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Threshold question: does anyone care?>

<saffuna: Less now than last year. It's still irritating.

Texas is freezing because its state policies. Plus an extremely rare storm.>

Well, the way i see it - point of <keypusher> is that we can improve the quality of this forum by showing intelligent discrimination.

While we are at it - <mort> yesterday was again repeating the same nonsense like <cases of election fraud - court did not give chance to team of lawyers to present evidence>

Now , i was 'irritated ' to read this nonsense yet again and my first impulse was to post the refutation that <keypusher> had presented a few days ago when <gezafan> was babbling that <cases were dismissed because of lack of standing, they never git a chance to oresent evidence>

<Keypusher> was like <this lie never dies just like that anither lie...court in wisconsin dismissed the objection about lack of standing and allowed lawyers of trump to present their case/evidence and those lawyers were like 'we don't have any evidence , we were just making fools of ourselves and fooling gullible simpletons idiots like <gezafan> with our propaganda' >

However , i curbed my inpulse because stupid trolls like <mort> , <george wallace> , <big pawn> are not interested in truth/facts , no matter how many tine we refute their nonsense/lies , they still keep repeating the same nonsense without answering the refutation.

So , engaging with them lowers the quality of forum

And one has to ask the same question that <keypusher> asked <does anybody care ? Should a sane/smart person care ? >

I come to rogoff forum for the depth/sharpness/clarity of thinking people like <keypusher> and <johnlspouge> provide. I feel like i am in some top university of world where i am exposed to the way the best minds in the world work and that exposure helps me develop depth/sharpness/clarity of thinking/understanding.

Well, i am convinced with what <keypusher> said the other day (or at keast how i interpreted post of <keypusher> )

<Keypusher> , in the response to the post of <bureaucrat> , was like <yes , QAnon people are idiots , however , if we examine intelligently and dispassionately , two insights energe (i) they are not diabolical/dangerous , rather they are like scared children (ii) why are they like scared children - because , first they are idiots , however , other factor is that they have some legitimate concerns which are not getting addressed smartly by mature people>

2) that is the approach we should have - to listen and address/acknowledge their concerns.

3)i mean that <keypusher> is a smart , dispassionate conservative who cares about fact/truth and smart/intelligent conversations.

Most others conservatives here e.g. <mort> , <george wallace> /<big pawn> , <keyser soze> , <gezafan> are idiots however , they have some valid points/concerns . After all , <keypusher> is a conservatoves and that means he has some of the same positions that idiots like <diceman> , <ohiochessfan> , <thegoodanarchist> and other stupid right wingers have. So , obviously , those positions are smart/valid even though left winner/progressive liberals have different positions on those points.

4) so , the point is that we should show smartness/maturity.

Like <keypusher> refuted nonsense/lie that <gezafan> was spouting viz <court cases of trump to challenge election results were dismissed because of lack of standing , and were not given opportunity to pressnt evidence>

Obviously , such nonsense should be refuted.

5) at the same time , stupidity, childish trolling of these idiots should be ignored , perhaps.

6) i mean what is the point of the comments like <these right winvers are hurting/weeping because of the loss of trump>

What is the point of repeatedly saying things like these?

Now idiots like <big pawn> would say that i am telling <saffuna> what to do , that <saffuna> jas so many daddy here in this forum...

But no , i am not telling <saffuna> what to do.

I am simply saying that we should examine what we are doing , is that working ?

7) what do we want after all ? We don't want craziness like Qanon. We don't want stupidity , dishonesty, childishness of <mort> , <big pawn> and other stupid <right wingers> . Are we succeeding ?

I don't think so.

So what is the way forward ? I think posts/attitude of both <keypusher> and <johnlspouge> show the way forward.

Generally speaking , <johnlspouge> looks past fluff and gets to the essence very quickly and treats all the points very dispasdionately even if they are the posts of idiots like <mort> and <big pawn>.

<Keypusher> too shows the kind of maturity/intelligence that <johnlspiuge> shows.

So , that is how we should be . We should show maturity/smartness and listen to idiots compassionately/dispassionately and try to listen for their legitimate/valid concerns/criticism in the pile of garbage that they so copiously spout , after sifting and separating all the fluff/trolling/childish boast and such.

We don't want stupidity , dishonesty, childishness of <mort> , <big pawn> and other stupid <right wingers> .>

The real estate between ybr's ears disagrees!

<Poor broken emotional train wreck Ybr.

