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Sep-02-10
 | | Open Defence: <Grand Wazoo> sure thing! I could start a preliminary library on the Benko |
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Sep-08-10
| | Open Defence: <Grand Exalted Puba> will do the opening library today, was swamped with work so could not do this yesterday as intended! sorry for the delay |
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Sep-08-10
| | Open Defence: I'll collate some links <Oh Grand Exalted Puba> but first I think I need to post some material on this 5.Nbd2 dud which might win the vote! |
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| Sep-13-10 | | therealbenjinathan: <k> I have been thinking...I wonder if forums are actually more important in this game than they were in the first. Would be better off if we now had 2 or 3 forums for each of her next likely moves? I think we might be. |
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Sep-14-10
 | | kutztown46: <b> This is complicated. I still think there is merit in having forums. Some would disagree, and believe the analysis tree has rendered the forum system obsolete. In any case, the forum system fell apart the last game. I would be willing to give it another try except for one thing - the short time controls in this game make it nearly impossible for me to administer a forum system as I have done in the past. If you desire a fuller explanation, let me know. It is conceivable, however, that ad hoc forums will spring up during the game at the discretion of individual team members. |
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| Sep-15-10 | | therealbenjinathan: <k> I agree with you. There is just a part of me that wishes we right now had groups of people working on replies to b6. I think we are condemmed to a one day analysis cylce. |
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| Sep-18-10 | | bumble46: <kutztown46>:
Hi there!
Thanks for your support! And thanks for welcoming me to the team! I really appreciate it. Wow, this game is a tough one. The "46" in my user name is the age I married my wife, and for "bumble"...well that's a tough one to answer. I like dogs a lot. I have a Jack-Russell Terrier mix, rescue dog, named Calvin. He's my daughter's dog, but I'm the one who plays tugawar with him, sometimes for hours on end. My avatar is a collie! But I like shelties too. My wife and I are thinking of getting a collie, but we may need to wait awhile. You have a blue merle sheltie? Wow, that's cool. Did you train her yourself, or was he/she professionally trained? You know, I think all dogs are therapy animals: they are so playful and loving, at least most of them. Bye for now. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | thegoodanarchist: when can we start posting analysis? |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <thegoodanarchist: when can we start posting analysis?> Soon. I'll be posting more information in a few hours. |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: . *********
Engine Room 2 open for business.
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: After 10. Bf4
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 1.03a x64 4_CPU (25-ply):
