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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with an immediate Bxb3. I'm wondering about Qf3 followed by Qg4+, which might be the big idea. |
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Feb-16-06
 | | WannaBe: Let's see, in <RonB52734>'s line... 35...Bxb3 36. Qf3 bxa4! 37. Qg4+ Be6
35...Bxb3 36. Qf3 Bc4+! 37. Kg1 Bc5+! 38. Kh1 Rb8 (in case 39. axb5 axb5 40. Nxb5) 35...Bxb3 36. Qf3 Bc4+! 37. Kf2 Bc5+! 38. Ke1 Re8+
35...Bxb3 36. Qf3 Bc4+! 37. Ke1 Re8+! |
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Feb-16-06
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: Yes, the possibility of following with Bc4+ essentially means, I think, that White either has to (a) give an immediate check (then we have to be careful that our Rook doesn't get x-rayed) or (b) set up some kind of clever combination once they have moved out of check. We need to look closely for this, because Bxb3 is so obvious. |
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: <cogano> I think one of our teammates may already know his email address. Mine can be found easily enough by reading through the things I have posted in my own forum. ;) |
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| Feb-16-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> Ok. Good to hear. I was just trying to help, regardless whether
or not you admit me to your team. Good luck whatever your choice. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-16-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <RonB52734> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I know you & your team are busy with your lives & with trying to figure out what to do with your game (what's the best line to
play etc.). That said, I wonder if you'd be good enough to offer me some input on a game of mine that I just posted on <hitman84>'s forum, at his invitation (he invited me to submit games to his forum & he'd analyze them for me!). If it's more convenient for you, I'll just copy & paste the whole thing & post it here too. Thanks all. Much obliged. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers to all! :) |
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| Feb-16-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ok; opposing team has accepted, i vote for Cogano in, so its up to the rest of our team and Nako to decide. |
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Feb-16-06
 | | WannaBe: <sitzkrieg> ?? We haven't heard from <NakoSonorense>, the other team's member when they get an replacement, the one(s) leaving makes an announcement on <me to play> forum. I'm a bit confused, that's all. |
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| Feb-16-06 | | NakoSonorense: Hi, everyone. I want to apologize for causing such a mess and for distracting you. You should be focused on the game and not about me. Sorry for that. :) So, I want to make up for it. You can replace me with that good fellow named cogano. No problem with me. I think that he would help you guys out more than I can right now. College is demanding more than what I've been providing, so I don't want any major distractions right now (chess is a major distraction. Those ladies from the sororities are a distraction, too, but what can i do?). So, considering all this, I think it would be better if I leave the game and let you play on with the help of cogano. I'm not leaving cg.com. I'll be stopping by every now and then, but I won't be posting as much as the last few months. I wish you all good luck and hope you (we?) can still win the game. GO DARK HORSES! [I wanna make clear that I'm not abandoning the sinking ship. :)] |
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| Feb-16-06 | | sitzkrieg: wow wow..wait I dont mean to throw u out of the team. If u feel u d like to play on, stay in it, but if y dont wanna cause of studies or anything, then it might be good to get cogano or someone as replacement. But at this point of the game, we need maximum thought on every move. And ehh Nako, noone was thinking u were leaving the sinking ship:)and i sure appreciate u in the team.
Good luck with the studies!
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| Feb-16-06 | | Cogano: Hello <NakoSonorense> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. First, thank you kindly for your gracious words. You
are a man of class. Second, I'm sorry to hear of your time restraints. Too bad you're compelled to fit so much into so little time. I wish you the best of luck with your studies. As for sororities ladies, buddy, you're human.
