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Jun-15-11
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  kingscrusher: Hi Chessgames

One issue I noticed with that Silverlight is that the Ipad doesn't work with it - mind you Ipads and Iphones lock out Flash as well. This might change at some point soon.

Anyway, onto another idea I had this morning - I have a popular Sicilian defence page on Facebook, and I wanted to be able to show the latest Sicilian defence games. On the front page of Chessgames.com is the Latest games from latest tournaments on the left.

Have you thought about a combo box for "Opening fans" - maybe as experiment just 4 major opening systems such as:

Sicilian defence
French defence
Kings Indian Defence
Slav defence

And put these into a combo box on the left with "Latest games with this Opening.."

So someone can click to see the latest high level games with the Sicilian defence - maybe just decisive wins where both players were over 2500?!

Jun-15-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  Domdaniel: <Sicilian defence
French defence
Kings Indian Defence
Slav defence >

This shortlist omits both the Spanish and the Catalan. Both very popular. Is it an anti-Iberian thing?

I'd like to see some Grunfelds, but half of them get lumped in with the E60 King's Indian anyway.

It's an idea, though.

Jun-15-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: If there are still any mistakes with the new "CG.com Masters-Machines Invitational", please use correction slips. The User: CG Librarian knows to give them top priority. If we only go by things in this forum, it's hard to keep track of which mistakes have been tended to and which are still pending.
Jun-15-11
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  chessgames.com: <kingscrusher> I doubt Silverlight will ever work with the iPad; Microsoft would love nothing more than to see Apple products unable to use a huge slice of web content ;-)

Of course I'm sure you know it is possible to find "latest Sicilian games" if you relax your definition of "latest" to mean "anytime in 2011". But what you are essentially asking for is a way to slice the date field more finely than the yearly chunks.

A simpleminded approach would be to make a new checkbox called "game played in last 30 days". In a more advanced system, the exact number of days could be specified. That checkbox might have other handy uses too—if you just want to see what's new in the world of chess it would be a very nice way to do it. After all, we sometimes have new games from tournaments that don't get put in the spotlight on our homepage, but they are in the database nonetheless.

Changes to the homepage search are complicated however. We do have intentions to make a major update to the advanced search engine, and the idea of fine-tuned date searching is not bad. We will keep that in mind and thank you for the idea.

Jun-15-11
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  chessgames.com: Next: <kutztown46: Those of us who participated in CG.com Masters vs. Machines Invitational (2011) have already posted a considerable amount of analysis on the games in this tournament. I estimate several dozen posts spread out over four or five forums. Now that there are pages for each of these games, that is obviously where the analyses should reside.>

Agreed.

<Instead of linking to the analyses or re-posting them, if we identify which posts at which forums go to which games, would you be able and willing to copy all of the posts including diagrams and place them with the appropriate games?>

Hoo boy.

We really want to do this, but the logistics are important to work out, lest we end up spending a week on the project. The main problem is: how do you describe to us which posts you want to move, and to where to move them to?

When admins click on a "delete" link on a post they see a special link on the confirmation page that other users don't see. This link allows them to move the post from the current thread to somewhere else on the site.

What I'm thinking is that we could use those delete links to be able to do this efficiently, and it will also have the added advantage of ensuring that everybody who is moving a message understands what's going on. Let's go through an example:

Suppose that this message:

AylerKupp chessforum

should be moved to this game:

Golden Executive / Houdini vs Kutztown46 / Stockfish, 2011

I'd like to ask AylerKupp to go in there and click on the "delete" link to get this URL:

www.chessgames.com/perl/kill?kid=U978&reply=263

DO NOT DELETE THE MESSAGE! — I am asking the chessforum owners to go there just to get that URL, no other reason. Then copy and paste the URL into an email along with the game # that it should go to and send it to chess@chessgames.com. I imagine the email to contain a number of instructions, one per line, that look something like this

www.chessgames.com/perl/kill?kid=U978&reply=263 -> G1625067

The exact format isn't critical, as long as it has the delete link and the game # to send it to.

When providing the instructions via email it is also important to put them in the right order. Moved messages will lose their chronological ordering and show up in the order that the admin moved them. So it's probably a good idea to list the messages in chronological order (unless for some reason you think there is a better order).

