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   kutztown46 has kibitzed 4408 times to chessgames [more...]

   Jan-27-18 Team White vs Team Black, 2017

kutztown46: A majority vote for 1-0 means we resign.

   Dec-27-16 WinKing chessforum

kutztown46: <WinKing> Merry Christmas!

   Dec-27-16 Golden Executive chessforum

kutztown46: Merry Christmas, <GE>!

   Nov-30-16 Carlsen vs Karjakin, 2016

kutztown46: <If both survive the lirpa, they will continue with the Ahn'woon.> This fight is to the death!

   Nov-03-16 Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016)

kutztown46: Does anyone know the starting time for the games?

   Oct-30-16 chessgames.com chessforum

kutztown46: Sorry if this was already covered, but will viewing of the live games of the World Championship be limited to premium members?

   May-20-16 chancho chessforum

kutztown46: Do you play bridge online at BBO? I ran into a player with a user name of "chancho58". before I had a chance to ask if it was you, he left the table.

   Mar-16-16 Team White vs Team Black, 2015

kutztown46: Wait a minute. I've only read the first 100 pages of kibitzing!

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Sep-21-10		bayowulf: Well, there is no current position - I have a huge minimaxed tree starting with 10 Bf4 and it pretty much already includes most of the lines mentioned so far that people have been working on. I have been going thru lines posted in the other engine room and comparing them to what I already have. In cases of deviations I add the new position to the analysis queue and check back later. But what I can do is post the best play I have discovered so far. 62383 positions down stream from 10.. Bb7 Minimaxed at +0.15 10. Bb7 Ne5 click for larger view and then equal are two lines that transpose to the each other: a. 11..Rc8 12. Nc3 b5 13. c5 Nxe5 14. Bxe5 Nd7 15. Bf4 e5 16. dxe5 Nxc5 * b. 11..Nh5 (there are a lot of equal subbranches that I am going to ignore for this example) 12. Be3 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Rc8 14. Nc3 b5 15. c5 Nxe5 16. Bxe5 Nd7 17. Bf4 e5 18. dxe5 Nxc5 * click for larger view I just got Aquarium and am still learning how to use it. I am using this game as a means to validate it.

Sep-21-10		bayowulf: < WinKing: Another idea <kutz> is if one of the Rybka analysts knows how to use 'IDeA' with Rybka. You need a really fast computer for this though. <Dionyseus> was a master at using this feature of Rybka. Many variations come up that infinite analysis misses. Just a thought.> Thats what I am doing per my previous post above - but I don't have much experience with tweaking the settings yet. I am not just using Rybka - I am also using other engines to add variety. I am concurrently using three Rybka engines and also one each of Fire, Critter and Robblito.

Sep-21-10		bayowulf: Just swapped out one Rybka engine for a Houdini. :)

Sep-21-10		WinKing: <bayowulf:Thats what I am doing per my previous post above - but I don't have much experience with tweaking the settings yet. I am not just using Rybka - I am also using other engines to add variety. I am concurrently using three Rybka engines and also one each of Fire, Critter and Robblito.> I have played around with it myself <bayowulf> but am not very proficient with 'IDeA'. There may be some help for you in my forum though. Go to page 1 of my forum & read the posts <Dionyseus> sent me. They may be of some help to you. :)