Give yourself a break. If you were a stone, you wouldn't be distracted by them, let alone worry about that. What with college demands, take comfort in that distraction, as it is among very few that allow you some sense of reprieve from those demands. As for Dark Horses team, whatever you & your fellow teammates decide is fine by me. Even if you do leave, & I wish you didn't because you were already involved with the game & thus are more famaliar with the general strategy & how White has conducted the game so far, for your teammates's sake I hope they choose someone who can most help them & contribute. Whether or not they deem me as such is up to their discretion. Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: <Nako> There will be another game. I certainly understand time constraints. In fact, if you need me to help out with the co-eds, you just call on me! It has been a pleasure getting to know you a little bit. Good luck with your studies... what are you studying, by the way? <cogano> Welcome aboard. |
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Feb-16-06
 | | WannaBe: After staring at this for a while, I believe if we play 35...Bxb3, their next move is 36. Qd4+, trying to win our rook as <RonB> mentioned above. And by playing 36. Qd4+ it prevents us from playing 36...Bc4+. |
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| Feb-16-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> Thank you kindly. I hope I will prove myself worthy & useful & won't disappoint you. Does this mean that I'm now welcome to share my perspective on the position with the rest of the team? :) <Nako> I second <RonB52734> in wishing you luck & success with your studies. As for sororities ladies, <RonB52734> is closer to you & more than experienced than I am to offer you any relevant useful help! I think you should take him up on his offer! ;) LOL Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you all soon. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: <team> Regarding Bxc3, I thought Qd3+ posed some problems, but I think they are all okay. They may be looking at:
35...Bxc3 36.Nxb5 axb5 37.Qxb3 bxa4 38.Qd5+ forking the rook. But the solution is to play 36...Bc4+ instead of 36...axb5 and I think we're ok. Anyway, so far, this is the worst I see. |
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: <cogano> yes, start giving us your analysis, please. |
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| Feb-16-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> I'm getting tired and heading to bed. I think I felt we had an answer to Qd4+. After 36.Qd4+ Kc7 I think we're still ok. What would be white's continuation here? Like I said, I'm too tired now to think about it. |
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Feb-16-06
 | | WannaBe: <RonB52734> Go to bed, (I'm sure you already have. =) if... 35...Bxb3 36. Qd4+ Kc7 one possibility is 37. Nd5+ but I consider this unlikely, since it leads to Bxd5 and Qxd5 us moving the rook. I really don't think they want to trade that knight right now, unless they are confident in Q vs R+B. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Robin01: I like 35...bxa4 better. What I do not like about 35...Bxb3 is the fact that after 36.Qd3+, our bishop is like hanging in the middle of the board. And do not forget our rook is also unprotected on a8. Too many pieces separated too far with our king in the open. So I like keeping the bishop on e6 and taking with the pawn. So I vote for 35...bxa4. Regarding 35...Bxb3: I do not like the fact that after 36.Qd3+ that white has a discovered attack on our bishop when they move their knight. I also, again, do not like having two pieces in effect hanging when our king is exposed to too many checks by white's queen. This is why I do not like 35...Bxb3. So, again, I vote for 35...bxa4. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Robin01: <cogano> Welcome to the team. |
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Feb-17-06
 | | WannaBe: If we play 35...bxa4 the most likely response would be 36. bxa4 or Nxa4 ? If 36. bxa4 should the follow up be 36...a5? Then we'd have to devote a lot of attention to that a5 pawn. No, upon second look, it looks like white will retake with N. Because if we're not careful, white will play Nb6+ forking the R and K. So, 35...bxa4 36. Nxa4 Rb8!? or 35...bxa4 36. bxa4.
Both lines Bxb3 or bxa4 leaves a very unclear picture. =( I don't know which one I would vote for... Next move is 9 AM EST, 6 AM my time, I'll see if I can get up early enough to cast a vote... If anyone has anymore lines/suggestions to post, please do!! Currently 1:25 AM EST. |
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| Feb-17-06 | | AlexanderMorphy: Wannabe how do you get a picture of a chess board onto the page? do you copy or paste or something? |
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| Feb-17-06 | | Cogano: Ok all, <Dark Horses> here goes: <Cogano>'s feeble attempt at analysis: I read before that you were considering playing Bxb3 & wondering what its merits & risks are. Here's my analysis of that: 1...Bxb3, 2.Qd3+. Here, Black has a choice of 6 flight-squres. If we play Ke6, Ke7 or Ke8, then 3.Qe4+ will follow, forking our rook. If we play 2...Kc6, then again 3.Qe4+ forking the rook (not to insult your intelligence. I just prefer to be thorough, which means including even those most obvious possibilities, even losing ones!) That leaves playing Kc7 & Kc8. If we play 2...Kc8, then we might be able to force a draw through perepetual
check through something like: 3.Qf5+ Kc7, 4.Qe5+ Kd7, 5.Qd4+ (to also continue attacking the g7-pawn!) Kc8, 6.Qg4+ Kc7, 7.Qf4+ Kc6 & the cycle repeats. So in terms of checks, White's
prospects are limited.
