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May-14-15
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  Stonehenge: <I enabled "square highlighting" in pgn4web>

How can I turn off this annoying thing?

May-14-15
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  Annie K.: <cg and all>: as <Fairy Promotion> just pointed out at today's GotD, it is already possible to turn off the highlighting, by clicking the d7 square! :)
May-14-15
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  Stonehenge: Thanks :)
May-14-15
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  Stonehenge: But it's still annoying that I have to that every new game.
May-14-15
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  Fusilli: Thank you for the new feature on the POTD! Awesome!

About the last move highlighting. I don't like highlighting in general, ever (I find it distracting), but here I can barely notice it since it is so faint. So, in this case, it doesn't bother me. But if it were brighter or more obvious, it would.

I totally second, or third, or four, or whatever, the motion to have a new Caruana photo!

May-14-15  zanzibar: <<I'd like to see the games sorted by round, e.g.

Buenos Aires (1970)/Robert James Fischer>

I'm confused--those are sorted perfectly by round. (Maybe somebody added the date information after your post?)>

Well, there may be some confusion from the fact that <Buenos Aires (1970)> had about 50% of the games missing round number - until yesterday.

That may thrown the sorting off from what I was expecting, leading to my inquiry.

<In any case, you are right that if the date is known but the rounds are known, it won't sort properly. In fact it won't sort at all, except by the year.>

Before commenting on this, is there a typo?

<I am contemplating a kind of compound field the incorporates the date (if known), and the tournament (even if the date is unknown), and the round number, so that every game can have an integer that represents its proper order in a sequence. I think that would work better than simply sorting on date, especially in cases where we have only partial information. If nothing else, that would force it to group like tournaments together in general searches.>

Yes, grouping a player's tournament games together in a generic list would be the top-priority.

(Normally a tournament would be Event/Site/EventDate, but CG could/should have a tournament index for each game).

Then the next ordering priority should be by round number - if known.

(Often tournaments have delayed games played later - rarely does anybody list the game chronologically. In fact, does any publication do so?)

* * * * *

The concept of each game having a tournament index (which could be -1, if unassigned) is important for maintenance of the integrity of the database.

A topic to which I'll return at some point, I'm sure.

May-14-15  zanzibar: <Stonehenge: But it's still annoying that I have to that every new game.>

Ah, a man (or kitten) after my own heart.

And thx to <fairypromotion> for the tip - I missed it going through the 100 or so key shortcuts hidden on the board.

May-14-15
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  chessgames.com: <But it's still annoying that I have to that every new game.>

<About the last move highlighting. I don't like highlighting in general, ever (I find it distracting)>

We've received two emails asking us how to turn it off, as well.

I just disabled it and if it returns it will be in the form of an option. Those who are in love with it can press d7 in the meantime. Thanks for pointing that out!

May-14-15
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  chessgames.com: <<In any case, you are right that if the date is known but the rounds are known, it won't sort properly. In fact it won't sort at all, except by the year.>

Before commenting on this, is there a typo?>>

Yes, I meant to say "if the date is <not> known but the rounds are known."

<The concept of each game having a tournament index (which could be -1, if unassigned) is important for maintenance of the integrity of the database. A topic to which I'll return at some point, I'm sure.>

Please do. I'm not sure if I agree with you but I appreciate your technical input. As things stand each game has a tournament number (no NULLs or -1s) but some tournaments are not "tournament index" tournaments. So the field you speak of does not exist, but could be computed.

May-14-15
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  Fusilli: There are nice portrait photos of Caruana (as well as of the other players who played in the Sinquefield Cup last year) here:

http://www.uschesschamps.com/sinque...

Maybe <CG> could ask uschesschamps.com for permission to repost a photo?

May-15-15  zanzibar: <chessgames> Right, the corrected text did apply to the to the old situation.

We can revisit the sorting issue again later. It's not a big priority - though it really would be helpful to group by Event/Site (and then sort by Round/Date) when looking at just a single player's games.

I recall our previous discussions with the tournament number, i.e., some internal index <CG> uses.

The tournament index I've talking about is the tid used to organize the promoted tournaments.

E.g. Staunton vs Saint Amant (1843) being tid=79243

The tournaments have a forward link to the games, I think the games should have a backwards link to the tournaments.

This backlink would be quite useful in preserving tournament integrity, since it could be used to enforce more rigorous/cautious updating of the PGN.

A subject for more discussion later.

May-15-15  Abdel Irada: <WannaBe: I got Marquis Escape All/Worldly, on a word-by-word translation.>

You may well be correct. Since intonations aren't shown on player names here, I may have picked the wrong form of one or more elements of her name.

