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Jul-07-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Mot quite so, my dear <Dom>- <philoxenia> actually means "lover of the strange", most literally. This could cover anyone from a Japanese desk clerk who is genuinely happy to see American tourists to Jeffrey Dahmer. Technically.
Subject to debate.
Bloody English |
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Jul-07-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: HAPPY <Australia Belly Button Scandal> WEEK <Deffi>!! Yes, please.
Philistines, of course, discovered Phlogiston was the substance that powered candles. Later, meddling "scientists" proved there was no such thing. Bloody eggheads. I know there's such a thing as candles because I saw a picture of one from GOOGLE image search. Subject to debate.
NO LETTERS PLEASE |
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Jul-07-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Watt's dat? Has somebody been boffing boffins again? Speaking of which ... how did the original meaning of 'geek' (ie, the lowest form of life on the carny ladder, the guy who bites off chicken heads for a living) mutate into the later one, which is a tad more socially acceptable? You object to numbers, you say 'no letters' ... will hieroglyphics be OK? And do you want Asian or Meso-American? With tofu? |
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Jul-07-09
 | | Domdaniel: A nice knight for mothing. |
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| Jul-07-09 | | mack: As opposed to a nice knight for nothing -- or, as it's formally known, the Cochrane Gambit. |
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Jul-07-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Have you tried <motrin>? It's one of the best medications for "women's pains" if you catch my drift. All right you asked for it.
I want answers- but I can't answer your question.
Try this one-
OK the Korean language, as spoken written from time immemorial- How is it possible that it contains words that are suspiciously virtually identical to words with Latinate and even Kraut/Anglo-Saxon roots? I've checked this with actual Korean philologists and linguists, and they all swear up and down it's coincidence. They swear these words were in use well before contact with "The West"- Recall that the <Hangook> have been inhabiting, and presumably speaking on, the peninsula for around 5000 years. Here is a partial list of some of the Korean words under scrutiny (by me) 1. Oma/Apa = mother/father
2. Weh = why
3. bori = barley
4. no = ani
5. doro = road or path
6. deul = two
And there are dozens of others.
The most striking one is <oma/apa>- and my friend- who is fluent in English and expert in linguistic history- told me that the current theory among Korean linguists is that there is a genetic/bilogical cause for infants to make a phoneme that sounds like "mom and pop" to denote their parents. I don't buy it. There are as many words for Mom and Pop in other languages that don't sound vaguely similar to "mom and pop". Also, there's no evidence for this supposition. Although finding said evidence, if it existed, might prove difficult, to say the least. Sigh.
Ok geek.
More here-
<gook> means "a people" in Korean. ??????
There is no word in Korean for "carny attraction", because all the carvinals were shot. ?????? |
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| Jul-07-09 | | mack: 'She's on the Wirral, you know.'
Evening, Jess. Did you get my terribly short and boring email the other day? |
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Jul-07-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <mack> I did, and apologies for not replying sooner- I will be "there", but only in a tiny village outside of Vancouver- I'll only be spending time with my family and a few school buddies who may drive out to visit me. |
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| Jul-07-09 | | mack: Good good. Well I'll be rambling all around, in and out of town, rambling 'til those butchers shoot me down. So perhaps we might collide somewhere along the way. (Baggsie being the immoveable object.) |
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Jul-07-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom, Dom.> How many more name changes will we face?
Given your recent activity in this sphere, perhaps you could settle on "Morph" as a permanent title.
Get it?
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH
Or maybe "Morf", to continue your recent flagrant mockery of OUR sacred identical sounding but irritatingly differently spelled consonants. Bloody English.
What sorry times we live in when |
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Jul-07-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> "Lover of the strange", eh? I can live with that ... but in a vaguely decadent and only moderately depraved sense. Strictly no Dahmer stuff. In any case I'm a mostly straight mostly vegetarian wimp, so I wouldn't be very good at it. 'Good' strangeness includes: Nimzo, Beefheart, Pynchon, Duchamp, Ivanchuk, Cronenberg, Cale, and all the usual suspects. Plus quarks, of course. Hmm. I must have been thinking about the strangeness of quarks when I referred to myself as a wimp back there -- as in <Weakly Interactive Massive Particle>. I'm a particle. Hit the accelerator.
Did I mention that my favorite website for calculating ratings belongs to CERN chess club? And no self-respecting philoxeniac would *discern* or *concern* ... |
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| Jul-07-09 | | mack: <'Good' strangeness includes...> Must... resist... urge to engage in endlessly fascinating conversation when jam-packed with Merlot and in need of a snooze... Ho hum. It's nice to be back, gang. Maybe I'll even write more than four words tomorrow. |
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Jul-07-09
 | | OhioChessFan: Alas, when <mysch> dropped "educe" on us, I thought he meant "adduce", which isn't the same at all. Or sort of the same, but just coincidentally a similar sounding word. Little educe coupe, you don't know what I got. |
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| Jul-08-09 | | Trigonometrist: <"Morph" as a permanent title.> <Morphine> perhaps... |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> I'm with the Koreans: mostly coincidence. Apparently there's an Aboriginal language in Australia in which the word for dog is ... 'dog'. There are only so many sounds and so many things. It would be a surprise if they didn't map onto one another occasionally. The exception in your list -- and, as you say, the most interesting case -- is omu/apa, mom'n'pop, maw and paw. Gaelic, let's see ... Mhaimi, pronounced 'Wommy', and Daidi, pronounced 'Daddy'. Notice how the men provide linguistic stability, while of course women have to provide it in real life.
