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| Feb-20-06 | | Cogano: <WannaBe> Then it's settled. I hereby change my vote to 38...Kc7. It seems to
be the most logical & efficient move.
Captain <RonB52734>'s vote: 38...Ke7 Teammate <Cogano>'s vote: 38...Kc7 Teammate <WannaBe>'s vote: 38...Kc7 Teammate <Robin01>'s vote: 38...??? Teammate <sitzkrieg>' vote: 38...??? Take care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-20-06 | | RonB52734: Ah yes, quite right. Kc7 it is |
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| Feb-20-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> I don't want to jump the gun here & appear disrespectful of <Robin01>'s & <sitzkrieg>'s right to vote. But it would appear that we already have a majority vote for a move
-- namely: 38...Kc7 (You, <WannaBe> & myself all agree on it!)! In case time is running short, that sure is useful! Take care & have a great day. Cheers! :) |
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Feb-20-06
 | | WannaBe: <Cogano> No rush, we have until Noon Tuesday EST to post our move. We'll let the capt'n <RonB52734> decide when is the best time. =) |
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| Feb-20-06 | | Cogano: <WannaBe> Glad to hear it. Since I joined the team a number of times we were rushed to vote on a move. It's a welcome change when we actually have plenty of time! :) Thanks for pointing that out. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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Feb-20-06
 | | WannaBe: <Cogano> That one was kind of a rare thing, we were looking at a rather interesting position, (we were debating on Bxb3 or not?). |
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| Feb-20-06 | | Cogano: <WannaBe> Well at least we got White's knight in exchange! Take care & I'll talk to you soon. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-20-06 | | RonB52734: Yes, let's take our time here. Maybe the others have some brilliant plan to contribute. Or maybe I can just go back to my nap ;) (I'm feeling considerably better for spending all day in bed, I hope you are too, <WannaBe>). Also, after ...Kc7 and Qxb3, it appears that Rf8+ (or Ra7?) is necessary to prevent Qf7+ |
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| Feb-20-06 | | RonB52734: Thank you for your summary of the voting, <cogano>, it is helpful. |
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| Feb-20-06 | | Robin01: I have to go with 38...Kc7. |
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| Feb-20-06 | | Robin01: <Also, after ...Kc7 and Qxb3, it appears that Rf8+ (or Ra7?) is necessary to prevent Qf7+> I have been looking at this and I much prefer 29...Rf8+. However, this is jumping ahead. We need to see what white will do first. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, so we have 4 votes for ...Kc7 ... |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: Looks like 38...Kc7 is a go. We've been stuck on defense this whole game, and it looks like we are going to continue on such. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | sitzkrieg: I vote for Ke7:) |
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| Feb-21-06 | | sitzkrieg: Reasons told above:) |
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| Feb-21-06 | | sitzkrieg: Robin; we have black against strong opponents; so defense is not so bad,as long as we dont loose to hard. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | sitzkrieg: About my vote; i dont really feel i understand the position so i have no big objections to c7 either, but i dont see a clear plan at the end of f.e.wannabes line. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> I'll TRY to be concise. Moving the rook Kingside wastes time. Only IT is able to capture the a-pawn AND exert pressure on the 5th rank which will be important later on. &, checking the King brings him that much closer to the centre, posing an added threat to our bishop.
E.g.: 39.Qxb3 Rf8+, 40.Ke2 Be5 (plan: bring bishop to d4, helped by King, to protect the g7-pawn, cover a7 & impede their King's movements), 41.a5 Kd6, 41.a6 Bd4. -->returning the rook to the a-file will be tricky. & Remember: 1)Rook MUST be near King or on dark square (protected by bishop--> protected by King), to protect g7-pawn. 2)When their Kingside pawns advance, ONLY the rook can attack the 5th rank. (With the bishop on f6, we'll attack g5 thrice: rook on 5th rank, bishop on f6 & h6 pawn. Twice for White: h-pawn & Queen. Their King can't come close enough to g5 because of our rook!) 3) ONLY the bishop can exert pressure on g7, a7 & allow the rook to capture. If we captuer with the bishop, we lose the rook, which is very far away from the King at f8! White may realize that the a-pawn is hopeless & advance the Kingside pawns. But we'll still have the upper hand: 37.Nxb5 axb5, 38.Qxb5+ Kc7, 39.Qxb3 Be5, 40.Qf7+ Kd6, 41.Qg6+ Ke7 (To keep the 5th rank clear!), 42.h4 Rxa4, 43.g4 Bf6, (if g5 immediately, then Rg4. The Queen can only fork it by forcing the King to a square somehow crossing one of the d1-h5 diagonal squares. But that's easily avoidable: 44.g5 Rg4, 45.Qc2+ Kb6, 46.Qb3+ Kc4. checking would just waste time!)(If Qf5, Bxh4)(If Qh5, Re4, followed by Re5. NOT Rf4+. After 46.g5 Rf5, White can play Qe2+ & try to fork the rook!) 2nd scenario: 37.Nxb5 axb5, 38.Qxb5+ Kc7, 39.Qxb3 Be5, 40.Qe3 Ra5, 41.Qc1+ Kd6, 42.Qa3+ Kd5, 43.Qd3+ Kc5, 44.Qc2+ Kb4, 45.Qe4+ Kb3, 46.g4 Bf6, 47.h4 Ra1+, 48.Kg2 Re1, (Followed by Re5 the very next move!)(Even if they check (say Qd3+) so long as we stay on light-coloured squares, the Queen is powerless to cause any damage, much less their King! I don't remember when we're supposed to post our move. So we may be running out of time. Sorry I couldn't get this post
to you any sooner! I hope we still have enough time for at least one of you to examine what I had to say & provide me with some feedback. As always, thank you ever most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Well, ...Kc7 has been posted. I think it's clear that Ke7 would lose the rook. I'd rather have R+B than B+B here. I don't have time right now to review <Cogano>'s comments or the end of <WannaBe>'s line, as referred to by <sitzkrieg>. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> We have, in theory, two days now to decide on whether to give check with the Rook. But notice my comment earlier about the need to prevent Qf7+. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Cogano: <RonB52734> I understand that. When you
have time, review what you deem worthy of consideration. As for the risk of Qf7+, that's a risk only to the
g7-pawn (meaning Qf7+, we move King, they capture the g7-pawn!). But, in my scenario, that's mute, because I moved the bishop to e5 protecting the g7-pawn. Now what could they possibly gain
by going to f7 with check? You may have glanced through what I wrote too quickly to have noticed that. That's ok. You have enough time to reconsider it, if you wish to do so. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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Feb-21-06
 | | WannaBe: 39. Qxb3 has been played.
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| Feb-21-06 | | Cogano: NOTE TO ALL DARK HORSES MEMBERS:
White has already POSTED their move:
39.Qxb3
We'd better get moving on deciding what to play next. So I'd appreciate it if ANY of you can consider my posts. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration
& assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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Feb-21-06
 | | WannaBe: <Cogano> Chill, we have 24 hrs. If Jack Bower can save the world in 24 hrs. I'm sure we can make a move in the same time. :-) |
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| Feb-21-06 | | sitzkrieg: It is Jack Bau-er <wannabe>. By the way, in Holland we are at episode 23, thanks for telling the outcome:) |
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