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Jan-07-10
 | | chessgames.com: <WannaBe> For the first time we can't take credit for winning puns. "No Country for Old Men" was by
<whatthefat> and "Hou Wears Short Shorts" was an entry from our Pun Submission Page. (I wish I remember who came up with it but it escapes me at the moment.) |
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Jan-07-10
 | | chessgames.com: <All> Speaking of puns, we have a ton of volunteers who put really great stuff on our Pun Submission Page, but far fewer people actually volunteer to visit the
Pun Voting Booth. If you have a moment (and a strong constitution for bad jokes) visit that page and cast a few votes. Every vote helps. |
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Jan-08-10
 | | Stonehenge: <DUPLICATE VOTE: You have already rated this pun. Your second rating has been ignored.
This sometimes happens when you double-click the submit button or reload the page>. I rated the pun but forgot to rate the game. So I went back and rated it, but got this error message. |
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Jan-08-10
 | | chessgames.com: <I rated the pun but forgot to rate the game. So I went back and rated it, but got this error message.> That's OK, that's just how it works. It's perfectly fine to rate the game and not the pun (e.g. perhaps you don't get the joke and don't want to criticize what you don't understand) -- or you can rate the pun and not the game (perhaps you find the joke hilarious but don't have time to review the game). Even "half votes" like that are valuable; we collect statistics on the game and the pun separately so it all works out. But if you do make a "half vote", there's no provision for going back and turning it into a full vote, sorry. In any case, thanks for helping out! |
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| Jan-09-10 | | Billy Vaughan: <Hastings Chess Congressssssss> |
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Jan-09-10
 | | tpstar: Hastings Chess Congress (2010) |
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| Jan-09-10 | | zanshin: <CG> I don't know if copyright claims on website material really mean that much anymore, but you might want to update the one in your footer to include 2010. |
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| Jan-09-10 | | notyetagm: <CG.COM> A very useful <SUGGESTION>: Please put links to the official website and any other relevant links at the top of an event's forum page. So for example, for the World Team Championship (2010), the links Official website: http://wtcc2009.tsf.org.tr/,
Results: http://wtcc2009.tsf.org.tr/componen..., Live: http://wtcc2009.tsf.org.tr/content/... would be displayed.
It would be very nice to have all of this information displayed in one place. I always have to go over to http://www.chess.co.uk/twic to find these links; it would be nice if they were easily available here. Thanks |
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| Jan-09-10 | | notyetagm: <CG.COM> Also it is about time for forums for <CORUS A,B,C 2010>. http://www.coruschess.com/index.php
Thanks |
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Jan-09-10
 | | chessgames.com: <zanshin: <CG> I don't know if copyright claims on website material really mean that much anymore, but you might want to update the one in your footer to include 2010.> Well will, once we make a change ;-) |
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Jan-09-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Please put links to the official website and any other relevant links at the top of an event's forum page.> We have a plan to integrate such a feature with what is currently the "Sticky" feature used in Team Games. It would be maintained by trusted members and could appear not only on tournament pages but player pages, game pages, or really just about anywhere. For now we stick with our usual protocol: when an admin makes a new tournament they post the link to the official site, and members are encouraged to put as many relevant links on page #1 as possible. So just hop back to page #1 on any tournament for the most important links. |
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| Jan-09-10 | | Benzol: <chessgames> I strongly believe that
Hacche David and D Hacche are both in fact Australian player David Hacche. Can you look into this please. |
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| Jan-09-10 | | zanshin: <Well will, once we make a change ;-)> Cryptic and intriguing <CG> ... can't wait ;-) |
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| Jan-09-10 | | Billy Vaughan: <Hastings Chess Congressssssss> I guess I was unclear. On the front page it has three s's. |
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Jan-10-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Hastings Chess Congressssssss> Oh! Thank you very much--we missed the point of your post. There is an effect sometimes called "proofreader blindness" by which we were stricken. Thanks again. |
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Jan-10-10
