Unfortunately I think a human player would not be able to maintain the depth and accuracy of calculation needed to salvage such a position OTB and such piece placement would get punished severely more often than not.

Are either of you going to hit the Umansky game seriously at any point? Some of the posts I have read are a little disheartening but equally some people are putting in a lot of good work (like <capafan>).

HAHAHA

I must go take a look now...

<hms> you really are such a nice and considerate kibitzer, I would never have thought to block out <crazymate>'s name like that.

ooops

<Unfortunately I think a human player would not be able to maintain the depth and accuracy of calculation needed to salvage such a position OTB and such piece placement would get punished severely more often than not. >

I think that's BANG ON EXACTLY CORRECT.

I was thinking around such a thought- but I couldn't really make sense until you just did my thinking for me.

<Ulan Bator: 9 AD> Nope I never "participate" in these games, but I do check them weekly to see what the humans are up to- to troll for funny posts etc.

<retarded v. funny>

heh

You know- it can be both in the case of truly unique thinkers like <Hugin>.

<Hugin> was posting entire games "proving" <1.d4> is a draw- over and over- but he's way too smart to actually think that.

And yet secretly he might.

I think many of his posts are secretly tongue in cheek <and> serious-- in that rare combination that only the <unique thinker> can muster.

Most can't, of course, and must pick one or the other.

Bob Dylan: "Up on housing project hill, it's either Fortune or Fame,

It's against the law to cut down trees in Korea.

That's why there are so many of them.

Is your university "politically correct"?

Here is a test to find out:

In Montreal I made a T-shirt that said

<Cut down all the Trees and use them to Beat the Whales to death with>

on it.

I used to "test" various locations by wearing it.

Maybe, maybe not. Humans manage to drive cars, throw American footballs long distances quite accurately without solving calculus problems instantaneously, and on and on.

I think we are actually both in agreement, but looking at the problem from different sides.

I think the main problem with the types of position in the GMAN game for humans is that it is highly unusual and difficult to navigate based on the sophisticated pattern recognition abilities that enable such high level chess in 'normal' positions.

Even the greatest chess players can get confused when the position on the board becomes more chaotic and less well themed.

With expose to enough of these computer-like positions top players would eventually be able to play them by using the pattern recognition you describe, but it would take time.

Yes! No penalty this time!

That gunk tank was really nasty...

Yea good point <hms>, the stuff that our brains have been hard-wired to do by evolution is what we do best for sure. It is kind of funny watching the latest 'walking' robots, but then if a calculator had a sense of humour it would find it pretty funny to watch me find the cube root of 568987 (although there are probably one or two people that could do it just as quickly, but not a whole series of problems all day long without a break and with no mistakes allowed.)

Humans certainly have a lot of abilities that help with chess, but computers have an ideal disposition for the way they play too, and which will ultimately prevail is anybodies guess IMO, although I wouldn't be surprised if 'something' met in the middle.

That's why there are so many of them.

Is your university "politically correct"?

Here is a test to find out:

In Montreal I made a T-shirt that said

<Cut down all the Trees and use them to Beat the Whales to death with>

on it.

I used to "test" various locations by wearing it.

Most medications were blood pressure stuff (nitro) for senior citizens.. Of course the test subjects were aged 18=35.

There was a colorful group of bottom feeders who would be in every study, sometimes two at once, and there was always the glory of "pulling the trifecta" THREE drug studies at once!! Basically I was sick for a month while "working", then I'd have a nice free month of "livin' the life" until the money ran out!!

Of course we learned to lie about when we felt sick, because then you'd get kicked out of the study...NO MONEY!! So we'd always Lie about side affects.

So there is this very disturbing tendency for test subjects to lie about their symptoms. Ridiculous, eh?

There were only two fun studies...one was "dexutrim" which was another name for Dexedrine so we were all buzzing playing the card game known as bull$#@% and hollering like junior high kids.

The other fun study was a "prostate stimulant" which made everybody ravenously "attracted" shall we say to all the nurses, some of which were not accustomed to much male attention, and they were very happy. There was a gay guy in the study and he was going out of his mind...NO I DIDN"T "cross the line" as far as I know nobody did but now that i'm 15 years older I can't believe a floorful of horny young spermguns didn't find some sor t of mischief...

ok this is a family forum...

Generally the studies consisted of me lying in bed with a fever and pretending I didn't have one.

Plus we got advice from junkies...rub vitamin e oil on the blood draw spots, they heal fast, very important when PULLING A TRIFECTA

Last but not least I was well acquainted with the five movies on the "patient movie network", not unlike the "power99 power rotation"...Clean and Sober, (good movie), Monkey Trouble with Harvey Keitel (proof that actors will do anything for money) Hairspray (I memorized every line..."Don't Run Tracy...You'll fall...You'll fall!!) (I especially looked forward to the basement party scene with a bunch of sexy booty shakin!!)

Ok if you buy any Chessmaster 2000 program from a store today- it will have full mouse capabiiity. Guaranteed. I got mine from <London Drugs> in Canada and they all will have mouse capability.

I'm sorry about slow email response, but I get over 3,000 emails each day, as I manage a popular, and quite likely illegal, extreme right wing Christian Evangelical E-mailing service-- And I add to it all the time by collecting my friends' email adresses and volunteering them to offer their email space for our many important projects.

Right now we are trying to convert all of <Mongolia> except for the chess team, as we understand they need to really concentrate on other things.

I'm not sure how you'd find out the exact time of <Bobby's> death-- my best guess would be that <User: Malthrope> might well be helpful as he is a fount of knowledge. As well as a font of knowledge. A visit to his very fine forum Profile will indicate that he knows a lot about various <fonts and typeface artistry>.

As for someone at our website who knew <Bobby> directly, I'm afraid the only one I know of is <Ed Trice>.

however, as far as I can tell from the <Bobby Fischer Profile page>, Ed is currently "incognito" as <User: Riverbeast> so he's not giving away any secrets at the moment.

Oh- actually <User: Malthrope> did in fact for sure meet <Bobby> and even had an evening of chess chat n' analysis with him and some other folk.

I suggest you drop some inquiries in his forum. I'm sure he'd be happy to help out where he could. He is an exceedingly generous, helpful, and knowleegabable man.

Also, he's ALL MAN as well, I understand.

Like John Wayne if he were a chess historian and analyst.

I keep returning to the thought of you playing the Scotch as one of your main openings, and you know I don't think I have ever met anybody else who did that.

You must have had some entertaining duels at your local chess club sticking by that opening. I think I would enjoy having an extended 'discussion' with a player in the Scotch, even if only because it would make preparation a little easier, and to see if I could turn them to the Ruy.

hehe

Can I ask which set-up you were most comfortable facing, the 4...Nf6 / 4...Bc5 or 4...Qh4!?

I liked to play 4...Nf6 as Black and think it is probably best, but what do you think?