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Feb-20-15
 | | FSR: <Tabanus> Why should anyone bother doing tournament collections? As it currently stands, none of them can ever be promoted. |
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| Feb-20-15 | | zanzibar: <FSR> why should anyone do anything on <CG> if their work can be corrupted without any chance of even knowing? |
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Feb-20-15
 | | Tabanus: <Given the alternative of hiring <a frantic admin to delete all such stuff from all player pages>... well, at least it wouldn't "throw the baby out with the bath water".> Hmm I got another idea. Suppose CG can afford to hire a crap deleter. She (or he) would 1) look on posts older than say 1 year only. Then she would 2) <flag> the posts that she wanted deleted (by a swift click) and a tiny symbol that we all can see next to the post would be made. Seeing this flag we would know that the post would be 3) deleted automatically say 1 year later. In case of protests, the post could be unflagged again. This would (or at least should) not affect the "live" kibitzing (socializing) in any way because the posts are already old. Nor would it affect current TA (which CG now has other measures against). It would deal only with the <old> stuff that has accumulated on the player pages. The crap deleter should probably not concentrate on "off-topic" posts because many of these are still good-natured or funny, or even informative. She should probably concentrate on borderline disrespectful posts, and posts of the "ass wipe" kind. Of which there are thousands, but only very few generated each day (on player pages). So that after say a year or two, the site has improved. Would this also be an attack on freedom of speech? I don't think so. |
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Feb-20-15
| | Tabanus: <FSR> They can easily be promoted. We (a few boycotters) are only waiting for CG to evaluate the standard we can expect. And I honestly have no idea what they will say. It's certainly not easy to be both an "online community" and a "Wikipedia" at the same time. |
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Feb-20-15
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<Tab>
I'm intrigued by <the "ass wipe" kind>, not least because it sounds like the title of a fine film I recently saw. What would be the defining characteristics of this kind of post? |
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Feb-20-15
| | Tabanus: <jess> I'm sure a balanced crap deleter could find a good definition for her-/himself. |
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| Feb-20-15 | | lainulo: Hi ceegee!
Please cover this event instead.
<Bunratty Weekender 2015
20th. to 22nd. February 2015
IRELAND
Playing Schedule (Ireland time)
Rd. 1: Fri. 20/02/2015 - 8.00 p.m.
Rd. 2: Sat. 21/02/2015 - 9.30 a.m.
Rd. 3: Sat. 21/02/2015 - 2.00 p.m.
Rd. 4: Sat. 21/02/2015 - 6.30 p.m.
Rd. 5: Sun. 22/02/2015 - 9.15 a.m.
Rd. 6: Sun. 22/02/2015 - 1.45 p.m>
Thanks in advance. |
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| Feb-20-15 | | zanzibar: <Tab> Who really cares what was written a year ago on a forum page? So why even bother to delete it? Moreover, how does deleting it, after allowing it to foul the air for a year, improve <CG>? Almost nobody goes back to read that stuff unless they're looking for: - actual content (then a filter would be as good/better), - ammunition for verbal battle (as in he/she said),
- or to study a particular personage (in which case deleting is actually detrimental). Anyways, the entire discussion is academic, as <CG> is unlikely to hire a cleaner/fixer for the forums, nor likely to add filters. Ignoring and pita points seem to be "best practice". |
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Feb-20-15
| | Tabanus: <zanzibar> If you gotta ask, you'll never know. And ignoring does not remove one @#$%. Go on then. Drop your disrespectful posts on all players from Iceland, Finland, Hungary, Norway, etc. etc. And don't forget Korea and Vietnam. Perhaps you'll even be proud. |
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| Feb-20-15 | | thegoodanarchist: < chessgames.com: I should make it so that you can voluntarily delete your own pun submissions.> Yes, you should! I have submitted some lame ones that I regret submitting. Would like to expunge the evidence of my failure :) |
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Feb-20-15
| | FSR: Yes, the ability to delete one's own puns would definitely be a good feature to have. |
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Feb-20-15
 | | Annie K.: It would be a more effective feature if we had a way to tell how well (or badly) our pun was doing in the voting booth. ;s I suspect quite a few pun submitters are given to bouts of impatience, and might prematurely delete well-scoring puns that cg just didn't have time to use yet. |
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Feb-20-15
| | FSR: <Annie K.> That is certainly possible. Like fine wine, a pun often ages for years before being used. Some of mine have languished for over two years before making the big time. By that time, I sometimes forget that I was the one who proposed the pun. |
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Feb-20-15
| | Annie K.: Yeah, some of mine too. :)
Hmmm, maybe a Delete button that only showed up for puns with a decidedly negative Booth score...? |
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| Feb-20-15 | | zanzibar: <<Tab> <zanzibar> If you gotta ask, you'll never know. And ignoring does not remove one @#$%. Go on then. Drop your disrespectful posts on all players from Iceland, Finland, Hungary, Norway, etc. etc. And don't forget Korea and Vietnam. Perhaps you'll even be proud.> I might be having a bad day here on <CG>... it happens. But are you suggesting that I, personally, have made disrepectful posts here on <CG>? I might be prone to some tongue-in-cheek now and again, but I'd like to see a case where I've ever made a disrepectful statement against any player. Maybe you should start your own website, or even blog, and run it as you think best. You could even write your posts in your native Norwegian, which would probably be more rewarding for you. Your countrymen would then sing your praises, from fjord to mountaintop. Think of it - you could just hand the Norwegian text over to <OCF> to google translate it for <CG>. The tables turned, you could then be the editor and he the writer/translator. (And, as we all know, it's much easier to do an edit than to actually write the thing up in the first place.) * * * * *
