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| Oct-21-13 | | Robed.Bishop: Freedom of speech is a great liberty, one of the liberties that separates free countries from repressed countries. But the freedom also comes with responsibilities and the freedom is not without bounds. The question here isn't whether we should have freedom of speech, we do, but what responsibilities do we have with it and what are the bounds? Sure, we have a small set of guidelines that for the most part keep order. But AJ is way past that. At this point the only remaining question is the consequence for endless violations. |
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| Oct-21-13 | | TheFocus: <Admins> Here is a suggestion: Why don't you permanently highlight <AJ>'s posts in gold so that we can easily recognize them? I mean, aside from the stench, of course. |
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Oct-22-13
 | | chessgames.com: Whatever actions we may or may not decide to perform, the determination won't be made by petitions on this forum. This forum is not a courtroom. |
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| Oct-22-13 | | TheFocus: Surely you can see what your action/inactions are doing to your site. You do realize that people are planning to not renew their memberships don't you? How do you think it makes Premium Members feel when <AJ> can come in here on your own page, insult members, and then you only delete their responses to his attacks and leave his attacks alone? HYPOCRITE is an ugly word, don't you think?
Where in your logic does that make any sense?
There must be a gold-framed picture on the wall of <CG>'s Headquarters wall. |
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| Oct-22-13 | | Thanh Phan: I think much of the problem is the posting guidelines were ignored by an individual possibly over 10 years, There is nothing for us to understand the reasoning behind their continual stay here after witnessing some of their kibitzing, Individual privacy and any actions taken should be kept still, Is there a way you could possibly explain what leads to a ban? Since some of us wonder why at least one person remains on a family friendly site |
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Oct-22-13
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <hms123: <<Dom> It pains me to disagree with you. <He usually only gets nasty when somebody attacks him> He usually only gets nasty when <he perceives> (rightly or wrongly) that <somebody attacks him>. His hypersensitivity to the perception of attack and his over-the-top responses are the real problem.> >A prime example would be his attacks on homosexuals, who have terribly offended him by daring to exist. <chessgames.com: Whatever actions we may or may not decide to perform, the determination won't be made by petitions on this forum. This forum is not a courtroom.> I think we've all figured that out, but people want to raise matters like this <somewhere>, and by now they've found the officially supported methods of e-mailing you or blowing the whistle achieve even less than petitions here. |
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Oct-22-13
 | | keypusher: Free speech is nice...but there seems to be more of for some than for others. AJ and hayton3 had a long vendetta, but it was hayton who got banned. RedShield/BlackFront/WMD/whatever else he calls himself gets banned periodically for racist and sexist language, but not AJ. And if we're going to give credit to AJ for his chess-related posts, well, RedShield posts about chess too, and he actually knows a thing or two about it. |
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Oct-22-13
 | | Domdaniel: < Here is a suggestion: Why don't you permanently highlight <AJ>'s posts in gold so that we can easily recognize them?>
Maybe pink would be better, in honour of his stance on gays. I don't exactly enjoy defending AJ, y'know. But somebody has to. |
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| Oct-22-13 | | Robed.Bishop: <Domdaniel: I don't exactly enjoy defending AJ, y'know. But somebody has to.> That would be true if this were a courtroom, but it isn't. Further, AJ has defended himself in court as has been documented and described in his writings. |
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| Oct-22-13 | | TheFocus: <Domdaniel> <I don't exactly enjoy defending AJ, y'know. But somebody has to.> You are a true martyr. Your name will be written in the Book of Life. Below <AJ>'s of course. |
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| Oct-22-13 | | rogge: That's the title of your long-awaited book? |
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| Oct-22-13 | | TheFocus: No. According to <mark>, the title is "Book of Lies." |
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| Oct-22-13 | | whiteshark: <ceegee> Tal♔ 'bout books: How does your recent <to do list> looks like? |
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Oct-23-13
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Premium Chessgames Member whiteshark: <ceegee> TalK 'bout books: How does your recent <to do list> looks like?>Yes, I would love it if you made me an official page! I would feel like Pinocchio when you turned him into a real boy. Did <hms123> send you that FAQ information you were asking for a few months ago? Do you need any more information before making me a real boy? Best regards,
Mrs. Pinocchio (chess books division) |
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| Oct-23-13 | | King Sacrificer: I updated Java yesterday and now i'm getting security warning everytime i open a new game page. Java has disabled the option to remove the warning permanently. Will chessgames.com acquire the certificate as a trusted site? |
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| Oct-23-13 | | hms123: <jessicaCBFqueen>
Not yet. I am still slacking, but hope to change my ways soon. |
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Oct-23-13
 | | WCC Editing Project: <H> What is this "CBF" you speak of? This better not be more of your Nashville Ham Radio lingo. |
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| Oct-23-13 | | hms123: <jess> I will answer later--too busy slacking right now. |
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| Oct-23-13 | | Karpova: Domdaniel: <I don't exactly enjoy defending AJ, y'know. But somebody has to> And you do an admirable job, no doubt.
