/or Queen), or their knight may very well turn out/become the threat/a greater threat to us! Once again, you have my sincerest apologies for any & all inconvenience I may have caused you. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend. Fare thee well melady! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: You know, I have looked and looked and looked at this, and the only thing I can figure is that they saw the way our Q-side pawns and our bishops were poised to march down that side. Maybe they figured the best thing to do was to demolish the entire Q-side. Or, maybe they have a monster combination that we just don't see. |
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Feb-17-06
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Feb-17-06
| | WannaBe: Sorry, couldn't get up this morning, (I have a bit of the sniffles and sore throat since yesterday, maybe it's the new chess flu going around). After looking at it last night, before my last post, I just couldn't make my mind up on which one was positional/tactically better. Given a choice, I'd probably have abst. and not voted anyway. If this is what they have prepared, we should see some action soon, I can't imagine they would have made a4 without seeing the possible/possibility of Bxb3. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | sitzkrieg: hm...If i were u I d ignore my posts, i just suggested Kc8 after a possible Qd3check. I quickly deleted it tho. Also twice made the mistake of 4 /5... Maybe korsakoff or something..
Anyway, i come up with this, Bd6, Nxb5 axb5 and Qtakes b5 with chess and subsequently bishop.
Other line; Qd3 Kc7 axb and we cant take back.
I think i prefer first line, but we have to consider how to stop the pawn. |
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Feb-17-06
| | WannaBe: 36.Qd3+ played.
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: Sitzkrieg's two lines lead to:
(First line, black to play):
click for larger viewNote here that once we escape the check and drop the bishop, white's going to take some checks from us. I wonder in the first line if this is the best there is. I'll have to look at it this evening. (Second line, black to play):
click for larger viewKb6 looks interesting, and Be6 worth looking at. Even Kb7 is not out of the question. Solid work, <sitzkrieg>. These are definitely challenging positions. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: I think in <sitzkrieg>'s first line, after 36...Bd6 the more likely move is 37.Ne4 and I think we're hurting. I don't think 36...Bd6 is so good. |
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Feb-17-06
| | WannaBe: I believe <Robin01>'s line from last night is correct Kc7. After our Kc7 that queen's got to move, or else it's dire consequences for white. |
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Feb-17-06
| | WannaBe: I believe Kc7 is the best. We can't move the king back to e, because of Qe4+, as long as we stay on the 7th, we'll have R backing up the f8 B. Here are some potentials if 36...Kc7
37. Nd5+ Bxd5 38. Qxd5 Rb8!? 39. axb5 (39. a5?) axb5
37. Nxb5+!? axb5 38. Qxb3 bxa4
37. Nxb5+!? axb5 38. Qc3+ Kb6
I will do some more examinations later. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> I presume what you mean by <that queen's got to move, or else it's dire consequences for white> is that white's Queen and King are on the same light-squared diagonal and can be attacked by our Bishop. But, if 36...Kc7 and white plays 37.axb5, then they cannot be attacked by our Bishop. Our Bishop can no longer go to 37...c4. The Queen will simply take it for free, with check. Now, we can play something like 37...Rd8 instead, and then 38.Qg3+ and now we're going to be in a struggle to stop white's pawn. For example. 37...Rd8 38.Qg3+ Kb6 39.Qg6+ Rd6 40.Qb1 Bc4+ 41.Kg1 axb5. This looks ok. We hold the pawn. The more I look at it, the more I like ...Kc7 and then ...Rd8. |
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