Sep-21-10		kutztown46: After 10...h6 click for larger view Analysis by Houdini 1.03a x64 4_CPU (25-ply): 1. = (0.15): 11.Nc3 Bb7 12.Qb3 Nh5 13.Bd2 Nhf6 14.Rac1 Rc8 15.Bf4 Nh5 16.Be3 Nhf6 17.Ne1 Ng4 18.Bf4 g5 19.Bd2 c5 20.cxd5 cxd4 21.d6 Bxg2 22.dxe7 Qxe7 23.Kxg2 dxc3 24.Bxc3 Qc5 25.Nd3 Qc6+ 2. = (0.13): 11.Ne5 Bb7 12.Nc3 g5 13.cxd5 cxd5 14.Be3 Rc8 15.Rac1 Nxe5 16.dxe5 Nd7 17.Bd4 Bc5 18.e3 g4 19.h3 gxh3 20.Bxh3 Qg5 21.Kg2 Qg7 22.f4 h5 3. = (0.11): 11.a4 a5 12.Ne5 Bb7 13.Nc3 g5 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.Be3 Rc8 16.Qd2 Nxe5 17.dxe5 Nd7 18.Bd4 f5 19.e3 Nc5 20.Qe2 4. = (0.10): 11.cxd5 cxd5 12.Ne5 Bb7 13.Nc6 Bxc6 14.Qxc6 Rc8 15.Qa4 g5 16.Bd2 Nb8 17.Bc3 Qd7 18.Qxd7 Nfxd7 19.Nd2 Nc6 20.a3 f5 21.Bf1 5. = (0.07): 11.Nbd2 Bb7 12.Rac1 Nh5 13.Be5 Rc8 14.Qa4 a6 15.Qc2 c5 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Bh3 Nhf6 18.Qb1 Re8 19.Qf5 c4 6. = (0.05): 11.e3 Bb7 12.Nc3 a6 13.a3 dxc4 14.Ne5 Nxe5 15.Bxe5 Qc8 16.Bxf6 Bxf6 17.Ne4 Be7 18.Qxc4 c5 19.dxc5 bxc5 20.Rd2 Bd5 7. = (0.05): 11.a3 Bb7 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.Ne5 Nd5 14.Nxc4 Nxf4 15.gxf4 Qc7 16.e3 a5 17.Rac1 Rfd8 18.Ne4 Rac8 19.Qb3 Ra8 8. = (0.05): 11.Qb3 Ba6 12.Nbd2 Bb7 13.Rac1 c5 14.dxc5 Bxc5 15.cxd5 exd5 16.Qd3 Re8 17.Nb3 Rc8 18.Nbd4 g5 19.Bd2 g4 20.Nh4 9. = (0.00): 11.Nfd2 Nh5 12.Be3 Nhf6 13.Nc3 a5 14.Bf3 Ba6 15.Bf4 Rc8 16.e4 dxc4 17.a4 c5 18.d5 g5 19.dxe6 fxe6 10. = (0.00): 11.b3 Ba6 12.Nc3 Rc8 13.e4 dxc4 14.Nd2 b5 15.bxc4 g5 16.Be3 Ng4 17.e5 bxc4 18.Bh3 Nxe3 19.fxe3 Nb6 20.Bxe6 fxe6 21.Qg6+ Kh8 22.Qxh6+ Kg8 23.Qg6+ Kh8

Sep-21-10		Kinghunt: You can add me to the list of computer analysts too, I guess. I primarily use Houdini, although I also use Stockfish to get a second opinion on some of my lines. I don't have particularly strong hardware though. All my analysis is done on my laptop, which, while decently strong for a laptop, is still only a laptop. I have a 2.0 Ghz Intel Duo CPU T6400 with 4GB of RAM, running a 64 bit operating system.

Sep-21-10		chancho: From Sept 20 at the Engine room: 1) = (0.15) 10.Bf4 Bb7 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf4 14.gxf4 Rc8 15.Rac1 Qc7 16.e3 Rcd8 17.Ne5 Nxe5 2)= (0.20) 10.Bf4 Nh5 11.Be3 Nhf6 12.cxd5 cxd5 13.Bf4 a5 14.Rc1 Ba6 15.Qd1 a4 16.h3 Re8 17.e3 Rc8 18.Nbd2 3) (0.33) 10.Bf4 Ba6 11.Ne5 Nxe5 12.dxe5 Ng4 13.cxd5 cxd5 14.Qa4 Bb7 15.Bf3 g5 16.Bxg4 gxf4 17.Qxf4 Rc8 18.Nc3 Depth 21/49 741 kn/s Fritz 10 Deep Position Analysis