1. = (0.08): 10...Bb7 11.Ne5 Nh5 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.Be3 Bd6 14.Nd3 Qe7 15.Nc3 Nhf6 16.Rac1 Rac8 17.Qb3 Bb8 18.Rc2 Ng4 2. = (0.11): 10...Ba6 11.Ne5 Rc8 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.Nc6 Nh5 14.Be3 Nb8 15.Nxe7+ Qxe7 16.Nc3 f5 17.Qd2 Nc6 18.Rac1 Nf6 19.Bf4 3. = (0.13): 10...h6 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Ba6 15.Ne5 Nxe5 16.dxe5 Qc7 17.Rac1 Rad8 18.Qa4 Rxd1+ 19.Rxd1 Bb7 20.Ne4 a5 21.Nd6 Rd8 22.Nxb7 Rxd1+ 23.Qxd1 Qxb7 24.Qc2 Bc5 25.Qd3 Qc7 26.a3 4. = (0.19): 10...Nh5 11.cxd5 cxd5 12.Bc7 Qe8 13.Nc3 Ndf6 14.Qd3 Qd7 15.Be5 Bb7 16.Bxf6 Nxf6 17.Ne5 Qd6 18.Nb5 Qb4 19.a3 Qa4 20.b3 Qa6 21.Rac1 Rac8 22.f3 g6 23.e3 5. = (0.25): 10...dxc4 11.Qxc4 Bb7 12.Nc3 Nd5 13.Nxd5 exd5 14.Qa4 Re8 15.Rac1 Nf6 16.a3 Bd6 17.Bxd6 Qxd6 18.e3 h6 19.Ne5 c5 20.b4 cxd4 6. = (0.25): 10...Qe8 11.Nbd2 Nh5 12.Bg5 Bb7 13.e4 Rc8 14.Bxe7 Qxe7 15.Re1 Nhf6 16.Rad1 dxe4 17.Nxe4 Nxe4 18.Rxe4 Rfd8 19.Re3 h6 7. ² (0.28): 10...Re8 11.cxd5 Nxd5 12.Bd2 Bb7 13.e4 Nb4 14.Bxb4 Bxb4 15.e5 Rc8 16.a3 Be7 17.Nc3 Nf8 18.Rac1 Qd7 19.Ne4 8. ² (0.28): 10...a6 11.Ne5 Bb7 12.Nc3 b5 13.Nxd7 Nxd7 14.c5 b4 15.Na4 a5 16.e4 Re8 17.b3 Ba6 18.exd5 exd5 19.Re1 Bb5 9. ² (0.31): 10...Kh8 11.cxd5 cxd5 12.Rc1 Bb7 13.Qa4 Rc8 14.Rxc8 Qxc8 15.Nc3 Qc6 16.Qb3 Ba6 17.Rc1 Nh5 18.Bg5 Bc4 19.Qc2 Nhf6 20.Ne5 Nxe5 21.dxe5 Ng8 22.Be3 10. ² (0.33): 10...a5 11.Ne5 Bb7 12.Nc3 Nh5 13.Bc1 Nhf6 14.e4 dxc4 15.Nxc4 b5 16.Ne3 Qb6 17.b3 a4 18.Rb1 axb3 19.Rxb3 b4 |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <Engine Room 2 volunteers>: This would be a good time to begin our organized Engine Room effort. The plan is to provide the team with engine analysis of as many relevant positions as possible with as many different engines as possible. According to the information supplied to the Engine Room, the following team members possess the following engines: Fritz: <chancho>, <Once> Hiarcs: <blue wave>
Houdini: <kutztown46> Rybka: <GamerMan>, <mcguigan97>, <JustWoodshifting>, <WinKing> Shredder: <Rimrock>, <Check It Out>, <thegoodanarchist> Stockfish: <zarg>, <Thanh Phan> For those engines with more than one team member listed, the workload could be shared. Please your engine analyses here in ER2. I will create an index of links which will be posted in the forum header. <What positions should be analyzed?> When it is GMP’s move, first we should analyze the current position. Then we should analyze the positions after all plausible GMP moves. This should be done while it is still GMP’s move. Once that is done, then feel free to slide forward on whatever line you believe is most likely, and post analysis at every half-ply. If a given move is forced, still post analysis for that position, but the search depth need not be as deep. <Rybka Analysts>: Please take care that you are not duplicating <RandomVisitor>’s work. Check his forum first and analyze positions that he has not. <Analysis Tree>: When posting engine analysis here, please take the time to also post your analysis at the Analysis Tree. It does not take long to open the AT, find the correct node, and paste your analysis. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | Garech: <kutztown46>
Hi - I'd like to offer my services. I have Stockfish 1.6 and a reasonably good processor, not sure exactly what but my analysis has been verified by others with super-fast comps, so it can't be bad =0) I've posted a lot of stuff already in the first engine room. Does it need to be re-posted here? I'm currently looking at 10...Bb7 11.Nc3 lines.
