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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: I'm off to meet a <live Canadian> now. Will try to find out more about this Stephen Harper and Deportments. If Canada stops being civilized it really is the end of wesciv as we know it. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Stonehenge: <Dylan> I know a chap who has played with Dylan, I think it was in Toronto. It's been a while since I saw him, he lives in the States and I in Holland. But I know his parents very well, they live in the same village as me. From what I've heard it was quite difficult to play with Dylan because he just does what him pleases. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> is this CAnadian that Girl you know that you've kept in touch with for ages? Will there be any touching involved?
Mrs. Gossip
Hoot |
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| Jun-28-08 | | mack: <I know a chap who has played with Dylan, I think it was in Toronto> Whaaaaat?! You can't just leave it at that! |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Nope - this is a *new* Canadian called Sam. She's a she, and lives somewhere semi-locally, is all I know so far. She gives great telephone, though: I could listen to a Canadian - well, most Canadians - all day. Seen that "new" old McCarthy game? Doubling the database ... |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Stonehenge: <mack> I mentioned him once before, it's the same chap who got pissed with Shane MacGowan in Dublin. Maybe I see his parents tomorrow. Anyway next time I see them I will ask them for a juicy story or two. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <henge> Getting pissed with Shane is easy. Pick the right week - local media gossip helps here - then just spend two or three nights boozing in any one of three bars which I could name for you. He'll turn up. He'll get pissed. You'll get pissed. The togetherness follows naturally. This works for me, anyhow.
Dylan, however, is a whole nother kettle of aquaceous cuisine. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Head of the Frogs> I am already the first kibbutzer on your new old game!! Canadian girl hint: don't let them touch you unless they pay for the drinks. Canadian girls are as cheap as you let them get away with being. Hoot |
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| Jun-28-08 | | Red October: is she the new Miss Piggy to your FROGSPAWN ? |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Ta. I've added some notes. The Canadienne was as cool as you'd expect, but I forgot to ask about the nasty government. She's been living in Ireland for twelve years anyway, so she knows more about here than there. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: I have invented (yet another) form of chess - and this one turns out to have some intriguing properties. Taking its cue from the aforementioned Elvis Costello song, it is called <King Horse Chess>. The rules are simple. Everything is as normal, but the King moves like a Knight. It is checked etc in the normal way, but it must make knight-type moves in reply. Thus, for example, the move
1.Kd3
is a legal way to begin the game; though maybe not a very good one. One thing that emerges is that a King on the edge, or even worse, the corner, is in real trouble. Here's a sort of 'back rank mate':  click for larger viewWhite plays 1.Ra8#
The black king's flight squares, f7 and g6, are blocked by its own pawns - so it's both a smothered mate and a back rank mate, in a way. This related position is interesting:
 click for larger viewWhite to play, plays
1.Ng6+
Which is mate. But note that if there was no pawn at f5, black could reply with 1...Kxg6 -- it's OK for kings to occupy adjacent squares in this game, as long as they're never a knight-move apart. Like this similar position, where we change the black rook on f7 for a queen, and remove the f-pawn:  click for larger viewBlack has just played 1...Qf7+
Now white can, and should, move his king away. But he thinks that the knight interposition will at least force black to give up his queen ... 2.Ng6+??
In fact black can now play either 2...Kxg6(!) or 2...Qxg6+. I haven't analysed further, so I don't have a forced win in either line. But I do in a similar position, as follows:  click for larger viewBlack to play:
1...Qe5#
The queen checks in the normal way, while covering the escape squares g7, f6, f4 and g3. A king on the rim, his chances are slim.
Full games welcome, if anyone cares to attempt it. I don't think engines will help much. You can change the power of any other piece simply by setting up a start position with, say, a knight on d1 for a horse-queen. But you have to have 'normal' kings - engines tend to reject apparently kingless setups. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Stonehenge: Interesting, and how does one castle? |
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| Jun-28-08 | | Red October: you mean how does his Highness saddle up ? |
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Jun-28-08
 | | OhioChessFan: <Dead right. "Go for the juggler" is very, very, very, very funny indeed, and screams out to be shared. The beauty of it is that (unlike those 'clever' puns and ironies etc) you don't even have to find a sentient creature to share it with. A rock would do, or a steak knife, or Frogspawn.> A rock! I didn't think of a rock. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | OhioChessFan: <Interesting, and how does one castle?> To g2, g7, c2, c7, of course. Whereupon there will be a back rank pawn. Or not. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: Hmmmm. It seems to be quite difficult to design a "fool's mate" type of sequence in King Horse Chess. The king needs to be attacked in the normal way, along diagonals, knight forks or discovered checks or double checks etc. But all the diagonal or file (R/B/Q) checks are subject to blocking - pawn or piece interpolation - as usual ... while the King's knight-move escape method leaves a whole new set of squares to be covered. If, for example, you try to construct one on the basis of standard fool's mate - white pawns on f3 and g4, black queen on h4 checks and mates - then you instantly run into problems. The white king can hop out to d3: if you cover that (not particularly easy) it still has an escape square on g2. Which you've created by moving the g-pawn in the 1st place. Cover that with Bg2, and the king does *not* have an escape square on f1, at least ... but it's far from elementary. Here's an 8-mover I came up with. I call it <Jockey's Mate> because finding it was harder than a jockey's ballcocks. All the moves aren't entirely stupid, but some are. 1.e4 a5
2.Nf3 a4
3.d3 a3
4.bxa3 c6
5.a4 Rxa4
6.Bb2 Rb4
7.Bc1 Qa5
8.e5? Re4#
 click for larger viewNote that the White King's escape squares -- c2, d3, f3, g2 -- are all blocked by his own pieces; while the double check avoids interpolation, forcing a king move. But there isn't one. OK, then? You know the rules. Can anyone find a shorter mate, ie less than 8 moves? Or construct a problem, perhaps illustrating some principle I haven't cottoned on to yet ... Over to you, my droogs and tadpoles. |
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| Jun-28-08 | | achieve: <Stonehenge: Interesting, and how does one castle?> I'll ask two. :P |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: King Horse: clarifications.