Sep-22-10		chancho: 1) = (0.17) 10.Bf4 Bb7 11.Nc3 Nh5 12.Be3 Nhf6 13.Rac1 Rc8 14.cxd5 cxd5 15.Qd3 16.Bf4 a6 17.Nb1 Bd6 2.= (0.19) 10.Bf4 Bb7 11.Nc3 dxc4 12.Nd2 Nd5 13.Nxc4 Nxf5 14.gxf4 Qc7 15.e3 rad8 16.Rac1 a5 17.a4 Nf6 18.Qb3 c5 19.Qxb6 3) = (0.19) 10.Bf4 Bb7 11.Nc3 Rc8 12.Ne5 b5 13.c5 Nxe5 14.Bxe5 Nd7 15.Bf4 f5 16.h3 e5 17.dxe5 Nxc5 18.Rac1 b4 19.Na4 Ne6 Depth 22/50 831 kn/s Fritz 10 Deep Position Analysis

Sep-22-10		Thanh Phan: <Sandpapered> <<notes<...Bb7 11.Nc3 >Without dxc4>> Used Stockfish for Blacks moves 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. g3 Bb4+ 5. Bd2 Be7 6. Bg2 c6 7. O-O O-O 8. Qc2 b6 9. Rd1 Nbd7 10. Bf4 Bb7 11. Nc3 Nh5 12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. b3 Ba6 14. Nd2 Rc8 15. e4 c5 16. exd5 30 25:28 2.513.683,773 1.644.529 <+0.04> c5xd4 d5xe6 f7xe6 Nc3e4 e6e5 Nd2f3 Nf6xe4 Qc2xe4 Be7f6 Qe4g4 Qd8c7 Bc1a3 Rf8e8 Nf3d2 Kg8h8 Bg2d5 Bf6e7 Ba3xe7 Re8xe7 Nd2e4 Nd7f6 Ne4xf6 g7xf6 f2f4 Re7g7 Qg4h4 e5xf4 Rd1xd4 f4xg3 h2xg3 Rg7xg3+ Kg1h1 Qc7e5 Ra1d1 f6f5 29 19:44 1.958.937.353 1.654.414 <0.00> c5xd4 d5xe6 f7xe6 Nc3e4 e6e5 Nd2f3 Nf6xe4 Qc2xe4 Be7f6 Qe4g4 Qd8c7 Bc1a3 Rf8e8 Nf3d2 Kg8h8 Bg2d5 Bf6e7 Ba3xe7 Re8xe7 Nd2e4 Rc8f8 Rd1e1 Ba6b7 Ra1c1 Nd7c5 Rc1d1 Re7f7 Bd5xb7

Sep-22-10		blue wave: OK <8. = (0.00): 11.Nbd2 c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb3 Be7 14.cxd5 Nxd5 15.Bd2 Qc8 16.Rdc1 Rd8 17.Qe4 Qb8 18.Nbd4 N5f6 19.Qh4 Nc5> I think 11...c5 is blacks best. But 11...Nh5 is OK too. So what is the pros and cons of 11.Nbd2? Pluses - 1.It supports the c4 pawn along with the Queen. 2.It also supports the the possible move of e4. 3.Has the option of going to b3 which is useful to help fight for the c5 square. Negatives - 1.It blocks the rooks direct support of the d4 pawn 2.It blocks the retreat of the bishop to d2 or d1, leaving only e3 as a retreat square. Depth 13:1/56 from move 15 on hiarcs eval is +0.08 <15.Ne5 Rc8 16.Qb1 Nxe5 17.Bxe5 Bf6 18.Qe4 Bxe5 19.Qxe5 Qc7 20.Qxc7 Rxc7 21.e4 Nb4> But sliding along this line to move 18. I get <18...Qe7 19.e3 Rfd8 20.Nd4 Bg5 21.b3 f6 22.Bf4 Ncf4 23.Qxb7 Nh3 24.Kf1 Rc7> and the eval is =0.00 is of no benefit to white. Equal.

Sep-22-10		kutztown46: <bayowulf> I think this forum is a good place for you to post your IDeA lines. Please continue to do so. <Kinghunt> If you want to contribute Houdini analysis here, I can switch to Stockfish. <blue wave> What is black's 10th move in your line?

