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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: <RonB52734> Actually, I do not believe we can analyze the position with any third parties. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: <RonB52734> I'm sure you are referring to Mr. Smirnoff!! |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: Vodka is a great friend to analyze games with. However, after a while he makes it hard to come up with good variations. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: <RonB52734> Why cannot you TD and play? |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: 39...Re8 simply loses a pawn to 40.Qf7+ Kd8 (or else the Rook is lost) 41.Qxg7. Not only is there no compensation, but our Rook is now cut off from the Queenside. I think 39...Re8 is out of the question for that reason. 39...Ra7 is interesting because it keeps pressure on the a pawn yet prevents 40. Qf7+ from doing any damage (40...Kb6). But I don't like 41.Qd5 Kc7 42.Qd4! in this line. We can't defend all threats. This leaves us with 39...Rf8+, and I agree that 40.Ke2 is likely. Now, if we didn't do anything to prevent it, we'll see 41.Qc3+, forking the pawn. <Robin01> proposes a second Rook check <39...Rf8+; 40.Ke2, Re8+; 41.Kf3, Rf8+; 42.Ke4, Re8+; 43.Kd5, Re5+>. I wonder if White will expose itself to repeated checks in this fashion or will play 41.Kd3 instead of Kf3. However, in that event, it appears that Rd8 is good. Anyway, I think 39...Rf8+ is the only move here. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: <Why cannot you TD and play?> You can, but we choose not to let the TD play for cash prizes. Since I'm not paying to play, and I'm not in for prizes, I go in as a "house" player, used only if a paying player would otherwise receive a bye due to odd numbers. We had an even number of paying customers tonight, so I sat out. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Mr. Smirnoff, meet Mr. Stol Ichnaya! :) |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Besides, I got an endgame lesson from the chief TD, who is our local endgame wizard. In fact, <Robin01>, I'm going to post a puzzle on your chessforum in a few minutes from my "lesson." |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Actually, 39...Rf8+ 40.Ke2, Re8+ 41.Kd3 and now 41...Kd7 or 41...Re7 may be best because the threat of 42.Qc3+ with the fork of the pawn. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, I have posted a cute little endgame puzzle on Robin's chessforum. Have at it. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: Did this one quickly. Hope I'm correct. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | Robin01: I've got to get some sleep. Talk to everyone tomorrow. |
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| Feb-21-06 | | RonB52734: Bedtime, with the following vote count: <Robin01>, <Cogano> and <RonB> voting for Rf8+. No other votes are clearly apparent to me. |
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Feb-22-06
 | | WannaBe: I shall attempt to answer to the posts in their chrono. order... <Cogano> Here is my complete post: <<Cogano: ... 39.Qxb3 Rf8+ 40.Kf2 Bc5, 41.Qc4 Kd6, 42.a5 Re8+, 43.Kf3 (Best to stay near the pawns & guard them!) Re7...>
This line isn't correct, once Rf8+ white's king can't go to 40. Kf2> I never dismissed your line, no where in my post did I intend (to) that tone. If you took/read that post as such, I deeply apologize, and you have my very sincere apologies. I merely mentioned that it was wrong. No (more) different than anyone else who might say such-and-such is wrong. Again, I apologize. < Robin01: <RonB52734> <Russian friend> I sure hope it's Mr. Spassky!> Actually, I hope it's Kasparov!! :-) Or Tal, but Tal might tell us to sac the King! <RonB52734: 39...Re8 simply loses a pawn to 40.Qf7+ Kd8..> No, I think we can play Re7, because the bishop on d6 is backing it up and the rook is protecting g7 pawn. (see my previous line/post.) Unless I really overlooked something. <you vs yourself> There, I explained meself! :-)) |
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| Feb-22-06 | | Cogano: Here's another line for you, but I doubt they'll play it, & I say that only because it is that much worse than
the one I last posted (which I consider to be miserable for them, & I can't find anything better for them!) 39.Qxb3 Rf8+, 40.Ke2 Bc5, 41.Kd3 Rd8+, 42.Ke4 Rd7, 43.Kf5 Re7, , 44.Qb5 Bd4, 45.Kg4 Kd6, 46.a5 Re5, 47.Qa6+ Kc7, 48.Kf3 Rc5, 49.Qe2 Rxa5, 50.g4 Kd6, 51.Qg2 Bf6, 52.Qg3+ Ke6, 53.Kg2 (Obviously NOT a pawn move, or 53...Ra3+ forking the Queen!) Re5, 54.h4 Kf7, 55.Kh1 Rc5, 56.g5 hxg5, 57.hxg5 Rxg5, 58.Qb3+ Kg6, 59.Qd3+ Kh6.
(& the checks are finished. For if 60.Qh3+, then 60...Rh5, losing the Queen!) Anyway, I'm too tired now. So I'm goin to try to get some sleep. I sincerely hope you find this line a winning one. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates!
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Feb-22-06
 | | WannaBe: <Cogano> I don't quite like it, because after 40...Bc5 white have: 41. Qg3+ and if we move the bishop to block, queen takes pawn (g7). |
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| Feb-22-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> What about 39...Re8 40.Qc3+ That's how it loses the pawn.
WIth 39...Rf8+, White is practically forced to move the King. Let's say 40.Ke2. As I mentioned above, we're still in a position where, if we didn't do anything to prevent it, we'll see 41.Qc3+, forking the pawn. (Now I'm going to combine two previous posts to eliminate an error in the earlier of the two. Here's what I should have said): <Robin01> has proposed a second Rook check <39...Rf8+; 40.Ke2, Re8+; 41.Kf3, Rf8+; 42.Ke4, Re8+; 43.Kd5, Re5+>. I wonder if White will expose itself to repeated checks in this fashion or will play 41.Kd3 instead of Kf3. In that case, the line would be 39...Rf8+ 40.Ke2, Re8+ 41.Kd3 and now 41...Kd7 or 41...Re7 may be best because (still) of the threat of 42.Qc3+ with the fork of the pawn. I may prefer 41...Re7 here because (a) it sets up a future pawn capture on the dark a7 square, and (b) keeping our King on c7 helps prevent the Queen from invading on the b file. |
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| Feb-22-06 | | RonB52734: Any more votes? Time runs short.... |
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| Feb-22-06 | | sitzkrieg: Rf8!? Nooooo!!!
Rc8 |
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| Feb-22-06 | | sitzkrieg: GUess im a little late:P |
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Feb-22-06
 | | WannaBe: <RonB52734> Correct, you are! |
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| Feb-22-06 | | RonB52734: <sitzkrieg> If ...Rc8, then Qf7+ |
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| Feb-22-06 | | sitzkrieg: Woops Ron, i was still with the position after Kc7 but we went the other way; i forgot:P
Sorry. Then this move is of course ok.But why are we driving their king to their pawn? |
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| Feb-22-06 | | sitzkrieg: Well i checked ur 1 but last post, i see it. I hope we can hold this position after Re7, but it is sure inventive. Nice job. |
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| Feb-22-06 | | blingice: You seem a little shady regarding Fischer's book collection... |
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