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| Mar-01-06 | | Robin01: Thursday is also a long day for me. I will not be on tomorrow evening until 10:00 or so. |
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| Mar-01-06 | | Cogano: Hello all & I sincerely hope this finds you well. Sorry for being late with this late. I've had a difficult day. Anyway, respectfully, I'm forced to decline my vote. I continue to sincerely believe that our options were severely limited by the move Bb8. That is why when I analyzed the position, I knew that that would play Qc6 & posted it in my line, because it causes us the most problems. Right now,
I can't find any good move to play that would give us a draw, let alone a win.
You're welcome to disagree with me, given your greater experience. Take very good care all & have a great day.
:) Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-02-06 | | RonB52734: C'mon <Cogano>! Your team needs you to offer concrete analysis of the position on the board. I suspect we have all been outvoted. I remember one move in particular that I had argued firmly against, that I almost couldn't bring myself to post, although it was my job as team captain to post it. But this is not an individual game, it is a team consultation game -- a rare and odd creature to be sure. The position on the board is not my position, or your position. It is our team's position. |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Robin01: <Cogano> I agree with <RonB52734> that you need to offer analysis or at least a move. I also have been outvoted before, but <The position on the board is not my position, or your position. It is our team's position> that is absolutely correct. We just play the position on the board. We can go back after the game and see where we went wrong or right. |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & <Robin01> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding. I usually try my best
to express myself as well, clearly & directly as possible. But, I'm only human & sometimes fall short of that & misunderstandings ensue. I did not decline my vote because I was outvoted.
Ever since I joined the team, I tried my best to offer something intelligent,
something that, even if not worthwhile, even if not particularly winning or drawing for that matter, would at least
not insult any of your intelligence. This is why I declined my vote this time. Not because I was afraid I'd post
a bad, or even atrocious, move. But because my understanding & experience proved so limited & limiting, in the present position, that I felt that I'd end up suggesting something that would insult someone's/everyone's intelligence. So I apologize again for the misunderstanding & any & all resulting inconveniences. I was simply trying to be as mindful as I can of your dignity & to treat you as respectfully as I possibly can. Since you seem to insist on my posting something anyway, I'd appreciate a few moments to look at the position. I'll be posting that as soon as I post this note. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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Mar-02-06
 | | WannaBe: Alright, I'll be in meeting starting about 20 min... Won't be really posting/reading posts until past 9 PM EST. <Cogano> No, you won't insult our intelligence, vote as you 'see' fit. And feel free to post lines of possible moves so we all can analyze and maybe improve your line, or using your line to improve others. |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Cogano: Okay, here are my bizarre ideas:
44...Ra7, if 45.Ke4
(aiming for our Kingside pawns), then,
45...Re7+, 46.Kf5 Rf7+, 47.Kg4 Rf4+, 48.Kg3 Rf6+, 49.K-any Rxc6 or 48.Kh5 Rf5+, 49.Kg4/g6 Rg5+, 50.Kf3/f7/h7
(NOT Rxa5, 51.Qb6+ Bc7, 52.Qd4+ forking the g7-pawn)
(If 50.Kf3/f7), then
50...Rf5+, 51.Ke2/e4/g4/g8
(In my opinion Ke4 & Kg8, especially g8, are the most problematic for us! So
assume 51.Kg8)
51Kg8 Rg5, 52.h4 Rg3, 53.Qa8 Kc8, 54.Qc6+ Bc7, 55.Qa8+ Kd7, 56.Qd5+ Kc8, 57.Qe6+ Kb8, (I can't find a good move for White, as one of the pawns will fall!) 58.Qd5 (maybe!?) (NOT 58...Ka7, 59.Qd7)
58...Rg4
(They can't protect all 3 simultaneously! Kg8 was supposed to pin
the rook to the g7-pawn. But that isolated the King. So now the Queen must protect 3 pawns on 3 very different squares in 2 different areas of the board all by her lonesome self!) (If 59.Qh5, then 59...Rxg2, 60.Qe8+ Ka7, NOT Kb7, 61.Qe4+ forking the rook,
Qd7 Kb8 & we at least have a draw through repetition of position! If 59.Qb5+, then 59...Kc8, to prevent the Queen going to d7 forking the rook! & one of the pawns will still fall. So I'm not sure what their best move would
be at this point. Sorry I can't take this line any further!) If 45.Kd4, then 45...Rxa5.
If 45.a6, then 45...Rd7+, 46.Ke4
(NOT Rd6, 47.Qa8 & we lose the bishop!)
46...Ra7, 47.Qd5+ Kc8, 48.Qc6+ Bc7, 49.Qg8+ Bd8, 50.Qc4+ Kb8, 51.Qb5+ Kc7, 52.Qc5+ Kb8 (& again we at least have a draw!)
