<Maybe we could play a thrilling game with high risks and generate more winning chances than in a conventional Pirc/Robatsch.>

The main idea behind the Robatsch is to play e5 in reply to the three pawns setup with d4/e4/c4 or transpositions. If white plays d5 locking the center black has a5 leading into known KI positions which seem to favour black IMO.

If white allows exd4 open the center white does have a small advantage in space and development. But experience has shown that black hold unless f5 is played too soon.

We have to check Robatsch Two Knights Suttles variations, Pirc Austrian Attack classical Modern Mainline as well as transitions from the Dragon Formations BO9.

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 >

Yes ECO A42 Modern Defence Averbakh System .

<1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. Nf3 exd4 6. Nxd4 Nc6 7. Be3 Nge7 8. h4 f5 9. h5 O-O 10. hxg6 hxg6 11. Nxc6 Nxc6 >

IT LOOKS TO BE A WIN FOR WHITE:

12. Qd5+ Rf7 13. c5 dxc5

(13... f4 14. Bc4 Ne5 15. Bxf4 Nxc4 16. Qxc4 Qe8 17. Be3 Be6 18. Qe2 dxc5 19. O-O-O b6 20. Bg5 a5 21. f4 a4 22. e5 Qc6 23. a3 Raf8 24. g3 Rd7 25. Rxd7 Qxh1+ 26. Rd1 Qc6 27. Qe4 Qxe4 28. Nxe4 Bf5 29. Nc3 Kf7 30. Nb5 Bg4 31. Rd8 Rxd8 32. Bxd8)

14. Qxd8+ Nxd8 15. O-O-O Ne6 16. exf5 gxf5 17. Bc4 f4 18. Bxc5 Nxc5 19. Rd8+ Bf8 20. Rh5 Kg7 21. Bxf7 Kxf7 22. Rxf8+ Kxf8 23. Rxc5 c6 24. Rc4 f3 25. Rf4+ Ke7 26. Rxf3 Be6 27. Rg3 b5 28. Rg7+ Kf6 29. Rc7 Ke5 30. a3 Rf8 31. f3 Rg8 32. Rxc6 Rxg2 33. Nxb5 Kd5 34. Nxa7 Rg7 35. Ra6 Bg8 36. Nb5 Kc4 37. Nc3 1-0

That was my secret weapon to defeat poor moves during the opening. Make a youtube video for the 3 highest voted moves, including direct comparison of why move_A is better than move_B

All I needed was some strong opening experts to tell what what to include.

The votes would hugely be influenced by a convenient and accurate youtube video summarizing the competing moves.

You use the word "needed" like you are giving up the idea in despair. This expression makes me feel somewhat guilty for denying the realisation of you desire.

My reason for refusing to cooperate in your venture stems from my observation that it may not be in the best interest for our Team.

It could influence the enthusiasm or even stifle the creativeness for our collective contributions if we diminish the rewards for individual greatness. It would impose a dictatorship and demanding that the team accepts the roll of herd mentality because the truth for selecting our best move and lines is already known.

I have noticed a decline of contributions since we attempted to streamline our collective analysis with forum system to save time by avoiding duplications. It seems to me that in order to improve our playing strength with more efficient ways to collect analysis we instill an inferior complex for many of our less experienced members which discourage them from active participation.

For example; when I joined the team my credentials as an experienced OTB and CC player was known but left to question the value of my contributions for the team. This encouraged everyone to add to our collective thought what is best for all of us and at times prove me wrong and exceed my established rating.

[Event "World Team Championship 2005"]
[Site "Beer Sheva ISR"]
[Date "2005.11.03"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Zhao Xue"]
[Black "Ilya Smirin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A42"]
[WhiteElo "2478"]
[BlackElo "2673"]
[Annotator "Widmann,Kurt"]
[PlyCount "25"]
[EventDate "2005.11.01"]

1. e4

(1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 d6 3. Nf3 g6 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. e4 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 Nbd7 8. O-O c6 9. d5 c5 10. a3 Ng4 11. Bd2 Kh8 12. b4 Qe7 13. Rb1 b6 14. Qc1 Ba6 15. Qc2 Rfc8 16. h3 Ngf6 17. Qb3 Nh5 18. g3 Nhf6 19. Be3)

1... g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 e5 5. Nf3 Nd7 6. Be2 c6 7. d5 c5 8. a3 Qe7 9. Rb1 b6 10. Qc2 Ngf6 11. Qb3 Nh5 12. g3 Nhf6 13. Be3 1-0

A good example how to counter a Black kingside attack with f5-f4, g5, h5 is <Shirov vs Radjabov, Morelia-Linares 2008>.

... 9.Ne1 Nd7 10.Be3 f5 11.f3 f4 12.Bf2 g5 13.Nd3 h5 14.c5 Nf6 15.Rc1 g4 16.Nb5 Ne8 17.fxg4 ...