But I have to admit that I'd never thought of "Marquis" as part of a Chinese name. :-D

May-15-15
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  Domdaniel: <To the person who submitted it (you know who you are)>

Braun Knows?

Wasn't me ... I don't know who I am.

May-16-15  zanzibar: <chessgames>-

Is it legal for PGN to use '[' instead of '{'

I don't think so, even though SCID and pgn4web both seem smart enough to handle it, but my program chokes on it.

If it isn't legal, then I don't think CG should use it.

I wanted to double-check here first before submitting a correction slip though.

Example games are fortunately few, so far I have: 1042345, 1071311

Capablanca vs Euwe, 1931
Krogius vs Keene, 1970

May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: <Is it legal for PGN to use '[' instead of '{'>

Absolutely not, but it's our preferred symbol to use *inside* of notes, because we used to use a PGN viewer (MyChess) which would get confused when parentheses where inside braces.

May-16-15
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  Penguincw: Uh, <cg>, I just realized this, but the live broadcast <should> have MVL taking white, not the other way around. :)
May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: Oops, thanks.
May-16-15  zanzibar: <RE: "[" vs "{">

<chessgames> thanks, that's what I thought.

And you're right, "[" and "]" tokens are allowed inside comments.

I might have been chasing a red herring - I think I found the problem but have to "unwind the stack" to see how it came about. Those two games probably shouldn't have been cited. But thanks for looking.

And while you're here- there might be a related problem(?), missing <EventDate> tags.

I don't think <EventDate> is mandated by the standard, but for tournaments it probably should have been. My experience is that the tag is always present (and my sentiment is that it should be).

However these three games don't seem to have it:

;; <Viktor Korchnoi -- Efim Samoilovich Stoliar 1957 (R1) 28 1-0>

;; <Daniel Stellwagen -- Friso Nijboer 2003 (R5) 69 1-0>

;; <Daniel Stellwagen -- Erwin L'Ami 2003 (R9) 26 1/2-1/2>

Shouldn't they have it?

(Out of 230005 <CG> games I looked at, these are the only ones missing it.)

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-... http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-... http://www.chessgames.com/perl/nph-...

May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: As stated many times in the past, this is NOT a forum for placing requests to ban users.

Feel free to email us on the subject, although I can tell you the answer in advance: just put the person on ignore. That way, those who find him entertaining can continue to enjoy his posts, and to you it will be as if he doesn't exist. Problem solved.

May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: <zanzibar> I believe there are a few anomalous cases due to editors, possibly many years ago, wrongly substituting a user's "corrected PGN" for the PGN in the database. That's a big no-no, as it breaks the consistency of our PGN output. Based on the dates I see in the kibitzing it could have easily have been myself who botched it up.

I would think that pgnfix.pl would right such wrongs, but apparently it doesn't. That would be the best way to address the issue.

Thanks for pointing this out.

May-16-15  crawfb5: Did you recently do something to break hyperlinks for tournament pages? Ok, it's only cosmetic breakage; the link does go to the correct page, but the displayed name is no longer there.

For example:

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

shows as a clickable partial URL and not as <Monte Carlo (1903)>.

I noticed because I'm working on the next WCC intro. I suppose I insert the blue text in the HTML anyway. Just wondering.

May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: I made a change (in an effort to fix a problem) which apparently has a problem. Sorry, I'll tend to it.
May-16-15
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  chessgames.com: testing:

Monte Carlo (1903)

Monte Carlo (1903)

I think it's working now. Thanks.

May-17-15  Abdel Irada: <I would think that pgnfix.pl would right such wrongs, but apparently it doesn't. That would be the best way to address the issue.>

It's been my experience that it's very difficult to set up code-fixing algorithms/search-and-replace strings that anticipate all the ingenious ways people can unwittingly mess up the code. :-D

May-18-15  zanzibar: <RE: Programming bug>

Just as a side note, I tracked down the "[" inside a "{" problem.

My parser normally would handle it OK - but I put in a special case to handle potentially corrupted PGN, where the input parser resynched if a "&lbrack" was found in column 1.

That rationale was to allow for things like a missing "}", or a missing end-result in particular. The idea is to confine the damage to the one game, and pick up fresh on the next.

The trouble now is that legal PGN gets rejected (just the one game). An example is this game:

M Umansky vs Berliner, 2002

Maybe I reformatted the other games in my previous example, and hit the same bug. Right now the easiest fix for me is to just hand edit the square brackets out - I never run MyChess anyways!

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