Then again ... Irish Gaelic for 'woman' is 'bean', and its plural form (Mna) is a source of delightful confusion on toilet and restroom doors. But I digresh. I don't think words for mom'n'pop have diffused all over the world or survived uniquely from some lost protolanguage. It probably has more to do with the first sounds that babies articulate. Mind you, I've never actually seen one do this, so I have no empirical evidence to offer your linguistic majesty. |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Trig> -- <Morphine, perhaps> I don't believe this forum has pain-killing properties, although it does seem to be addictive in regular doses. Maybe you need some kind of genetic susceptibility too. I know that heroin got its name because the Bayer chemist who first cooked it up thought it made him feel like a mythic hero. Siegfried, probably, ready to chase dragons till the cows came home. Perhaps morphine got its name because its inventor felt he was turning into a giant robot. |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> I'll vouch for <mack>. He's not just an 'internet person' ... although he thought I was one until I disabused him. Now I'm going to disabuse my inner child in an effort to discover its lexicon of parenthood. |
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Jul-08-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate? |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> -- <sacred identical sounding but irritatingly differently spelled consonants> I came across a fascinating example of this the other day. As I'm sure you know, in Polish the letters '-ck-' are pronounced something like 'tch+k'. So GM Socko is pronounced 'sotch-ko' - and should *not* be rhymed with the familiar Scots form 'Jocko'. Then I heard this guy making PA announcements on a train. Despite a definite 'foreign' accent, he did amazingly well with such obscure half-Ersed placenames as Rathcormac and Portlaoise. Even I don't know the correct pronunciation of some of these places, and I've passed through them many times. Then he reached what should have been the easiest of all, or second easiest after 'Cork'. He was required to announce Limerick -- and he just couldn't get it out right. He kept saying 'Limeritchk', which is when I thought of Socko. I also counted 3287 poles lining the railway track. |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: <Ohio> -- <educe coupe>
Ouch.
My theory is that 'educe' originated in Italy (well, it did!) ... as recently as the 1930s. A visitor would stumble across the late Benito Mussolini making one of his lengthy speeches about trains running on time. The mystified tourist would then collar a local, and ask - in the Pidgin used by travellers in those days - "Who he?" And get the reply "Oo 'e? E duce". |
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Jul-08-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Pole spotting from trains is a popular pastime.
It beats sitting on a pole and trainspotting.
"I submit to you that you murdered your father for his train reservation to Bolton" |
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Jul-08-09
 | | Domdaniel: I say! Murdering a chap's pater for a train reservation to Bolton, that's rather excessive. A reservation to Paris, perhaps, or a first-class ticket (with compartment) to just about anywhere, yes, that seems reasonable. But one has standards. Does <Bolton> have a Museum of Wrenches & Spanners? That might tip the scales. |
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| Jul-08-09 | | mack: 'Cut ups? But of course. I have been a cut-up for years... I think of words as being alive like animals. They don't like to be kept in pages. Cut the pages and let the words out.' - WS Burroughs Good news! 'Entropanto' as a description of The Goon Show has been given the A-OK by the PhD powers that be. I'd have fought hard had it not. So look forward to an acknowledgement in a widely-discredited PhD in about two years, all right? Oh, Burroughs! That reminds me~ you simply *must* read Taussig's latest dispatch from his funny liminal place, perhaps no-time once-upon-a-time. It's called 'What Color is the Sacred?' and for sure, if we didn't already know that Mick was our best mate, we do now. This time he binges especially on Burroughs and at one point imagines a meeting between him and Walter Benjamin. '[I]t would be hard to imagine two more dissimlar people,' Taussig sez, 'the one so cultured and polite, so quintessentially European, the other irascible, sarcastic, hop and quintessentially American bad boy. But then both dressed in suits, had the same initals, W.B., and were massively curious about drugs, mysticism, revolution, film and cut-outs as mthod for producing literature no less than for writing history. And then there was color. There was so much they seem to have agreed upon. Yet it makes you laugh and roll your eyes to think of them having a conversation, perhaps on one of Burroughs's color walks starting off from the Beat Hotel in Paris...' After three pages of thinking of them having a conversation on one of Burroughs's color walks, he's suddenly dissecting Malinowski. Practice! |
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| Jul-08-09 | | mack: <tip the scales>
Prunella? She was only playing at running a hotel, y'know. |
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Jul-08-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: The elusive unintentional <Fawlty Towers> reference! <mackinaw>: and more. I believe <Dom> missed the allusion to the <Monty Python> skit as well, in which the murder was indeed committed for a train reservation to <Bolton>. |
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