 | | Domdaniel: <chessgames> - <Re: automatic ECO code assignment> A few people have already commented on the [C05]/[C06] situation in the Tarrasch French. C06 seems to have become redundant over the past couple of years, with all relevant games since 2007 going into the more general category C05. A similar situation exists with [C17], another line in the French. Officially it covers deviations in the Advance line of the Winawer, ie 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e5 c5 [5.a3], and then anything other than the mainline 5...Bxc3+. There are a number of [C17] lines, but the most important is 5.a3 Ba5 (variously called the Retreat Variation, the Swiss Var., the Armenian, and the Swiss-Armenian or Swarm). Recently, games in this line have been classified with the mainline Winawer as C18. As far as I know, certain engine/databases (such as Fritz) make the same mistake. In both of these cases (and there are others apart from the French) the ECO system has one code for the 'general' variation, and another code for a specific longer line -- but all games are going into the 'general' box. A related problem is in openings with many transpositions. For instance, games starting 1.d4 e6 may be called the Horwitz (or is it Harrwitz?!) Defense, ie just each player's first move. Yet the vast majority of such games go on to become a French (2.e4 d5), a Dutch (2.Nf3 f5), a Nimzo-Indian (2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4), a QGD (2.c4 d5), a Bogo-Indian, a Slav, an Owen's or English Defence (2...b6), a Kangaroo (2.c4 Bb4+) and so on. Similarly, the 'Zukertort Opening' name is now used for many games starting 1.Nf3. These were previously given the routine name 'Reti Opening' - even when neither is strictly correct. One thing affected by these classifications is the 'most frequently used openings' table on the CG Statistics page, where the King's Indian Attack is placed much higher than it should be. My suggestion is that, as far as practicable, the opening classification should be based on the position reached after several (5? 8? 10?) moves. This would mean that games starting 1.c4 or 1.Nf3, with early d4 by white, would be assigned to whatever Indian or Queen's Pawn game they transpose into. But it would not have to deal with those positions where, say, 13...Nc6 is a Tarrasch, 13...Nbd7 is a Catalan, 13...dxc4 is a QGA, etc etc. Such positions do exist, but precise classification is a matter for experts. As for 1.Nf3, I find the following scheme useful: if white plays for c4, a Reti or English; if e4, a King's Indian Attack (or transposition to a 1.e4 game like the Sicilian); if white plays an early d4, it either transposes to a 1.d4 opening ... or remains as a Zukertort. Plus, of course, 2.b3 is a Nimzo-Larsen and 2.g3 can be a Benko/Hungarian, or a Neo-Gruenfeld, or a lot of other things not worth going into here. Unfortunately, if Chessbase/Fritz or some equivalent system is consistently making a small error in classification, you're going to get hundreds of games with this mistake -- assigned automatically by tournament directors, not chosen by members submitting single games. Since fixing them by hand is impractical, I don't see a solution ... |
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Jan-10-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Domdaniel> Thank you for that lengthy analysis. The truth is we already have classification software, but the problem is we have TWO of them ... and they don't always match one another. We are in the process of trying to unify them. One of the two methods was designed by Eric Schiller, called the Caxton notation. Unlike ECO it has never been adopted by any large database, but after studying it we think it holds great promise. We humbly question some of Dr. Schiller's naming conventions, but for the most part it is exactly the required technology. The Caxton database needs some corrections to a few of the positions but the general idea is correct. There is no magic number of moves (5, 8, 10) which define an opening. A certain variation may only be definite after 14 moves (some lines in the Ruy Lopez or Sicilian fall into that category) -- while others may be defined by the first two moves (1.e4 a6). The trick is to start at the END of the game and work your way towards the beginning. If you come across a position in the database, that's the one you want, regardless of other "hits" that occur previously in the game. Regarding the problems with the French Defense etc., that is a byproduct of contradictions in our two methods of labeling games. However, with the proper corrections to the opening definitions, we can reprocess thousands of games at once. |
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Jan-10-10
