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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I'm truly sorry I wasn't as clear as I could've been. I'll try my best to do better next time. I just meant that so long as their King is near f4 & f5, he can help
their Kingside pawn thrust [(W) K + 2 P's vs. (B) 2 P's]. So, specifically, I'm worried about their King being in the vicinity. Even if their King could get behind the pawns at g4 or h4, I think we'd still stand better chances if he were on the 2nd, if not the 1st, rank. As always, I'd welcome your & the
others' feedback on this & all game related issues. Thank you again for taking the time to reply so quickly. Enjoy what's left of your weekend. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: <Ron> About your line "Now, I think you will see that they cannot prevent our King from getting to g8 and h8" how
does getting our King to g8 & h8 stop their two Kingside pawns? Sure we have a bishop. But I'm not sure that'll be enough. But, my lack of chess knowledge/understanding & experience may be blinding me to some basic facts about endgames & drawing positions. If so, then I apologize for the trouble. As for the draw, I agree with you. We can easily force a draw, if we wanted to. But, since we are dealing with human beings, I think we should always hold out the hope for an error on their
part. I don't mean to use stalling moves. I just that mentally we shouldn't keep thinking "DRAW!" or else
we may miss any winning opportunities that arise out of any errors they make!
Take care buddy & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: Just one other note, if we manage to grab their a-pawn while they still have
their Queen, then they'll have no choice but to sac it & head for a draw!
Since we are checking their King, & in doing so heading Kingside, & we do manage to say put the rook on g5, we might be able to grab that pawn with either the rook itself or buy time for the King to do so. All I wanted to get across was the obvious fact that their a-pawn will decide the issue, not their
mighty Queen, despite its dominating presence on the board! |
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| Mar-04-06 | | sitzkrieg: <Cogano> If i may answer the question about the endgame, we think that the king can get the a pawn, and the bishop can stop the other pawns long enough for our king to get to the other wing and prevent white from getting a queen. |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: Thanks much <sitzkrieg> but I'm afraid I'm still not particularly clear on this. After we're left with King & bishop, & they with King & 2 pawns, so long as they keep the King & 2 pawns close together, the best we can hope for is to trade the bishop for one of them. Then, sure we can draw, but it sure won't be easy! But, perhaps I have
wrong ideas, misconceptions, about this, & if so, I'd appreciate you &/or the others clearing them up. Thanks much again. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend too. Cheers
mate! :) |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: I don't mean any of you any disrespect,
especially what with my lack of experience etc., but, if there's any validity to my past lines (& I think there's plenty), then I think we'd have
had better drawing chances with them, especially since, if nothing else, they
have the King much closer to our Kingside pawns, making the draw that much easier to obtain! Since at the very least your perspectives & opinions
differ from mine, then I guess I must await the game's conclusion to confirm what merit & validity, if any, my lines
have & what they would've led to. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration
& assistance. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend too.
Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-04-06 | | sitzkrieg: Coga, u may be right, but at the moment i think it is good for us if their king is far away from our kingside.