First of all, you narrowed down the discussion to the question of whether to ban him or not. This was a stroke of genius, as you could now play the <Freedom of Speech card> (btw, the complaints and criticism here are also covered by freedom of speech). I fear that no place on earth lives up to your high standards of freedom of speech or is there any country not sanctioning disgusting insults as they have been uttered by your client for the last 10 years? Would you walk up to a stranger on the street and tell him that he should bunjee jump without a rope or that you would like to beat him up (I do not recommend testing the boundaries of free speech that way and am not liable in case of resulting trials or stays in hospital)? There are certainly other possibilities than banning your client completely. But at least it is a more than valid question why there has been a double-standard in effect for the last 10 years, which granted your client almost complete protection, while several other members were banned. But who I am telling that? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you have first-hand experience that <chessgames.com> bans people, <Domdaniel>. Then you went on to greatly exaggerate your client's contribution to this site. Even if the point was granted you, this does not allow for treatment of others as if they deserved no respect and were not equally human beings, who had to swallow everything. And <chessgames.com> seems to be of the same opinion as <keypusher> pointed out in some examples already. People who contributed in much shorter time much more valuable information than your client (this does not mean that I share all their views, especially outside chess). It has to be admitted that your client is stronger than the average amateur, especially when using Fritz 13. So his analytical work is of some merit and deserves such. And he also submitted games to the database and not all of them are wins against people rated 1500 (USCF rating). He also tries to clean the database from obviously wrong game scores (i. e. his losses). Yet we should not act as if your client was the only kibitzer here and his work pales in comparison to other analysts' work. I don't want to create the impression that it should be dismissed out of hand. But a certain tendency of glorifying it has been noticable (e. g. when your client posts a statement which repeats what had been said before and you act as if he had just revealed a great truth). His contributions to chess history are of such quality that <chessgames.com> would be better off without them. However, neither positive contribution nor the lack thereof should be decisive. But I don't want to leave your last assertion unchallenged either (we all embrace freedom of speech, don't we?). You say that it is your duty to defend him as no one else does. Your client could do that himself. Although not even a defense would be necessary, but maybe just an explanation. A mere explanation why he treats others the way he does. An explanation which contains more than that all the others were just trolls who should be banned. Anyway, the freedom of speech argument loses most of its force when you review the discussion and see that a ban was not actually demanded but rather bafflement expressed and explanations sought. It loses the rest of its force, when you keep in mind that this site is a private enterprise and not a country. And freedom of speech is also restricted to avoid off-topic discussions (non-chess related) on most pages or advertising (will you start critcising these restrictions also?). And insulting others is, allegedly, also not allowed. Although the impression has not always been created, the expression of valid criticism and questions of members is hopefully possible and actually endorsed. I believe that <chessgames.com> can hardly do without it (but basically any person or institution in the widest sense). Especially if members are unsure whether to contribute financially to the site in the future or in any other way. Or if they should remain on the site at all. |
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| Oct-23-13 | | Thanh Phan: <Karpova> Are
You
Kidding
Me? |
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| Oct-23-13 | | MarkFinan: <TheFocus: <Admins> Here is a suggestion: Why don't you permanently highlight <AJ>'s posts in gold so that we can easily recognize them?
I mean, aside from the stench, of course.>
Why not highlight <TheLyingAuthorcus> posts in a lovely dog muck brown colour, representing the things he posts on this site?
All this talk about NN1 when <TheDrunkenWannabeAuthorcus> is ten times worse! He promised to give AJ, "No mercy No quarter", so im passing on this promise to him. How some people give him a pass for BS, and not AJ I just don't understand. |
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| Oct-23-13 | | Colonel Mortimer: Banning <AJ>? Well that's an operational decision to be taken by Mr Freeman. Nothing to do with free speech at all.
And given that <hayton3> was permanently banned, I'll auto credit myself with some knowledge in this area. Personally speaking however, Mr Goldsby does seem to have a gilded gift for breaking the rules on this site with relative impunity. Relative being the operative word. He has not fared better on any other site since the dawn of the internet. But never forget, the 'rules' are fairly relaxed here, thankfully. |
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Oct-23-13
 | | Annie K.: Hmm, I'm starting to think that keeping AJ around (aside from all other considerations) has the highly valuable attribute of spotlighting the most negatively-oriented personalities on this site. Such obsession with the hatred of one miserable, mentally handicapped wretch... not a pretty sight. |
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Oct-23-13
 | | WannaBe: More news on FireFox and Java:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/20... |
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| Oct-23-13 | | Robed.Bishop: <Annie K.: miserable, mentally handicapped wretch...> I do believe that is a violation of the posting guidelines. |
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