 | | Domdaniel: <CG> Thanks: that sounds promising, since existing systems like ECO have built-in contradictions and ambiguities, and are weak at coping with developments in theory. Catch-all codes such as [B00] and [D00] include lines that deserve a class number, while other lines (eg, in the Sicilian and KID) make detailed distinctions that have lost relevance. I'd read that Eric Schiller was using some ideas from linguistics/grammar to create a new classification system - then called CaXML, I think? Is Caxton the same, and is there anywhere I can read more about it? Working backwards sounds good -- until you remember certain middlegame positions that can be reached in completely different openings (IQP positions in Panov-Botvinnik Caro-Kann or QGD Tarrasch ... it's even possible to reach identical positions in the Petrov and the French Exchange). I guess in such cases you either give primacy to one system, or go on using both with some link between them to indicate a transposition ... And I presume the system ignores identical endgame positions. Unless the endgame is reached directly from the opening in <20 moves? Thanks again for the response. Since opening classification and linguistics are both dear to my heart, I should probably put further questions directly to Dr Schiller. |
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| Jan-10-10 | | notyetagm: <CG.COM> You should make the great Nakamura win in Gelfand vs Nakamura, 2010 a Game Of The Day, calling it <"The Immortal Zwischenzug Game">, due to Nakamura's fabulous <ZWISCHENZUG> 24 ... ♘g2x♖e1!, 27 ... ♗c8-h3!, and 29 ... ♗h3x♗f1!, all these moves leaving the Black queen <EN PRISE> to threaten mate-in-1. |
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Jan-10-10
 | | chessgames.com: <Working backwards sounds good -- until you remember certain middlegame positions that can be reached in completely different openings> True, but then the ambiguity can be resolved in a few different ways. There is no perfect solution to that scenario, but at least we can be consistent about it. One approach is to pay homage to whatever sequence of moves led up to the position, so that if it began 1.d4 d5 2.c4 we call it "Queen's Gambit" event though it achieved a well known Nimzo Indian position. There is something satisfying about this approach, but it may naively assuming that the data are so well organized that pigeon-holing the games into their openings like that is even possible. If there are only two of three ways of reaching a position it might work--but what if there are thousands of ways? Another way is to take statistics: ask the database, which is the most common way of achieving the given position? (Yet another use for the Opening Explorer data!) With that method, we'll have games that start 1.d4 d5 2.c4 and are labeled "Nimzo Indian", and ones that start 1.d4 Nf6 and are called Queen's Gambit, and we'll also have a large body of data behind us to support that the designations are correct. What's more, this means that from time to time the openings will require computation for a second time, just to make sure that a change in an opening's popularity doesn't change how games are designated. One can make arguments for and against both approaches. |
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| Jan-11-10 | | waddayaplay: <re: eco>
Why not simply take the position by ECO moves as the last position to search for? So only if a position exactly like the diagram at Ruy Lopez, Closed, Smyslov Defense (c93) exist does it become C93. There are lots of games in the closed Spanish that include the moves ..h6, ..Re8, ..Bf8, etc. It becomes impossible to keep track of which variation is which. I don't think that there are move sequences with different ECO codes that lead to the same position? |
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| Jan-11-10 | | waddayaplay: with move sequence I mean only the moves at http://www.chessgames.com/chessecoh... with no additional moves I must say I don't like to classify games in openings different from the ones played. (1) It will mess up statistics for individual players, for example 1.c4 players will have games played in Sicilian. (2) It will mess up the statistics for certain openings, so that games with 9. ..Re8 in the Ruy Lopez might be counted among games in the Smyslov variation (9. ..h6), despite Re8 being considered a different and superior move. |
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| Jan-11-10 | | suenteus po 147: <chessgames.com> I just submitted a game (Ehlvest-Timman, 1989) to the database via the PGN Upload Utility but it will need to be pushed through by an admin as it is nearly identical to the score of this game: A Lanc vs I Stohl, 1989 Many thanks! |
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| Jan-11-10 | | whatthefat: <chessgames.com>
Linking to kibitzing in the Battle of the Brains 3 game still seems to be faulty. If I click on the link in my profile under <whatthefat has kibitzed 6652 times to chessgames> I am taken to the most recent page of the contest rather than my post, which means I have to then backtrack to find where I was up to. I'm guessing this may have been implemented to prevent errors arising from clicking on a link to a post made by a member of the opposing team (e.g., going to page 40 of 17). |
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Jan-12-10
 | | cu8sfan: Thank you, <chessgames.com>! My Paul Morphy shirt arrived today. I'm all smiles. :-) |
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