I know that AylerKupp isn't the only person involved, but since we are removing messages from members' chessforums, asking them all to gather up "delete links" is a way to ensure that we are acting with their full approval. Plus it will make the admin's job 10 times easier.

Finally let me say that it's our policy to NOT do things like this—this is clearly an exceptional measure. Please don't ask us to move messages around on a regular basis. Having said that, we're looking forward to your emails.

Jun-15-11  chessmoron: <If there are still any mistakes with the new "CG.com Masters-Machines Invitational", please use correction slips.> Done.
Jun-15-11
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  kutztown46: <chessgames.com> Thanks for the prompt reply. I was thinking we could use the "search kibitzing" feature to find the correct link for each post. Also, one meticulous, detail-oriented person should work on this. It will be important to keep the posts in the correct order. Some of the analysis was posted at <wwall>'s forum, and I know he is an infrequent visitor.

I will take this up with <AylerKupp>. Either he will do it or I will do it, or we will split the duty (six games each, for example).

Is this an acceptable approach?

Jun-15-11
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  chessgames.com: <one meticulous, detail-oriented person should work on this>

Hmmm, I see what you are saying and I agree.

So using the Search Kibitzing instead of having the forum owners separately find the delete links would work just as well. We'll end up with the same information (just a different script being called). So then lines in the aforementioned email would then look similar to this

chessgames.com/perl/kibitzing?kid=U978&reply=263-
-> G1625067

(You could even be a dear and change that "kibitzing" into "kill" for us.)

But there is still one big issue: CG has learned that people feel a great pride of ownership over their chessforum, so we treat it like somebody else's physical property. I wouldn't feel comfortable moving the posts until I was sure that everybody knows what's going on. So just point them to these posts if they aren't reading already.

Jun-15-11
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  kutztown46: <cg> Thanks. I will work on it and get back to you.
Jun-16-11  Open Defence: <cg.com> would you need the forum owners themselves to send you the emails ?
Jun-16-11  crawfb5: <But there is still one big issue: CG has learned that people feel a great pride of ownership over their chessforum, so we treat it like somebody else's physical property. I wouldn't feel comfortable moving the posts until I was sure that everybody knows what's going on.>

Perhaps then <copy> instead of <move>?

Jun-16-11  shivasuri4: <chessgames.com> , why are so many fora still locked for the Chessgames Challenge analysis?The correspondence game between Natalia Pogonina and the CG members ended a long time ago,didn't it?
Jun-16-11
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  chessgames.com: <Open Defence: <cg.com> would you need the forum owners themselves to send you the emails?> No that's not necessary, nor am I asking everybody to make a post here giving permission. As long as you or kutztown can say with certainty that everybody knows what's going on, then I take you at your word.

<Perhaps then <copy> instead of <move>?> I thought of that, but moving it just makes more sense. Plus it frees up some disk space :)

Jun-16-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: <shivasuri4> <why are so many fora still locked for the Chessgames Challenge analysis? The correspondence game between Natalia Pogonina and the CG members ended a long time ago, didn't it?>

That is controlled from a premium-only feature called the Chessforum Configuration Page. I would guess the forum owners either forgot to unlock them or just don't regard it as very important.

Plus, in the not-so-distant future there will be a new Chessgames Challenge and then those forums will no doubt spring back to life.

By the way, we already have the next GM lined up. The official announcement of the next Chessgames Challenge will come with the Summer Newsletter that should be emailed in July.

Jun-16-11
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  kutztown46: <deffi> You do not need to do anything - either <AK> or I (or both of us) will take care of it.

<CG> I am just waiting to hear from <AylerKupp> and <wwall>. Then we can get started.

Jun-16-11  shivasuri4: <chessgames.com> ,as noted in the Carlsen forum by <patternmaster> , Nisipeanu's current rating is 2662 and not 2659.
Jun-16-11  bartonlaos: <CG> I don't know if you guys are aware of it or not, but some of the players here decided to call a truce in their animosity toward AJ Goldsby. Unfortunately the truce has all but dissolved creating many more conflicts than had originally started.

My question is that in the face of this failure, would you guys mind reconsidering the implementation of AJ Goldsby's request to moderate his own games? Just on a trial basis - not the games that he currently has in the database, but for the next few games he might include in a future upload, just to see how it goes. Thanks!