BP owns a:

Loft
Petting zoo
Apartment complex
Sports stadium
Jai alai court
Town pool
Movie theater
14 fine dining restaurants
6 fast food restaurants
in the dead space between Ybr's right/left ears.>

<Ybr:
Are we succeeding?>

However , this time , i was careless as i copied this post from rogoff forum and posted without deleting your name - i simply forgot. My bad.

So , you are right in pointing out that i did not live up to the standards i have set for myself.

My most sincere , deepest apologies to you <diceman>

Of course.

<Diceman> makes good points from time to time and i took his point with humility and gratitude , quietly , while expressed my apologies explicitly.

Regards.

P.s. some people may say that (i) <big pawn> is cultist and dangerous and therefore (ii) <ybr> is giving less attention than required not more to <big pawn>

However , i don't agree with point (ii)

Also , one more thing about <diceman> that inspires admiration - <diceman> and his fellow elite posters 'vowed ' that they would never post again in rogoff forum .

<Diceman> showed integrity in being true to his words - same can not be said about some of his fellow elite posters.

Strength of character and maturity of <diceman> is edifying.

I do miss insightful , incisive posts of <diceman> in rogoffland - especially his true love and concerns for chicago and black people. I can very well imagine how tough it would have been for <diceman> to stop posting about his true love in rogoffland. His strength of character is awe inspiring.

2) <we are impersonal love of jesus (compassion ) and intelligence (clarity/depth of thinking ) in action > - nisargadatta maharaj

3) <keypusher> says that he is not spiritual - of course , he is not , because unlike me , he is not seeking to know deepest/ultimate reality in an earnest manner , so unlike me , he is not a spiritual seeker.

However , if the touchstone of enlightened people (those people who are in league of jesus ) is compassion and intelligence , then he is far, far ahead of almost all religious christians.

4) and if we believe the philosophy of Absolute , at some point , (in this life or next incarnation ) , <keypusher> and <johnlspouge> would reach such a high level of compassion and intelligence that they will have spontaneous transcendental experience and would know deepest/ultimate reality spintaneously without ever deliberately seeking it.

5) even though, these days , i am striving to stay away from contentious conversations , i got to say this for the sake of completion - during capitol riots , anyone who disagreed with trump , was a traitor (so much so that 'hang mike pence ')

And on this site , anyone who disagrees with trump followers , is a traitor and therefore <keypusher> is a 'traitor' , is not a true conservative, is rino/lib/conservative poseur etc.

What do these guys want ? That <keypusher> should be a cultist like them instead of thinking for himself and being true to his stand for clarity/depth of thinking/understanding else instead of refuting his piint , they would attack him and call him 'traitor' and such ? Jesus ! Even Alex jones had to say like <enough is enough ! Line is crossed . I have to say that Qanon nonsense is absolute craziness > . At some point , everyone says <limit/line has been crossed, i got to speak up> . Everyone has some limits but not the cultists. I guess <keypusher> had to say for the sake of his integrity that <white genocide> is nonsense.

That is hopefully last i am talking about any issue that cultists don't want to hear - like i said , no point in engaging with cultists after i did my best and still in vain and after <keypusher> tried too but in vain.

It is just a matter of time.

Recently , <keypuaher> criticized a post of <saffuna> and cultists including <ocf> and <keyser soze> were having glee and using that criticism of <keypusher> , were hurling insults/ridicule at <saffuna>

None of the libs ganged up on <keypusher> , none of the libs said anything against <keypusher> for criticizing post of <saffuna>

And when <keypusher> refuted <white genocide> nonsense , these cultists ganged up against <keypusher>

<Keypusher> has integrity (he often criticizes position of libs ) , libs in rogoffland have integrity. Cultists have no integrity/honesty (therefore, sooner or later , <ocf> would turn on <willber g> too)

That is why i am not engaging with cultists any more . This is my last post on this cringe worthy subject.

Yes, good posts by <jambow>

If <jambow> shows integrity/honesty , then it would be good to have second honest conservative in this forum after <keypusher>

2) can <jambow> see the dishonesty of cultists like <ohiochessfan>, <big pawn>/<george wallace> , <keyser soze> , <gezafan>

<Mort> can see their dishonesty and stupidity and that is why he was so quiet past few days as cultists were embarrassing themselves with <white genocide> nonsense

3) if <jambow> can see the dishonesty of cultists , then he would note what kind of a person <george wallace>/<big pawn> is.