These checks are nonetheless important because the last square the Queen lands
on will determine what we are able to do, once the a-file opens for the rook & we begin co-ordinating bishops & rook
against the White King. I am going to assume that White will check us as described above, then proceed with axb5
(a capture that I explain below).
That leaves moving the knight, King or one of the pawns. If White moves the King, say with 4.Kg1, then we can try something like 4...Bc5+, followed by b4, in the hope that we'll then be able to capture with Bxa4, & reconnect the a & b pawns. If Kf2, then Rc8, followed by Bc5. Sure White will likely
use checks to avoid pinning Queen to King, but those will also be perpetual,
& will thus lead to a draw! Obviously, Ke1 or Ke2 is suicidal, for it pins Queen to King! As for the knight, there really isn't any useful move for it right now. I mean in the immediate future. In the immediate future, a move like 4.Nd1 or 4.Na2 would lose it to the bishop. & even if White captures said bishop by forking it with the King, he's still lost, because he would've given up a pawn & knight for it! 4.Ne2 is
obviously foolhardy because it pins it to the King & allows us the paralyzing 4...Bc4. 4.Nd5 is even worse, in my humble opinion, because White would have a harder chance (if he would come to have any at all!) evening out the material exchange by capturing the bishop. That leaves 4.Nb1 & 4.Ne4. In the immediate future, 4.Nb1 may seem useless, but it may later allow the knight to jump to a more useful square & join the Queen's attack on our position. That brings me to 4.Ne4. I'm torn here, because we have the option of playing 4...Bxa4 (Which allows us to
capture the pawn but maintain our a & b pawns connected & avoid doubling them!)
or 4...Bc4+. But the White knight being
on e4 prevents us from then following with 5...Bc5+, regardless whether they move their King to g1 or f2! If White plays 4.axb5, we can follow suite with 4...axb5, even though the knight will then recapture, because that allows us something like: Again, I assume the play proceeded first as:
1...Bxb3, 2.Qd3+ Kc8, 3.Qf5+ Kc7, 4.Qe5+ Kd7, 5.Qd4+ Kc8, 6.Qg4+ Kc7, 7.Qf4+ Kb6 THEN
8.axb5+ axb5, 9.Qd4+ Kb7, 10.Qe4+ Kb8. (Kc6 is obviously out of the question, as that loses the rook!) Now it's either back to repeated/perpetual check
or moving the King to avoid OUR checks!
E.g.: 11.Kg1 Ra1+, 12.Kh2 Bd6+, 13.g3 b4, (of course NOT 14.Na2 or Na4. 14.Nb5 is useless & 14.Ne2 pins it against the King!) 14.Nd5 Ra2+, 15.Kh1 [15.Kg1 Bc5+ (our b4-pawn may be advanced so far, but it's also pinned against the King!) Bxd5, 16.Qxd5 Ra6, 17.Qb5+ Ka7, 18.Qd7+ Ka8, 19.Qxg7 Bc5. This is as far as I can calculate for now. Let me know what you think. I sincerely hope you find it useful. Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-17-06 | | RonB52734: I don't like ...bxa4 Nxa4 at all. Rb8 simply allows Qa7+ Kc8 Qxa6+, winning the pawn immediately. I vote Bxa3. I've played through the many checks and exposed pieces there and the worst I see is a Q v. R+B endgame. Other team members please vote. Time is running out. |
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