It may or may not hurt the team. That is not as philanthropic as wanting to provide great chess theory to people all over the world, for free.

People only publish chess theory when their is profit involved or it adds to their recognition, or benefits their team or their company.

What I wanted to do was provide the information into the wikibook, and then create a youtube video for this team, pulling all the information out of the wikibook at the appropriate place. (i.e. stuff no longer relevant to the team will be retained in the wikibook, but not included into the youtube video).

I gave up because I am terrible at chess and I can't write a better wikibook on opening theory than a complete chess noob with access to a few books.

The team has not listened to you during your warnings of our unsound opening practices. I actually looked up the definition of senior international master and I read your posts with humility. You have a lot to give, and I'm willing to format all the data and hard work, you can just post the pgn into my forum, and I'll take care of the hours of formatting work.

The youtube video was my way to repay you, since it would influence votes toward your recommended moves (and most importantly away from bad moves).

Voters following your recommendations would love the understanding and chess education, as each week they get a new chess video covering a new line, and they get commentary from someone as knowledgeable as yourself, and uploaded to a convenient web video.

Announcing the youtube videos has now given opponents two weeks to plan and thwart their effectiveness. I did not wish to announce the youtube videos idea, I just wanted to do it as a surprise, which is now no longer possible.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Openin...

is empty...

f4 and c4 have their own specific goals.. of taking the game in a certain direction. but don't develop bishops.. e4 > probably wind up in a spanish opening with this GM. d4 > catalan,kings indian and modern defense with GM Umansky likely continuations.

c3 is quite flexible.. kind of a uptempo reverse slav defense.

B) e5:
Should we allow Black to play e7-e5
or should we prevent it with e4-e5?

I don't think he will play e5 to our e4.. I don't think we can prevent it.. but if he plays scandanavian yes..

e4 d5 e5.. is probably just as good to close the position as e4 d5 exd5 is to open the position.

If you mean a nimsowitch theory type thing.. like we play

e4 Nc6 d4.. (already white can't play Nc3 without alot of theory.)

C) Position of Bishops:
Should the LSB go to e2, d3, or c4?
Should the DSB go to e3, f4 or g5?

if e4.
(Bb5 or Bc4 depending on how black plays.)

DSB? ( can't determine until we see what's played) Bg5 and Bf4 are always coffeehouse favorites.. but you just have to see what's on the board..

D) Queen side:
Should we prevent Black's b7-b5 with a4
or should we defense Nc3 with a3
or should we allow b5-b4?

(I firmly oppose any non-center pawn moves. (that includes especially a,b,g,h pawns) until the position is castled and we've reached a developed stage where these pawn pushes can be justified. consolidations which weaken other squares can't be considered when your pieces are undeveloped..

E) Castling:
0-0 or 0-0-0? >

O-O is probably safer and easier to reach with e4 played..

if d4 is voted in.. though O-O-O is worth working for.

Happy prospero ano y felicidad.

I can't wait to read it and put it in my profile.

This is a bittersweet time of year for me.

Transposition to B99 - Ne1 variation review suggest to be promising if my idea lines are really sound:

1. e4 g6 2. d4 Bg7 3. c4 d6 4. Nc3 Nf6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4

(11... b6 12. b4 a5 13. a3 Nf6

(13... Ba6 14. Qd2 f4 15. Bf2 g5 16. bxa5 bxa5 17. Rb1 Ng6 18. Nb5 Nf6 19. Na7)

14. Nd3 c5 15. bxc5 bxc5 16. Rb1 f4 17. Bf2 Rf7 18. Nb5 Ne8 19. Nxd6 Qxd6 20. Bxc5 Qd7 21. Bb6 Nc7 22. Nc5 Qd6 23. Na4 Ba6 24. Bc5)

12. Bf2 g5 13. Nd3 Rf6

(13... Ng6 14. Nb5

(14. c5 Nf6 15. Rc1 Rf7 16. a4 h5 17. cxd6 cxd6 18. Nb5 a6 19. Na3 g4 20. Nc4 gxf3 21. Bxf3 Bg4 22. Qe2 Qe7 23. Be1 Bh6 24. Kh1 Rg7 25. b3 Kh7 26. Bb4 Rd8 27. Rg1 Rd7 28. Qf2 Rg8 29. Rc2)

14... a6 15. Na7 b6 16. Nxc8 Rxc8 17. b4 Ra8 18. c5 b5 19. Nb2 Nf6 20. a4) 14. c5 Rh6 15. Nb5

(15. cxd6 cxd6 16. Rc1 Qe8 17. h3 Qh5 18. Be1 Nf6 19. Nf2 a6 20. Qb3)

15... a6 16. cxd6 cxd6 17. Na7 Qe8 18. Rc1 b6 19. Nxc8 Nxc8 20. Qa4 Ne7 21. Rc7 b5 22. Qa5 Nf6 23. h3 Qd8 24. Bb6 Nd7 25. Rfc1 Rf6 26. Nb4 1-0

We would need to check these lines carefully and prepare the team for a difficult opening phase because the engine book lines as well as horizon limit of our cpu's could easily lead us a stray.