These are my bizarre ideas. I hope they prove useful. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Cogano: Hi all & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I'm truly sorry about that. I
wish I could have looked at my profile earlier to see that you'd posted a reply here & to see that our move was due at 8:00AM EST. But, I never had a chance to. So, I'm truly sorry I was late with my feedback! :( I hope what I offered will still prove useful, depending on what they play. :) As always, thank you ever most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration
& assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-02-06 | | RonB52734: Unfortunately, I analyzed Ra7 last night and this morning and there is a crushing response. Looking at it again quickly now, I'm not sure I remember what I had, exactly, but I think it involved Qb6+ followed by a6 |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I'm sorry to hear that. At least I can take comfort in that we played a move that doesn't yield a crushing response. Just the same, I hope my line contains useful elements that we may still be able to apply later in the game, as the position evolves. I will re-assess the position (with the rook on d7) as well as the Qb6+ catasrophe (or whatever other move it may be) to determine our best options. The trouble is they can move their Queen, King & any of their pawns with impunity. Whereas we are limited to moving only our bishop, rook
& King. That may prove useful when we determine to effect a draw. But, by the
same token, it can prove quite a hindrance if we're aiming for a win. Hopefully we can figure something out. Thanks much for taking the time to post
that. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-02-06 | | Cogano: Sorry to bother you again <Ron>. What about 44.Qc6 Rd7+, 45.Ke2/4 Ba7. Now, 46.Qa8+ wouldn't amount to anything because we are able to go to e7. If then 47.Qe4+, then Re7 with a crushing pin of Queen & King. If 47.a6,
then Re7+, followed by Rc7 & Kd6, further squeezing the Queen & limiting her available squares! These are just preliminary ideas. I will post about them more later, after I've given them due consideration! Just the same, if only for the time being, I hope they prove useful. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Robin01: I see all is quiet. That is good news. Long day, so off to bed I go. |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Cogano: Sweet dreams fair lady! :)
I wonder how frantically they're debating & fretting over their next move. They too must play most carefully
or they'll hand us a sure draw, if not an outright win! Take very good care all & have a great night/day & weekend.
Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Cogano: Hello all & I sincerely hope this finds you well. What follows is one line I've
considered. I'll try to find other possibilities. But for now it's at least something to work with, or criticize if it's so faulty. I hope you
find at least part of it useful. Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) 44.Qc6 Rd7+, 45.Ke4 Ba7, 46.Qa8+ Ke7, 47.Qg8 Kd6, 48.Qd5+ Ke7, 49.Qe5+ Kd8, 50.Kf3/5 (Not Kf4, even though we can't skewer them, in that there is no sense in taking the risk! I'll further assume f5, even though this takes their King away from their pawns, because it puts pressure on our rook by presenting an ever constant threat to our g7-pawn!) 50...Rb7, 51.a6 Bb8, 52.Qd5+ Rd7, 53.Qa8 Kc8, 54.Ke6 Rc7, 55.Kd5 Ra7,
56.Qc6+ Kd8, 57.Qb6+ Kc8 (& we at least
have a draw!) |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Cogano: Hi again. Line #2:
44.Qc6 Rd7+, 45.Ke4 Ra7, 46.Qd5+ Kc7, 47.Qf7+ Kd6, 48.Qd5+ Ke7, 49.Qc5+ Kd8. or 48.Qg6+ Kc5, 49.Qh5+ Kc6, 50.Qd5+ Kc7. I know, I keep coming up with drawing lines. But that's the best I can find. Alas, in our present position, & given that we only have 3 things that can be moved, we don't have that many options,
let alone winning ones! Sorry folks! |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Cogano: I wish we still had our light-squared bishop! :( With the Queen on c6, if they moved their King to e4 & we still had that bishop, we would have had such
a beautiful skewer! :( Oh well too bad. At least it died a martyr fighting for a good cause! ;) LOL! |
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Mar-03-06
| | WannaBe: Good, they didn't make a move... yet... |
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| Mar-03-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> I think they're all drawing lines, if both sides play carefully. I think the position is a draw. |
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| Mar-03-06 | | RonB52734: They're down to 19 minutes left... |
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Mar-03-06
| | WannaBe: 45.Ke4!! has been played. |
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Mar-03-06
| | WannaBe: Okay, almost 3 AM here. I better get SOME sleep. Been at work from 8:15 until 10:30 then had some drinks with <DrDum> made it home and caught up with all my e-mails and kibitzin's... (Don't think work will mind if I'm just a hair late in the morning coming in. :-) |
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Mar-03-06
| | WannaBe: If we go back to Kd7+, not sure if they'll move the king back. That would be 1 (for a 3 repetition draw...) Okay, really going to bed. |
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| Mar-03-06 | | sitzkrieg: I vote Re7 check. I dont think they will want a draw, i doubt they ll have to go for it. Re7 looks best though. |
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| Mar-03-06 | | Robin01: 45...Re7+ looks okay. I'll have to analyze it some more this evening. So I'll hold off on my vote until later this evening. |
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| Mar-03-06 | | RonB52734: Yep, I say we check 'em again. |
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