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| Mar-09-06 | | RonB52734: I agree with <Robin01>. Rc7. |
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Mar-09-06
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| Mar-09-06 | | aw1988: This game should be submitted to the database. |
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Mar-09-06
| | WannaBe: <aw1988> CG.com has made that offer on <me to play> page. Way back... This game is approaching 1 month? If not exceeded one month... |
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| Mar-09-06 | | RonB52734: I believe we started on Jan. 11. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: I only just got online. So thank you for answering my question <Ron>. I'll check the other comments & reply to them in turn. Thanks! :) |
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Mar-09-06
| | WannaBe: <RonB52734> Yes, I went back and looked too. We started on page 3 of <me to play> and we are 2 days shy of 2 full month!!! |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Wow! I feel so honoured that a game I've participated in is deemed worthy of being added to the chessgames.com database! :) Glad to hear it. :) As for the game, I wholeheartedly agree with <Robin01>. At this point, that is our best option. We've pretty much covered all reasonable (& unreasonable)
possibilities in lines submitted to earlier positions as well as the most recent ones. If they continue to advance the a-pawn, then we MUST own the 7th rank. If however they abandon it, then we MUST own the 5th rank, as g5 is the critical square where their Kingside pawn advance & our pawns will do battle. But, we'll cross that bridge
when we get to it. So now, I concur with <Robin01> & vote for Rc7. Thanks all. Take very good care & have a great
day. Cheers to all! :) |
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Mar-09-06
| | WannaBe: <Cogano> My vote isn't pending, read my previous post. (3 posts ago?) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <WannaBe> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. Sorry about that. Did you mean the post wherein you
suggest 50...Bb8+? I'm not sure, because your earlier posts seem to be replies to lines suggested by other members (by <Ron> I think?)! Sorry again. But, if it's not too much trouble, please re-new your vote so I can re-submit my vote post. I think that post is useful. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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Mar-09-06
| | WannaBe: <Cogano> To avoid any confusion, my vote is Rc7. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Ok <WannaBe>. Thanks much for that & once again you have my sincerest apologies for that. I'll strive to do better next time. Thanks again. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Vote Update:
Team Captain <RonB52734>: Rc7 Team Member <Robin01>: Rc7 Team Member <WannaBe>: Rc7 Team Member <Cogano>: Rc7 Team Member <sitzkrieg>: Pending! |
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| Mar-09-06 | | aw1988: Not Team Member <aw1988>: Resign and let's go have tea and biscuits. |
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Mar-09-06
| | WannaBe: <aw1988> Unanimously, overwhelmingly passed!! Earl Grey? |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: <aw1988> & <WannaBe> ROFLOL! That's just hillarious. Count me in fellas. & yes, Early Grey is just fine thanks. I'll bring some biscuits & cookies too!
;) LOL! Take care both & have a great day. :) Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | aw1988: No, let's not have tea and biscuits. 'Tis a silly thing. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Robin01: Beer and pretzels!! |
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| Mar-09-06 | | sitzkrieg: Beer and Beer.
Rc7 is fine with me. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Robin01> & <aw1988> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. Sure! Why not? I'm okay with both of your suggestions. It sure beats tormenting myself with possiblities as to what the Knightmares will do that never get realized! This game is proving to be quite challenging. First time ever I had a go at endgame studies! But, not to complain. I got myself into this! :) Anyway, take very good care both & have a great evening -- or is it day where you're at <aw1988>? Cheers to you both! :) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Hi folks. I was analyzing the game & I can't come up with that much. No offence, but I still come up with difficulties because of the fact that our bishop is on the edge, as opposed to the centre. I still think we could have had good drawing chances if it were on a more central square. Having more central squares for our pieces to me just means more options & allows us to dictate the course of the game more.