Look at <big pawn> talking about <genetic fallacy> in post of <diademas> today

And for four hour non stop other day, he repeatedly committed <genetic fallacy> and <straw man> fallacy instead of answering refutation of <omv argument> based on Absolute. And i calmly , in a very civil and focused manner repeatedly corrected his logical fallacies. That did not stop him playing his stupid/dishonest games - he continued committing <genetic fallacy> and <straw man> fallacy and hurling vulgarity , vile abuses and such for four hours non stop because he knew he had lost debate very badly and he had no answer to refutation and i kept calm, civil , focused in response

4) <mort> knows that and that is why he was so quiet in all that embarrassment for cultists

Fine .

Libs don't have honesty.

I call out libs when it needs to be done (of course , i can not engage with every conversation - i don't have time , energy for that , not every topic interests me either)

And honesty of <big pawn>/<george wallace> ?

Consider this :

<Nok> is like : <<gezafan> , did you see that <ybr> refuted/destroyed your <white genocide> nonsense ?>

<Gezafan> is like : <well, i will ignore refutation and instead will commit genetic fallacy by hurling insults at <ybr>. And <big pawn>/<george wallace> is the most dishonest person in this forum. He would fool me and use me by saying that my <white genocide> nonsense is very smart and he would also , instead of answering refutation , commit <genetic fallacy> and hurl vulfarity, vile abuses and such at <ybr>>

<Big pawn> /<george wallace> is like <you got it right <gezafan>. Whenever i and my fellow cuktists lose debate , i go in overdrive committing <genetic fallacy> and other logical fallacies and hurling vulgarity, vile abuses and such. Your <white genocide > nonsense is awesome and i am going to hurl abuses/vulgarity at <ybr> now >

<Keypusher> is like : <argument of <ybr> is very cogent and thoroughly refutes <white genocide> nonsense. Let me explain how...>

<Big pawn>/<george wallace> is like <same routine to <keypusher> now. I will commit logical fallacy and hurl abuses at <keypusher> now>

<Ohiochessfan> , <keyser soze> are like <yes , <big pawn> , we will join you in abusing <keypusher> and <ybr> and committing <genetic fallacy>>

And today <big pawn>/<george wallace> is pointing out <genetic fallacy> in the post of <diademas> and <ocf> saying that all libs except <willber g> are dishonest.

Tell me any topic where libs are dishonest. I may not have time to research , so i would request <keypusher> about that topic (we can hope that <keypusher> would be kind enough to help , if and when he has time) and this way you and i both will make libs honest , first

And after that we will make <big pawn>/<george wallace> and other right wingers honest .

Deal , <mort > ?

Many people think of genocide as being strictly limited to physical violence. This is called hard genocide.

There is another kind of genocide called soft genocide. It's genocide through other means. This is what is happening to white people.

For example there is a plan and concerted effort to persuade white people not to have children or to have non-white children instead in order to reduce their numbers. This meets the definition of genocide as defined by the UN.

I made a lengthy exposition of genocide in Big Pawn's Free Speech forum. It discusses the 10 elements of genocide, 9 of which are happening to white people.

So , no hard genocide happening in america ? So , you see and admit that you were making a fool of yourself all along for years by posting cases of any random murder of some white by some black and screaming '<whitegenocide> , <white genocide >' ?

Don't do that . <big pawn> and other ekite posters of his gang make fools of themselves all the time however they never concede when refuted , instead , they hurl <genetic fallacy > and other logical fallacies and vulgarity , vile abuses and such while labeling the refuted nonsense as 'awesome posts'.

 1) <It also found anti-Latino hate crime rose 8.7% from 485 in 2018 to 527 in 2019 to the highest total since 2010. The killing of 22 people at the El Paso Walmart last year is the worst hate crime attack ever recorded by the FBI, according to the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism.> <Gezafan><22 latinos killed at el paso by a white man...only reason they were killed is because they were latinos.... Latino genocide by white people and far right crazies like <big pawn> and <gezafan> don't care > https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bb...

2) <Black people were targeted in hate crimes more than any other group in the US. > <Gezafan>< white people are killing black people all over america. <Black geocide> by white people and far right crazies like <big pawn> and <gezafan>don't care >

<gezafan>
<big pawn>/<george wallace> <mort>
<big pawn>
<diademas>
<ocf>
<Ohiochessfan> <Nok>
<jambow>
<keyser soze>
<willber g>
<saffuna>
<johnlspouge> >

Poor, poor, keypusher!