All the best,
-Garech |
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| Sep-21-10 | | lonepsycho: <kutztown46> Couple lines that I also posted to the Analysis Tree. 10. ... Bb7 11. Ne5 Nh5 12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. cxd5 cxd5 14. Nc6 Bxc6 15. Qxc6 Rc8 16. Qb5 Nb8 17. Nc3 a6 18. Qd3 b5 19. e3 Nc6 20. a4 b4 21. Ne2 Qb6 22. b3 Bd6 23. Rac1 ... 23. ... Rfd8 24. Rc2 Ne7 25. Rdc1 Rxc2 26. Rxc2 a5 27.f3 Rd7 23. ... Rc7 24. Rc2 Rfc8 25. Rdc1 Ne7 26. Rxc7 Rxc7 27. f3 a5 28. Rxc7 Bxc7 29. Kf2 Qc6 30. Ke1 23. ... Ne7 24. f3 Rfd8 25. Rxc8 Rxc8
I've only posted the lines as far as they are "reliable." Past the last move, I have infinite analysis but have not slid. |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <Garech>
Thanks for stopping by. You can help in one of two ways. You can, as part of the Stockfish sub-group, systematically analyze as many relevant positions as possible and post the results here, OR you can continue analyzing whatever you have been looking at, but post a copy of your results here also. If you have Stockfish analysis of the current position, please post it here. As for the analysis you posted in the other ER, don't worry about it now. If I get time later, I'll find it myself, and if still relevant, link to it as part of the as yet unstarted index which I plan to create in my forum header. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | thegoodanarchist: <kutztown46:
If you do not wish to be part of this organized effort but have engine analysis, please post your analysis at the Engine Room 2 (ER2)...> Hello <k-town>!
I have organized a list of every team member that I know of who has posted engine analysis since GNP's last move. I have used that info to make a table of every line being analyzed and who is or has worked on that line. The list of team members is in my profile, and the table of all lines being analyzed is in my forum. I will update it once or twice a day. I have personally directed my own efforts towards 10...Ba6, which I thought was "under staffed" while 10...Bb7 seems to have resources lavished upon it. However, I should have time, beginning Thursday evening, to also start analyzing requested positions/lines. Until then I will drop my lines in here and in the tree. Thanks for your efforts for the team!
Please feel free to drop by my profile/forum for information on spacebar masters and their analysis lines. Cheers :) |
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| Sep-21-10 | | WinKing: Hi <kutz> just let me know what needs to be looked at. I'll do my best to help in any way possible. Will keep checkin' in to see what's going on. I see you have your 'under construction' sign posted. No speeding thru construction zones - $500 dollar fine. I don't think my computer is fast enough to warrant being pulled over. :) |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <WinKing>
If you want to be part of the organized effort, find some positions that <RV> is not looking at and post the results here. The problem with Rybka, of course, is how it slows to a crawl when pv > 1. |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: After 10...Bb7
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 1.03a x64 4_CPU (24-ply):