Anyway, the main point to watch out for
is that from a7 our bishop will require TWO moves now to get to f6, whereas 1 move would've been enough to do the job
had it remained in the centre. You'll see why:
50.Kh2 Rc7, 51.Qa8+ Ke7, 52.Qe4+ Kd6, 53.Qg6+ Kd5, 54.h4 Bd4, 55.g4 Can't get there fast enough! The rook is stuck on the 7th rank & by the time the bishop makes it to f6, it's too late anyway! 55...Rc6, 56.Qf5+ Be5+, 57.Kf2 Rf6
or 56.Qd3 Rc3, 57.Qg6 Be5+
My brain proved too sluggish to continue meaningfully from there. I'll try again later & see what happens. As always, thank you kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration
& assistance. Take very good care & have a great evening. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> Our Bishop does not want to be on f6 right now. It wants to be on a7. It is performing two useful functions there: stopping the a-pawn, and commanding a very long open diagonal that runs very close to the White King. Unfortunately, your analysis stops before you show me why our Bishop wants to be on f6 at all (where it is at least two moves from helping stop the a pawn, and note that once the a pawn starts to roll, the Bishop will have no more than two tempi in which to help, or else sit idly by). Please, show with a specific line why the Bishop wants to be sightseeing on f6 and not performing yeoman's work on a7. 'Cause I still don't see it. Meanwhile, as we are unanimous, I'm posting Rc7. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. You have greatly misunderstood me. Since I joined the team until now, whenever I posted a line or an "analysis", it was supposed to be for the current position, while taking future developments into consideration. Right now, we know the following for a fact:
The rook is over-loaded as it's protecting the bishop on a7, the pawn on g7 & the 7th rank at large. They will either continue to advance with the pawn to a6 & leave it there or
leave it where it is. The idea being that it will continue to exert a threat. That will bind our forces because we'll have to safely get our King to the a-pawn to capture it & get our bishop & rook to the Kingside to deal with their
pawn advance there! & I assure you that we won't get there in time because we're getting there from the edge. The line I gave just gave you a taste of what might happen. Do note that there isn't anything we can do to dislodge the Queen from g6 save for attacking it with the rook. But to do that we must first move the bishop to protect the g7-pawn. I just don't see how we could capture the a-pawn, get the rook to the 5th rank & the bishop to f6, BEFORE they play g5. What I said about taking the bishop to f6 was supposed to be after the x number of checks they'll give once they
move their Queen. If you know of an efficient way to do what I just related, then please enlighten me. I do
sincerely hope that they'll accept an offer for a draw once we do capture the
a-pawn. Or I guarantee you that they'll punish us for our earlier decision to take the bishop to the edge. I still sincerely believe that we would still have had excellent drawing chances if we maintained the bishop on more central squares. At d4 for example, the bishop would be in contact
with both a7 & g7. In previous positions, I provided possible lines with the bishop there. & with the bishop there, capturing the a-pawn, getting the rook to the 5th rank AND getting the bishop to f6 is a lot more doable & can be done far more efficiently. If there is any reasonable
argument that can be made to demontrate otherwise, it has yet to be made -- specifically that having the bishop on a more central square wouldn't/couldn't
lead to a draw & couldn't/wouldn't achieve the afore-mentioned more easily
& effectively.
I look forward to everyone's input on this. I am most eager to have a GM go over the positions & what I suggested to see whether or not they amount to mere non-sense & to what extent. As always, thank you, & the others, most kindly for your anticipated & continued
patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Mar-09-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> Again, I would find it helpful if you would show me a specific line of play so we can focus on specific plans and moves. Several random points: a. In the specific line that you did post, 53...Kc5 looks entirely possible. b. d4 looks like a better place for the Bishop than f6. c. Surely you mean 57.Kg2.
d. after 57.Kg2, 57...Rf6 does not seem best because of 58.Qd7+. A number of other Rook moves look better, including 57...Rc5. e. I still don't see the horrors of them moving the pawn to g5. After ...hxg5, what do they have??? Here's what they have:
A draw. |
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| Mar-09-06 | | Cogano: They have both their pawns & their Queen versus our lone h-pawn. If you remember, in previous positions in the lines I submitted, it was possible for us to play g5, if it was appropriate, &
nip their advance in the bud.
You make a good point about providing you with a specific line. My problem is
that right now I can't find a good line
that would efficiently, effectively & safely:
1)Capture the a-pawn.
2)Maitain the protection of the g7-pawn.
3)Get the rook to the 5th rank.
4)Get the bishop to f6 (we could get it to f4 instead. But at f6 it
protects & is protected by the g7-pawn & attacks the g5-square. 5)Accomplish 2,3 & 4 before they get their pawn to g5. My two main reasons are that the rook is saddled with protecting both bishop & g7-pawn & they're both on the edge. So we have to spend extra tempi to get to our ideal posts. & that is looking at things optimistically. When the time
comes to move Kingside, we may have to spend even more tempi because our King is in the way of either or both pieces.
& let's not forget that both pieces must remain safe while they move to their ideal squares. Ideally, we'd begin by moving the bishop. But that hangs the rook. If they check us once we move the bishop, I don't see how we'll be able to keep King, bishop, rook & g7-pawn in constant contact. I'm
sorry I can't be more specific right now. The medicines I took a few days ago are still severly affecting me as I'm most sensitive to anything with a sedative effect. So my mind has felt cloudy both night & day. I'm really sorry about that. I'll do my best to come up with something more intelligent
next time. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued
patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration & assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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