<Ybr: <diceman> and his fellow elite posters 'vowed ' that they would never post again in rogoff forum .>

I did no such thing liar.

<Ybr:
Regards.>

He says "regards" but as a decade long repeat offender, he has no regard for this site, its rules, the administrators, or the posters on it.

Just a bigoted, broken, low intelligent, emotional train wreck, who obsesses over BP 24/7.

His only real job is to have Goebbels media
drag his low intelligence around by the nose hairs.

Your hero <big pawn> was refuted both in <omv argument> and <white genocude> . He lost debate badly and in return he hurled <genetic fallacies> and vulgarity , vile abuses and such in tonnes and still doing it. I would not be seen in rogoffland for many days now and your hero <big pawn> would keep on spewing his dishonesty and venom every day in rogoffland.

Instead of barking at me , spewing venom at me , go talk to <big pawn> and see if you can teach him some honesty . And learn some honesty yourself too. Instead of worrying if i am obsessed , go take care of obsession of your hero <big pawn> . Look at what he doing at rogoffland everyday. How come you have nothing to say about his madness and by implication your madness too.

And i calmly , in a civil manner , remained focused and corrected his logical fallacies non stop.

And <diceman> has problem with me and not with his hero <big pawn> . If <diceman> had any shame and decency he would never show his face to me or any other person who has to suffer such kind of behavior non stop by his hero <big pawn>

Don't you see how thoroughly your hero <big pawn> lost debates and after that what he is doing.? Go talk to <big pawn> and tell him to have some honesty and decency and then you won't need to talk to me

Or may be your point is that <big pawn> is not a human but a disgrace to humanity instead , so why bother about him - is that your point ? And are you any better than him ?. This is the last time i am bothering to talk to you <diceman> unless you show me you deserve any response from me.

And for next many days , i won't be seen in rogoffland , because as you rightly say , people like you and <big pawn> should be avoided by civilized people.

1) I have thoroughly/decisively defeated <big pawn> in omv argument debate .

However , we know what kind of a person <big pawn> is - dishonest and ...

When I am gone , he will talk all kind of rot behind me. If <keypusher>/<johnlspouge>/<willber g> /<tomlinsky> and/or others ask me to defeat him once more in <omv argument> , I will come back to put this dishonest person in his place once again.

Remember the standards of debate at <free nonsense zone> - if someone fails to answer the refutation , he loses.

<big pawn>/<George wallace> came to debate me however he had no answer to refutation , so instead of answering refutation , he asked me to teach philosophy of Absolute to him , apparently , confident in his arrogance that he would show that he is smart and I don't know what I am talking about . It ended up very badly for him , I answered all his questions and then he ran away saying like < even though <ybr> answered all questions of <big pawn> , <ybr> spoke blather too along the way>

And then after a month or so , he came back to debate me , apparently hoping that he would do better this time . This time too , he had no answer to refutation, and once again he asked me to teach philosophy of Absolute to him , once again I answered all his questions and this time , I did not even give him chance to say like < even though <ybr> answered all questions of <big pawn> , <ybr> spoke blather too along the way>

For four hours non stop , he hurled <genetic fallacy> and other logical fallacies and vulgarity,vile abuses , blather and such and I calmly in a civil focused way corrected his logical fallacies for four hours non stop.

According to the standards of debate of <free nonsense zone> , one loses debate for much , much less.

<big pawn> failed to answer refutation.

He does not understand philosophy of Absolute let alone understanding refutation of <omv argument> based on Absolute.

Even <troller> hinted at the refutation of <omg argument> based on Absolute - see my last post at his forum

2) I have thoroughly/decisively defeated <gezafan>/<big pawn> in his stupid <crime post> debate too

I am pained at the attacks at white people.

At the same time

 i) <It also found anti-Latino hate crime rose 8.7% from 485 in 2018 to 527 in 2019 to the highest total since 2010. The killing of 22 people at the El Paso Walmart last year is the worst hate crime attack ever recorded by the FBI, according to the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism.> 

<22 latinos killed at el paso by a white man...only reason they were killed is because they were latinos....  far right crazies like <big pawn> and <gezafan> don't care. Rather they enjoy it > 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bb...

ii) <Black people were targeted in hate crimes more than any other group in the US. > 

< white people are killing black people all over america.  far right crazies like <big pawn> and <gezafan>don't care . Rather they enjoy it>

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bb...

(iii) in response to the stupid <crime post> of <gezafan> , such posts can be posted everyday.

Thank you guys .