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Mar-07-06
 | | WannaBe: <Robin01> http://www.lvchessfestival.com/ |
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Mar-07-06
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| Mar-08-06 | | Robin01: I'll have to think about it. For now, I'm off...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: 49.Kg1 has been played.
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| Mar-08-06 | | Robin01: They have played a move. I looked at this last night. I like 49...Ba7+, so I will vote for 49...Ba7+. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin01> I agree. Ba7+ |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Cogano: Sorry I've been out of contact for the last while. It was rough enough to require sedation. Anyway, I agree that
Ba7+ is a good move here. I don't remember if I posted a line that includes a check from the B on a7. I'll check & if I didn't I'll post one. Anyway, I really want to get rid of their a-pawn. I know we can force a
draw still in this position. But if we get rid of their a-pawn, the draw is sealed! Anyway, take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers! :) |
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Mar-08-06
 | | WannaBe: Ditto here, Ba7+. After that,
50. Kh1 Rf1+ 51. Kh2 Bb8+ 52. g3 Rf2+!? 53. Kg1 Bxg3 is a possibility. Or 50. Kh2 Bb8+ transposes to above line I believe. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | sitzkrieg: Ba7 agreed. In wannabes line we must be careful not te get some nasty checks combined with attack on our bishop, but we can see about that before we move Bxg3 |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: Current position after 49...Ba7+
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin01> and <Cogano> have both mentioned 49.Kg1 Ba7+ 50.Kh2 Rc7 51.Qa8+ Ke7 52.Qe4+ Kd6 click for larger view<WannaBe> and I have both mentioned 50. Kh1 Rf1+ 51. Kh2 Bb8+ 52. g3 Rf2+ 53. Kg1 Bxg3  click for larger viewI would want to assure myself that there was something better than 54.Qb6+ Kc8 55.Qc5+ Kb7 56.Qb5+ Ka7 57.a6 Ka8 58.Qb7#  click for larger viewIt does seem in this line as if we're going to be forced to move our King away from the a-pawn. Then we have to get our R and B back in time to stop the pawn. Our pieces won't come together very tightly (which we need them to do) and they'll be on the Kingside rather than the Queenside where they're needed. I guess at this moment it looks like <Robin> and <Cogano>'s line is more thematic, if you will, for this ending. Of course, these are not the only possibilities.
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Mar-08-06
 | | WannaBe: <RonB52734> In your line <54.Qb6+ Kc8 55.Qc5+ Kb7 56.Qb5+ Ka7 57.a6 Ka8 58.Qb7#> Would it work if we played 57. ...Re7 then if 58. Kg2 threatening our bishop, we can do 58. ...Bb8. I have not used a board for this one yet, just looking at it mentally. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Cogano: One thing we must remember is that the rook can NOT remain at its current post
because of the deadly Qa8+. If you don't particularly like Rc7, maybe Rd7 might be good too -- at least we'd still have the e7-square to escape to, thereby maintaining communication between rook & bishop! & if they continue checking after that, because we're forced to keep the line between rook & bishop open, we can more easily force a draw through perpetual check &/
or repeated position! I'll re-analyze the position & get back to you. I'm glad we have plenty of time for that! One other thing <Ron> For as long as the rook remains on the 7th rank & the bishop on a7 or b8, they can't advance their a-pawn & will be forced to either
abandon it, as I suggested a couple of days ago when the position was different & suggested a Q, K & pawn attack on the Kingside. Or they'll end up losing both a-pawn & Queen. Obviously, they'll go for the first possibility, for they can't dislodge BOTH rook AND bishop, or they'll end up
either in a draw or losing the Q! This is why I favoured the bishop on a more central location. We can more easily get to f6 from there. I hope we can still force a draw at least if they abandon that pawn & take the Q Kingside. Or we'll pay dearly for the bishop's current position & its earlier
posting to b8! But, like I said, I'll re-analyze the position. Maybe I'll come up with something! :) Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Robin01: I believe our bishop needs to get on the g1-a7 diagonal and stay there. We cannot allow white's "a" pawn any chance to advance to a7. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | WannaBe: One other possibility is after 50...Rf1+ we play 51...Ra1 have to look at this when I get on a board. |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Robin01> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I totally agree. Like I said, so long as that rook remains on the 7th rank (protected
by the King) it'll keep the bishop on a7 & there isn't a damn thing they can do about it to push their a-pawn. In fact, if they try to dislodge the bishop they'll either lose a-pawn & Queen or hand us a draw on a silver platter! Anyway, take very good care & have a great day. Fare thee well melady! :) Hello again <WannaBe> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. Do get back to us on that line. The more options & possibilities we have the better. I'll try to re-analyze the position too & see what lines I can come up with. Thanks much! :) Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-08-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I want to ask you about your line (that leads to mate): How can their Queen go to b6 with check
in the first place, if our bishop is on a7? Are you proceeding based on a different play at this move, instead of
Ba7+? If so what? Thanks much. :) Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> <about your line (that leads to mate): How can their Queen go to b6 with check in the first place, if our bishop is on a7? Are you proceeding based on a different play at this move, instead of Ba7+? If so what?> please note in that line the moves 51...Bb8+ and 53...Bxg3 |
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| Mar-08-06 | | you vs yourself: <WannaBe> If you have time for a game, I'm on FICS right now. |
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Mar-08-06
 | | WannaBe: white also has the option of moving directly to h2 here... which do we Bb8+ and check them that way? |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: <white also has the option of moving directly to h2 here... which do we Bb8+ and check them that way?> Yes, because if they're not careful (that is, if they go to h1 after h2), then Rf1 is # |
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| Mar-08-06 | | RonB52734: I'm going to run over to pogo.com and play a few 15 minute games to get ready for the blitz part of the prison trip. I hate fast chess :) I'm knighterrnt there. |
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Mar-09-06
 | | WannaBe: So, if 50. Kh2 Bb8+ 51. g3 Re2+ 52. Kh1 (Kg1) hum... !!!CANNOT!!! play 52...Ra2. Because 53. Qd5+ Let me look at this some more... |
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| Mar-09-06 | | RonB52734: 50.Kh2 has been played
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| Mar-09-06 | | Robin01: <50.Kh2, Rc7 (The king is out of the picture, so we hit the queen) 51.Qa8+, Ke7
52.Qe4+, Kd6 (and we bring up our king)>
I still like the line I looked at earlier. I like 50...Rc7 here, keeping the rook and bishop both on our second rank. |
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