En passant as normal. Castling, both 0-0 and 0-0-0, as in standard chess. Everything standard, really, but the king move -- and I can't find anything else that *must* change because of this, though I could be wrong. Castling, especially kingside (!) seems dangerous, because of the particular weakness of a king on the rim. One major dynamic in the game seems to be striking a balance between the king's vulnerability to mate (it's still the most important piece) and the fact that its new move system seems to demand centralization, just as a knight works best from the centre (8 squares) rather than the edge (4 squares) or the corner (2). I wouldn't go so far as to play something like 1.e4, 2.Ke2 (at last, the Wannabe Gambit finds a role!), 3.Ke3, 4.Kd4 etc -- but the King may well be surprisingly safe out there, and relatively doomed on g1. A ver. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Red Oct> - < is she the new Miss Piggy to your FROGSPAWN ?> Nah, she's my Big Bird. You'll always be my Miss P------.... Ouch! Hey, I was only joking. That was uncalled-for, I -- ouch! Yarooh! Okay, okay, I'll settle for a show trial and twenty years in Siberia. Anything but the dreaded <Red Firing Squad> ... |
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| Jun-28-08 | | Red October: <Dom> I bet you say that to all the girls.... |
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Jun-28-08
 | | OhioChessFan: All moves entirely stupid, except for Black's positionally subtle 4th move. 1. f3 e5 2. d3 Qh4+ 3. g3 Bb4+ 4. Bd2 Kd6 5. h3 Qxg3++ |
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Jun-28-08
 | | OhioChessFan: What was I thinking?
1. f3 e5 2. d3 Kd6 3. g4 Ke8 4. Nd2 Qh4++
Got to get my King involved earlier.
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> - <Canadian Girl Hint> Thank you m'dear, terribly useful, but I've been 'out' with more Canadian girls than Irish ones. That's out as in unconscious, of course. And either way we're talking single digits (which is all they left me ...) I'm such a sponge. A soak. Now I'm starting to sound like a pun-spring-loaded Costello song ... <A single digit
Was all she left me
When I try to fidget
I feel bereft, me
Of all the streetwise people on the street
Of all the operators you will meet
In theatres and elevators
High-rise cranes
And alligator's blues.
A single digit
Is a pythonless Cleese
Like half a V-sign
Signals half a Peace
A Churchill cut in twain
A broken-down toff
Just what is he sayin'?
Is it 'fahk' or 'orff'?
A single digit
Better grab the wall
Better brace yourself, Bridget
If you brace anything at all ...>
Yep. Gone all Costello. Simultaneously, I got this quasi-academic litcrit theory about song lyrics -- rejecting standard positions (a) "inferior poetry", and (b) "superior-quality poetry", just not meant to be read on the page, requiring context, performance, music, voice etc to 'complete' it. Incidentally, the same can be said of Beowulf, The Iliad, and other cases of historical orality. My idea is that (the better) song lyrics (Cohen, Dylan, Costello, Cale, Bowie, Young, Mitchell, Pollard, Stanshall, Reed, and, um, me) are comparable to the <Lost Postmodernity> of Silent Cinema. Silent Cinema never developed. For technological and commercial reasons it became suddenly defunct -- well before its 'natural' sequence through realism, modernism, pomo, etc could be enacted. It got killed off in an early melodramatic narrative phase - with some exceptions like Dadaist shorts and later pastiche/reconstructions, silent pomo films never stood a chance. And this relates to pop/rock lyrics how, exactly? Ah. You got me there. I'll havta get back to you. But I'm pretty sure that chess fits into the narrative too ... inevitably. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | OhioChessFan: Wait a minute.........the King can move to g2? Back to my 5 mover. |
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Jun-28-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> - <Canadian Girl Hunt> Yes, clearly I must be on one of those. But don't worry, you're on the business end of the camera, as a semi-salaried expert advisor and volunteer pimp patriot (they have them in China, I heard, so I thought I'd import the concept). You're not *directly* in the cross-hairs, anyway ... but, of course, saying that could be one of my blarney-tongued ruses... <Irish Guy Hint>
Very cosmopolitan. Will want to "go Dutch" in the restaurant, "go gonzoid" in the bar, "go French" in the taxi, and "go to sleep" in the bedroom. They'll also Finnish first, nibble your Erse, refuse to pose for your Picts, tell you that "the Thai's the limit" and explain their absence/lateness with a lame "Iran all the way here" ... but it was the wrong here. And they can't read their own handwriting.
Personally I abandoned all conventions concerning gender, money, payment and male chivalrousness ages ago. Which may explain why I don't get asked on dates anymore. *Weird street conversation today*
Burly guy, bigger and younger than me, otherwise sorta bog-standard male: - Hi.
Me:
- Nghn. [minimal grunting noise]
Burly:
- Are you English?
Me [detecting Scottish accent & ensuring there is distance betweeen us]:
- No.
*At a greater distance, curiosity gets the better of me, and I call back to him* Me:
- Why do you ask.
Burly:
- You look cool.
Me:
- And the two go together?
Burly:
- Nae, but yeh sounded English, and... [*remainder inaudible, as I kept going and got out of earshot before he decided I was lying about my Englishness] /ends/ |
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