We will have to defend against a king attack which is well beyond the current top engines horizons to foresee.

(13... Ng6>

Yes we will have to look into many branch lines if we decide to go with KI. I am glad that you take part in this pre game discussions because of your unorthodox approach to stimulate interests or create controversies.

I like to start by showing a few typical King attacks which we have to get prepared for. Playing b6 in order to delay c5 seems contrary to the spirit of the KI because blacks fate lays with an all out king side attack.

Here are some examples with b6 but we must not give him an invitation to play QI by playing d4 instead of e4 for our first move. I post the main line with d4 to help us get better organized for researching existing game theory. My lines most likely have never been played they are just idea lines in blitz tempo.

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. f3 f5 11. Be3 f4 12. Bf2 g5 13. Nd3 <b6> 14. b4 a5 15. a3 h5 16. c5 Nf6 17. cxd6 cxd6 18. Nb2 axb4 19. axb4 Rb8 20. Nc4 b5

(20... h4 21. Nb5 Ne8 22. Na7 h3

(22... Rf6 23. Qa4 Bd7 24. b5 h3 25. Nc6 Nxc6 26. dxc6)

23. b5 hxg2 24. Kxg2 Rf6 25. Kh1 Rh6 26. Nc6 Nxc6 27. dxc6 Be6 28. Rg1 Kh8 29. Ra7 Bf6 30. Rg2 Bh3 31. Qg1 Bxg2+ 32. Kxg2 Ra8 33. Rd7 Qb8 34. Nxb6 Ra2 35. Rb7 Qd8 36. Bc4 Rd2 37. Qe1 Rb2 38. Na4 Rc2 39. Bb3 Qc8 40. Rd7)

21. Na3 h4 22. h3 Ng6 23. Qd2

(23. Qb3 Nh5 24. Bxb5 Ng3 25. Rfd1 g4 26. hxg4 Bxg4 27. fxg4 f3 28. Nc4 fxg2 29. Nxd6 Rxf2 30. Kxf2 Qb6+ 31. Kf3 Bh6 32. Ne2 Nxe2 33. Bxe2 Qxd6 34. Kxg2 Nf4+ 35. Kf1 Rxb4 36. Ra8+ Bf8 37. Qc2 h3 38. Bf3 h2 39. Qxh2 Rb3 40. Qh1 Qc5 41. g5 Rb2 42. Qh4 Qc3 43. Rxf8+ Kxf8 44. Qh8+ Kf7 45. Bh5+ Nxh5 46. Qxh5+ Kg8 draw)

23... Qe7 24. Rfc1 Bb7 25. Ncxb5 Rbd8 26. Nc4 Rf7 27. Na5 Rd7 28. Rc6 Ne8 29. Nxb7 Rxb7 30. Ra8 Bf8 31. Bb6 Rg7 32. Ba5 g4 33. Rcc8 gxf3 34. Rxe8 Qg5 35. Bf1 Kh7 36. Bd8 Qh5 37. Bf6 fxg2 38. Kxg2 Rg8 39. Kf2 Rf7 40. Re6 Rxf6 41. Rxf6 Qg5 42. Rf7+ Kh8 43. Raa7 1-0

Later I will address your most recent comments. However, at this point I wish to resume a prior discussion.

Over a week ago, you suggested creating multiple forums to consider various ECO openings that could be relevant to the Umansky game. I recommended a course of action whereby we could use our existing forum system to accomplish this. You did not pursue this although you were hoping that I would. Neither did you pursue a completely different course of action suggested by another team member.

Today I have been in email contact with <hms123> and <zanshin>. We have discussed this situation at some length. Although all of us are skeptical that we can create a long term plan that the team will actually follow, we do see the value in discussing various openings in the context of the Umansky game. Also, the suspension of the analysis forums in the GMAN2 game potentially frees up certain individuals to host forums devoted to certain ECO openings for the Umansky game.

So here is my updated proposal. I will attempt to recruit a group of team members to host ECO variation specific forums. <hms123> and <zanshin> have agreed to be the first volunteers. However, we want and expect that you will play an active role in this initiative. The first thing we want you to do is to name the first two ECO variations to receive forums. Then we want you to provide help and guidance to <hms123> and <zanshin> as they create these forums.

My suggestion would be for the participants in each forum to analyze games in which Umansky won or drew with black in that particular opening. Then improvements for white could be sought. However, we defer to you in this area.

Your expertise and experience uniquely qualifies you to take a leadership role in this effort. If you choose not to be closely involved, then this effort will not go forward.

As soon as we receive your preference for the first two ECO variations to receive forums and your promise that you will actively participate and provide leadership, then we will establish the first two forums and I will ask <chancho> to provide links to the forums in his forum header. After a few days, I will continue recruiting additional forum hosts to expand the effort.