I regret bringing up the entire subject since it seems that you're just rehashing your dissatisfaction all over again - and not even considering any of the merits/shortcomings of the filter idea. Plus, some of your frustration seems to be directly aimed at me. I was trying to be helpful - which is when I often get in the most trouble. . |
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Feb-20-15
 | | chessgames.com: On the subject of <crap deleting> I have two comments: #1 — To my knowledge, no medium-to-large sized internet site has a team of people hired for the purpose of constantly scouring the forums and deleting "crap posts". It comes down to economics. A single prolific "crap poster" could cost easily CG $10-$20 dollars a day. A group of them would put us out of business. The only sites that operate on that model are very small communities with a few dozen people with a one or two volunteer admins. #2 — I believe we've already stumbled upon a viable solution to the problem in previous discussions, which (for lack of more creative terminology) I called "side discussions." With side discussions in place, if somebody posts puerile nonsense to GM Helgi Gretarsson's page we need not delete it, we just move it to the side discussion. Even GM Rogoff will be able to get a fresh start and a blank slate—for discussing Rogoff ONLY—and all of the other kibitzing will be shuffled to the side-discussion. In short, I have high hopes for the idea of side-discussions. Until that day comes, just avoid pages like Tomislav Music and Hans-Joachim Federer. |
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| Feb-20-15 | | zanzibar: One man's side discussions is another man's easter eggs: Doll (kibitz #416) |
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Feb-20-15
| | Annie K.: <zanzibar> I think <Tabanus> just confused you with <FSR> for a minute there. BTW, peacemaking is often the riskiest of all positions to hold. ;s <cg> I like the side discussions idea too. :) |
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Feb-20-15
| | Annie K.: <cg> On a totally different subject: the Kibitzing Search - we can already exclude posts by a given user with the - sign (i.e., search X -user:Y). Any chance that the - could work to exclude specific keywords as well, not just users? :) |
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Feb-21-15
| | Tabanus: <zanzibar> My bad English, sorry! I did not mean <you> personally. In anger I meant all of <you>, i. e. the ones who can't see any problem with the kibitzing on players like for example Sabih Alam Butt. And as I've said before, there are now thousands of pages like this. <and all of the other kibitzing will be shuffled to the side-discussion.> This sounds more time-consuming and costly that just deletion. So the kibitzing on the Butt page will be moved to a side-discussion? Come on. Also I think the argument that Butt is an insignificant player is not valid. Suppose he is the best player in a Pakistani club with 100 members, and other members of this club have similar pages. Plus that some of them may not be fond of Americans from before. Perhaps Mr. Butt would feel that <his> freedom of speech was suppressed, if he saw his page? <a viable solution to the problem> At least you see it as a problem! Not sure if you see it as a problem for little known players though. And as to the members that pat your back daily here in this forum, I've not seen even one yet seeing it as a problem. <A single prolific "crap poster" could cost easily CG $10-$20 dollars a day.> Right, and that's why I suggested to use one of <us>, for free! Not necessarily a prolific member, but I guess it should be unknown to the rest who it was. Okay, if your culture doesn't allow for deletion but only moving to a side-discussion, it's certainly better than nothing. But I'd prefer to see the old socializing on the Butt page deleted. |
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Feb-21-15
| | chessgames.com: I think you are exaggerating when you say there are thousands of pages like that, at least I hope you are, but there certainly are scores of them. Identifying them is one of the hard parts. Such a list will be invaluable when side-discussions are implemented. |
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Feb-21-15
| | Tabanus: <cg> Hundreds, at least. I get a little carried away here. But probably thousands with min. one post to be transferred. Your site has sooo great potential for the future, if only it could look more serious and appealing to the general public. |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Jim Bartle: If people took over these pages for a different reason and ignored the players themselves ten years ago, I understand the complaint. But to complain when a player page is used for a different reason (as recently happened on a Carroll page) when there have been ZERO POSTS about that player in 12 years, it just comes off as phony. If anybody wanted to discuss these players, they would have done it earlier. |
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Feb-21-15
| | Tabanus: Another one for the side-discussions: Mikkel Strange. <Jim Bartle> Bad excuse. For example, it took some time before any kibitzing on your Charles A Gilberg. And here the kibitzing is how it should be on all pages, according to CG's "This forum is for this specific player and nothing else." |
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| Feb-21-15 | | Abdel Irada: A while back I suggested that a certain treatment for trolls was the only real way to silence them. Now it appears that with the PITA system, this really is what enough people putting someone on ignore amounts to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYJ....
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