Part of the fun in chess is analyzing the game with others, i am looking forward to that. |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Cogano: <sitzkrieg> That's what I meant. I think you're confusing what I said (our
King vs. their King). I meant that we are at risk for so long as THEIR King is close to f4 or f5, targeting the g5-square, thus assisting their Kingside pawn thrust. When I mentioned my previous lines, I said I liked them better because OUR King is closer to OUR Kingside pawns, after the a-pawn's liquidation. If you re-read them (if you have the time), you'll find that even after we capture, & their Queen remains on the board (I assumed they'd keep it to either still hope for a win or force a draw, besides its obvious overwhelming power!), our pieces still get back to the Kingside, their ideal squares in fact, to stop the pawn thrust there! & yes, I guess it'll fun anlyzing the game with others, not that I've ever done that with anyone before, on any game, let alone one I played! But, at the same time, it's frustrating torturing myself with myriad possibilities as to what's the best line & what's the best reply to what I assume to be the other side's best move! Anyway, thanks much for taking the time to reply. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend too. Cheers mate! :) |
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Mar-04-06
 | | WannaBe: < RonB52734: I hate to sound like a broken record, folks, but I have now spent a considerable time going over this and I firmly believe the game can be forced to a draw. (I do not believe black has winning chances with best play).> You are absolutely correct, we can win if white really blunders. I'll check out rest of the posts when I get back from the watering hole. Been a long driving day for me. |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Robin01: No news from white is good news. They must be having trouble deciding where to put their king. |
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| Mar-04-06 | | Robin01: The watering hole sounds mightly good. I think I'll wander down to one myself. |
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| Mar-04-06 | | RonB52734: They're holding on to the belief that there's a win in their position. It will die slowly. |
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Mar-05-06
 | | WannaBe: 46. Kf3 played
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| Mar-05-06 | | RonB52734: Yes, 46.Kf3 played. They are moving backward. |
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Mar-05-06
 | | WannaBe: Oh, heck check 'em again... =) Click on the link within my profile to see picture of <JoeWms> Mrs. JoeWms and <Underrated> while we were at 2006 US Champ. |
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| Mar-05-06 | | Appaz: <WannaBe> Cool pictures, I hope there are more to come! As for the guards not believing you to be Nakamura, maybe your conventional openings gave it away :) |
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| Mar-05-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> I agree. Check 'em again! |
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| Mar-05-06 | | RonB52734: I've looked further at my second line and I believe after 52.g3 it is also possible to draw with 52...Rf2+ 53.Kg1 Bxg3 |
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| Mar-05-06 | | Swapmeet: <They didn't believe that I was Nakamura> Lol, you should have played Qh5. Nice pictures, are you playing in the tourney? |
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Mar-05-06
 | | WannaBe: <Swapmeet:... are you playing in the tourney?> Good god no! I believe US Champ. is by invite only. Plus you know how 'skilled' I am at chess! |
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| Mar-05-06 | | Cogano: Hi all. Since you've elected to check their King for the past few moves, I came up with a "checking" line for you, with 3 variations. I hope it proves useful! 46.Kf3 Rf7+, 47.Ke2 Re7+, 48.Kf1 Rf7+,
49.Kg1 Ba7+, 50.Kh2
(Or else draw by perpetual check/ repetition of moves/ position!) 50...Bb8+, 51.g3 Rf2+, 52.Kh1 Rf7, 8.Qa8 Rc7, 9.a6 Kc8, 10.a7 Rxa7, 11.Qxa7 Bxa7, 12.Kg2 Bd4, 13.h4 Bf6, 14.Kh3 Kd7, 15.g4 g5, 16.hxg5 Bxg5 (& we queen next!)
or 16.h5 Ke5, 17.Kg3 Be5+, 18.Kh3 Kf4,
19.Kg2 Kxg4
(& they lose the other pawn & we queen next!) or 8.Qg6 Rc7, 9.Qd6+ Kc8, 10.Qf8+ Kb7, 11.Qb4+ Ka6, 12.Qf8 Rb7, 13.Qf5 Ka7, 14.Qc5+ Ka6, 15.Qb6+ Rxb6, 16.axb6 Kxb6, 17.Kg2 Bd4 (& we continue according to the other lines!)
Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-05-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, if I can get a couple of more votes I think I'm going to post our move in mid- to late- evening to get the timing issue back to something easier to live with. |
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| Mar-05-06 | | Cogano: What move are you in favour of captain <Ron>? I'm okay with either possibility: the line I posted today or
the one I posted before with Rc7. I think either way we draw. Heck, if they
err, either line will hand us a win! So if the vote is for Rf7+ or Rc7, then count me in! :) Anyway, take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-05-06 | | RonB52734: I vote for Rf7+ |
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Mar-05-06
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