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Jan-07-10
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Vote <hms123>!
He promises to pull the troops out!
Or put them back!
I can't remember that one I'll have to get back to you on it. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | zanshin: Thanks for the post <JFQ>. And I voted <howard> for most constructive. That's the least I can do for him ;-) |
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| Jan-07-10 | | technical draw: <They even had the right number of kings. A rarity. Maybe I imagined it.> Find the show and search it carefully. You might see the two white bishops on the same color, or the queenside castling in the wrong squares, or not enough pieces to mate, or anything else, something is always wrong. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | rogge: Hi again.
It struck me that <Wannabe>'s Chess Oscars lack one vital nomination today. Your Fischer page cleansing and ChessBookForum joint venture with <hms123> (among other things) surely should've secured you a bunch of votes for <Most Constructive>. We are all to blame for the missing nomination. Take care :) |
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| Jan-07-10 | | hms123: <jess> you crack me up--nice forum header. |
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Jan-07-10
 | | OhioChessFan: I've noticed the cheesy TV references to chess also. MASH had a ridiculous scene with Charles being checkmated. I think though, that if you are a serious bowler, the way they treat it on TV is even worse. There is an episode of Andy Griffith that shows Howard bowling a 300 game. Of course, they cut away from the actor, who doesn't have to act like the beginner he is (Show's theme is beginner's luck, bowls a 300, blah blah blah). Then there is the same stock footage of a poorly thrown ball, hitting Brooklyn of course, over and over. The recent Geico commericals are about the same caliber. AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGgggggggggghhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHH-
Hhhhhhhhhh!!!!! |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: What you learn is that the movies, television and the news media almost always get the details wrong. A few times I have been involved in situations which are reported in newspapers and it is remarkable how many mistakes there are. But it shouldn't be surprising considering how little is done before a story is printed. They just do not have the time to get it right and I am sure it is the same with movies. Sure it would be easy to get all the chess scenes right, but if you multiply that for trying to get everything right (for bowling, for cards etc. etc.) in each bit of a scene it is probably just not worth it. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | hms123: <jess> <niels> <crawfb5> I watched <In Bruges> last night and it was excellent. The cinematography alone was worth watching. Almost every shot was like a really good still photograph. The story, the acting, and the themes were also first-rate. I can't believe that I missed this film the first time around. |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: <Benji: They just do not have the time to get it right and I am sure it is the same with movies. Sure it would be easy to get all the chess scenes right, but if you multiply that for trying to get everything right (for bowling, for cards etc. etc.) in each bit of a scene it is probably just not worth it.> I don't buy that. All they'd have to do is call a person with some general familiarity. Pay a star 20 mill and can't be bothered to spend 30 seconds checking out the accuracy of a scene? Even worse is when they try to sound authentic and are wrong. I recall an episode of Cheers where Woody says "I was trying to make the 7-9 split....." I suppose some assistant got a book from the library and read the term "7-9 split". But any decent bowler knows you don't really try to make that. It would be the same as a supposed Chess player saying "I was trying to win an opposite colored Bishop ending with one Pawn on each side." Yeah, you can <sort of> try to win that, but anyone with an ounce of familiarity with the game knows you don't really try. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: Of course they could do that. My only point is that almost every movie contains many things that could and should be checked and made right if they were serious, but it would be difficult and expensive to make them all right. So lets take the MASH episode. WE focus on the chess because that is what we know and like. But out in the world, you have people who are experts on: nursing
surgery
the army
uniforms
korea
bars AND probably even grape kneehigh:
"grape kneehigh never was sold in that kind of bottle, why didn't they just check and get it right. Damn it". I probably won't convince you, but I think it is just too much trouble and too expensive to get it all right. p.s. I looked at wikipedia and I see that grape kneehigh is actually spelled "Nehi". Who knew?...but I at least checked my facts:0. And even more funny there actually is someone outt here who caught a grape nehi mistake on Mash: <In the television series M*A*S*H, Corporal Walter "Radar" O'Reilly's favorite soft drink was "Grape Nehi," <<as he referred to it.>>> It seems that the correct way is "Nehi Grape" |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: Sorry, another one:
<Hawkeye and Trapper are concerned about the theft of a stock of hydrocortisone, but that drug wasn't introduced by the FDA until 1952.> |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: <"grape kneehigh never was sold in that kind of bottle, why didn't they just check and get it right. Damn it". I probably won't convince you, but I think it is just too much trouble and too expensive to get it all right. p.s. I looked at wikipedia and I see that grape kneehigh is actually spelled "Nehi". Who knew?... > I did. And I was geting mentally prepared to call you on it. Curses, foiled again. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: I am sure you are tired of me, but last one:
<When Henry is trying to convince Baker how wonderful the camp is, Henry says that they "had 'The Thing' and 'The Blob' both in one week". "The Blob" was made in 1958. This season of M*A*S*H is set in 1951 and 1952 (and the war ended in 1953> |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: <I did. And I was geting mentally prepared to call you on it. Curses, foiled again.> LOL But did you know it was really Nehi Grape? |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: I must appologize, but I can't resist this one:
<Hawkeye, Henry and Trapper are playing scrabble. The board is in an illegal state - in the lower right corner 'it', 'jot', 'joy' 'yearn' and 'in' are not connected to the rest of the words.> |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: Maybe they should call GM Robert Hess for movie chess advice. Err, maybe not: Robert Hess |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: <benji> such pointless ruminations is what makes life worth living. I can do the same with Andy Griffith. |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: I didn't know it was Nehi Grape, though I would swear I have sampled Grape Nehi. Perhaps a different company took it over and bottled it? |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: I did a search and found a distributor of Nehi Sodas and they do in fact list it as Nehi _____ (flavor). http://www.crossroads-market.com/ha... There was an old general store in the small town I grew up that had the old kind of soft drink machine where you pulled the bottles out. They did have Nehis. Wish I'd saved a few of the bottles. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | benjinathan: It is funny that the company became royal crown cola, which in my experience, is the kind of pop that you are as likely as not to find in those old soft drink machines- when you find them. |
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| Jan-07-10 | | crawfb5: Somewhere in a box, I have a first-person account from the master(?) used as a chess consultant for the Steve Martin film <Leap of Faith>. Of course Martin is a chessplayer, so they may have made a little more effort than other movies. <benjinathan> is correct; they get things wrong all the time. Whenever I hear someone flogging the "historical" accuracy of their new offering and they start blathering on about the costumes "down to the buttons," I think, "Oh boy, here we go down the rabbit hole again." It was parodied in <Sweet Liberty>, where history professor Alan Alda doesn't recognize <anything> from his book on the American Revolution in the screenplay by Bob Hoskins. Even when the actual events are dramatic enough, things still get tarted up in a typical script. It's as much sloppiness as too many details to manage. "Oh, hardly anyone will notice, so why bother?" |
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| Jan-07-10 | | crawfb5: <jessicafischerqueen: Please vote <hms123> for Most Constructive Kibbutzer!! Committee to re-elect president Nixon>
Did I just hear him say <I am not a cook!>? |
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Jan-07-10
| | OhioChessFan: I thought he said "I am not a crock" |
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Jan-07-10
 | | Domdaniel: I interviewed <Christopher Lambert> just after he played a dashing grandmaster in a movie -- Dangerous Moves? Something like that. He took pains to express his total lack of interest in chess. The only thing he was interested in was himself, whether playing immortal Scotsmen (Highlander) or enigmatic underground Parisians (Subway). The film was rubbish, but must have had a chess adviser -- it was set in the Pacific northwest, during a world championship playoff that largely echoes the candidates matches in St Johns, a few years earlier on the east coast. |
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Jan-07-10
| | Domdaniel: It was "I am not a Rook".
Nixon played both chess and poker at master level, but he couldn't stop bluffing. |
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