1. = (0.09): 11.b3 Ne4 12.Nfd2 f5 13.Nxe4 dxe4 14.Nc3 Nf6 15.Rab1 Bd6 16.Bxd6 Qxd6 17.b4 Qe7 18.c5 Rfc8 19.Qb3 Ba6 20.a4 Rab8 2. = (0.06): 11.Ne5 Nh5 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.Be3 Bd6 14.Nd3 Qe7 15.Nc3 Nhf6 16.Rac1 Rac8 17.Qb3 Bb8 18.Bf4 Rc4 19.Bxb8 3. = (0.05): 11.a3 h6 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Nd2 Nd5 14.Nxc4 Nxf4 15.gxf4 Rc8 16.e3 Qc7 17.Rac1 Rfd8 18.Rd2 a5 19.Rdd1 Ba6 20.Bf1 Rb8 4. = (0.03): 11.cxd5 cxd5 12.Qd3 Ne4 13.Nc3 Rc8 14.Rac1 Bd6 15.Bxd6 Nxd6 16.Rc2 b5 17.Rdc1 Qa5 18.a3 Nc4 19.Nd2 5. = (0.03): 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Qc7 15.e3 Rac8 16.Rac1 h6 17.a3 Rfd8 18.Rd2 a5 19.Rdd1 Ba6 20.Bf1 Rb8 6. = (0.00): 11.a4 Rc8 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Ne5 Nd5 14.Nxc4 Nxf4 15.gxf4 Qc7 16.e3 a5 17.Rac1 Rfd8 18.Ne4 Ba6 19.Ng5 Bxg5 20.fxg5 c5 21.b3 cxd4 7. = (0.00): 11.Ne1 Rc8 12.Nc3 Nh5 13.Be3 Nhf6 14.Bf4 Nh5 8. = (0.00): 11.Nbd2 c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb3 Be7 14.cxd5 Nxd5 15.Bd2 Qc8 16.Rdc1 Rd8 17.Qe4 Qb8 18.Nbd4 N5f6 19.Qh4 Nc5 9. = (0.00): 11.Nfd2 Nh5 12.Be3 Nhf6 13.Bf4 Nh5
10. = (0.00): 11.e3 Nh5 12.h4 h6 13.Be5 Nhf6 14.Bxf6 Nxf6 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Rac1 Ng4 17.Bh3 Nf6 18.Bg2 Ng4 |
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| Sep-21-10 | | bayowulf: I am using Aquarium which lends itself to a different style of engine analysis than just running one engine on infinite analysis. I can run multiple engines and it creates a huge minimaxed tree. Its a good way to bring together alot of analysis - but I guess that is not what you are looking for here in this room. Where would be the best place to post the results of that analysis? |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <bayowulf>
Can you post an example - maybe the current position? |
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| Sep-21-10 | | thegoodanarchist: this chess engine novice asks "what is pv?" |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: After 10...Ba6
click for larger viewAnalysis by Houdini 1.03a x64 4_CPU (25-ply):
1. = (0.13): 11.Ne5 Rc8 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.Nc6 Nh5 14.Be3 Nb8 15.Nxe7+ Qxe7 16.Nc3 Nc6 17.Rac1 Nf6 18.Bf3 Bc4 19.Bf4 h6 20.h3 2. = (0.11): 11.cxd5 Nxd5 12.Nc3 Nxf4 13.gxf4 Qc7 14.e3 Rfd8 15.Rac1 Rac8 16.Ng5 Nf6 17.Nce4 Nxe4 18.Qxe4 Bxg5 19.fxg5 c5 20.Qg4 Rb8 21.Qg3 Qxg3 22.fxg3 Be2 3. = (0.06): 11.Nbd2 Nh5 12.Be3 Nhf6 13.Rac1 Rc8 14.Bg5 Bb7 15.Qd3 c5 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Bf4 h6 18.h3 Ne4 19.Ne5 4. = (0.00): 11.b3 Rc8 12.Nc3 h6 13.e4 dxc4 14.Nd2 b5 15.bxc4 bxc4 16.Na4 c5 17.d5 exd5 18.exd5 g5 19.d6 gxf4 20.dxe7 Qxe7 21.Nxc4 Bxc4 22.Qxc4 fxg3 23.hxg3 Rfd8 24.Qf4 5. = (0.00): 11.Nfd2 Nh5 12.Be3 Nhf6 13.Bf4 Nh5
6. = (-0.25): 11.Nc3 Bxc4 12.Rac1 a5 13.e4 dxe4 14.Nxe4 Bd5 15.Nc3 Rc8 16.Qe2 h6 17.Nxd5 Nxd5 18.Bd2 Bf6 19.Ne5 Bxe5 20.dxe5 Qc7 21.f4 Rfd8 22.Be1 |
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Sep-21-10
| | kutztown46: <thegoodanarchist: this chess engine novice asks "what is pv?"> I think it stands for "principal variations". If you look at my analysis I just posted for 10...Ba6, pv = 6. The value of pv determines how many lines are shown. As you increase pv, all engines take longer to reach a certain ply depth. However, the effect is much more noticeable with Rybka than with other engines. |
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| Sep-21-10 | | WinKing: Another idea <kutz> is if one of the Rybka analysts knows how to use 'IDeA' with Rybka. You need a really fast computer for this though. <Dionyseus> was a master at using this feature of Rybka. Many variations come up that infinite analysis misses. Just a thought. |
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