Jun-16-11  hms123: <bartonlaos>

First, I don't think that players should be able to change the historical record on their games.

Second, I am under the impression that the truce is fragile, but surviving.

Third, it needs a chance to work on its own.

Fourth, if the admins want to go in and clean up the kibitzing on the games that's fine with me. At least it would be done objectively.

Jun-16-11  suenteus po 147: <chessgames.com> I think a game I submitted, Georgiev-Beliavsky, D58 1/2 from the tenth round of Biel 1992 might have gotten flagged as a duplicate when I submitted it since it shares more than the twenty first moves of two other games in the database. If you could process it for me, that would be terrific! Thanks.
Jun-16-11
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  chessgames.com: <shivasuri4: <chessgames.com> ,as noted in the Carlsen forum by <patternmaster> , Nisipeanu's current rating is 2662 and not 2659.> We have 2659 as the official rating from the file FIDE published in May, 2011. I just went to FIDE's website and see now that you are right, they list him as 2662. What gives? Did he have a game result reversed?
Jun-16-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: Can I do a search for games between 2 players that limit to say, "Only Rapid" or "Exclude Blindfold" or "Only Classical" etc?
Jun-16-11  bartonlaos: <hms123> Let me take the last part first.

<4. Admins clean up the kibitzing 3. It needs a chance to work on its own 2. The truce is fragile but surviving>

These three points are connected by an assumption that the focus of conflict can be resolved by truce. Unfortunately the major disputes that surround AJ Goldsby will require too many site resources to continually police, because they are not of the kind that can be brokered. That's why I'm asking for the admins to reconsider their position, because these areas require more leverage than a simple truce to resolve:

1. His uploading games against strongly outclassed opponents.

2. His insisting that GM Nakamura is a cheater.

3. His rejoicing in the fact that gays will burn eternally in Hell.

It's obvious that the truce will do nothing to stem the flow of conflict arising from these disputes, but is succeeding in creating more differences between members. So another solution is needed.

A trial period could be granted to AJ for kibitzing-control of future uploaded games where he has outclassed his opponent - using this as leverage that he recants his position on Nakamura, and promises not to take part in conversations against the LGBT community.

<First, I don't think that players should be able to change the historical record on their games. >

A few games from future uploads will work for a trial since they contain no kibitzing. As such, they do not take anything away from the current database. If things don't work, kibitzing resumes on those games in the normal fashion - as if they had been uploaded at a later date.

Jun-16-11
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  OhioChessFan: <bl: That's why I'm asking for the admins to reconsider their position, because these areas require more leverage than a simple truce to resolve:

1. His uploading games against strongly outclassed opponents.

2. His insisting that GM Nakamura is a cheater.

3. His rejoicing in the fact that gays will burn eternally in Hell. >

Baloney. So if he uploads a game some arbitrary kibitzer doesn't think is high quality enough, that game is fair game for 20 pages of violations of Rule #3? So if he strongly suggested Nakamura cheated, it is rational to allow open ended discussion of that for years on end? So if he one time claimed a religious viewpoint you don't agree with, you are free to violate Rule #3 at a whim, for an indefinite period of time, and an indefinite number of posts? You, sir, are the problem here, and this post is the <perfect> example of where most of the problem lies.

Jun-16-11
Premium Chessgames Member
  jessicafischerqueen: <OhioChessFan>

+500

Jun-16-11  bartonlaos: <OCF -Baloney. So if he uploads a game some arbitrary kibitzer doesn't think is high quality enough, that game is fair game for 20 pages of violations of Rule #3? >

Uploading games where the disparity of rating is hundreds of points is the source of conflict. I say nothing of whether that conflict is fair. I've only said you can't broker a truce from it. The next time he uploads such a game the conflict will start all over again.

<So if he strongly suggested Nakamura cheated, it is rational to allow open ended discussion of that for years on end?>

It's not whether it's rational to allow it, but whether it occurs because of it.

<So if he one time claimed a religious viewpoint you don't agree with, you are free to violate Rule #3 at a whim, for an indefinite period of time, and an indefinite number of posts?>

It's not whether one is free to disagree, but that such a viewpoint creates a conflict that cannot be brokered by a simple truce.

< You, sir, are the problem here, and this post is the <perfect> example of where most of the problem lies.>

Why are you so defensive? You've just initiated conflict by failing to understand any of this.

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