Sep-22-10		thegoodanarchist: lightly sandpapered: 10. ... Ba6 11.Nbd2 Rc8 12.h4 And now the tempting 12…dxc4 is bad for Black: 13.Nxc4 Nd5 14.Bg5 c5 15.Qa4 Nb8 16.e4 b5 17.Qa3 bxc4 18.exd5 exd5 19.Bxe7 Qxe7 20.Rd2 Rfd8 21.Re1 +0.30 (21 ply) Instead Black seems to maintain equality with 12. ... h6 13.e3 Nh5 14.Rac1 c5 15.Qa4 Nxf4 16.exf4 Bb7 17.cxd5 exd5 18.Bh3 Bc6 19.Qc2 Rc7 (+0.07) 21/21

Sep-22-10		WinKing: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 6.Bg2 c6 7.O-O O-O 8.Qc2 b6 9.Rd1 Nbd7 10.Bf4 <10...Bb7 11.b3 c5!?> click for larger view ******** Rybka 3 [+0.16] d=21 12.Nc3 Rc8 13.Nb5 a6 14.Nd6 Bxd6 15.Bxd6 Re8 16.Ne5 cxd4 17.Rxd4 Nxe5 18.Bxe5 Nd7 19.Bd6 Nf6 20.Ba3 e5 21.Rh4 Qc7 [-0.07] d=21 12.e3 dxc4 13.bxc4 Qc8 14.Qe2 Nh5 15.Nc3 cxd4 16.exd4 Nxf4 [-0.08] d=21 12.Na3 a6 13.cxd5 Bxd5 14.Qb2 cxd4 15.Nc2 Rc8 16.Ncxd4 h6 17.Rac1 Rxc1 18.Rxc1 Qa8 19.Nc2 ****** My line Rybka 3 after: <10...Bb7 11.b3 c5!?> [+0.16] d=21 12.Nc3 Rc8 13.Nb5 a6 14.Nd6 Bxd6 15.Bxd6 Re8 16.Ne5 cxd4 17.Rxd4 Nxe5 18.Bxe5<(Diagram)> Nd7 19.Bd6 Nf6 20.Ba3 e5 21.Rh4 Qc7(The analysis here shows white with a slight plus but I actually prefer black) click for larger view <RandomVisitor>'s same line at d/23 Rybka 4 after: <10...Bb7 11.b3> [-0.06] d=23 11...c5 12.Nc3 dxc4 13.dxc5 [13.bxc4 cxd4 14.Rxd4 Bc5! is critical 15.Rdd1 Qc8 favors black] cxb3 14.axb3 Bxc5 15.Ne5 Bxg2 16.Kxg2 Qc8<(Diagram)> 17.Nxd7 Nxd7 18.Qd3 Nf6 19.Qf3 a5 20.Rac1 Rd8 21.Rxd8+ Qxd8 22.Na4 Rc8 23.Nxc5 click for larger view ******** Judging from the diagrams & the analysis shown I can not recommend the line <10...Bb7 11.b3 c5!?>. White would IMO have no more than a draw & may in some lines be struggling for equality. Blacks position is solid in both of the above examples.

Sep-22-10		frogbert: winking, interesting first page of your forum! like bayowulf i'm toying with "idea" in aquarium at the moment, and i in particular am interested in the possibility of restricting the moves that the engine(s) spend time on as this often seems easier than "forcing" specific content into the hash. [my experience is that engines sometimes are very "slow to learn" that a specific move needs to be played - typically because it depends on eveluating a line "too deeply", so that one with "normal" approaches can't keep that result in the hash while at the same time exploring alternative moves earlier in the game. also, if the hash becomes too big, it tends to stop being useful.] for the time being i can't commit to much organized engine analysis, but i might step in at some later point in the game.

Sep-22-10		WinKing: <frogbert:for the time being i can't commit to much organized engine analysis, but i might step in at some later point in the game.> Yes 'IDeA' does need you to be committed to it. You have to keep constantly feeding it lines. But like a garden with proper care it will give you a nice return. You will receive information that regular engine runs won't give you. Well I hope you stick around with us as we sure need your help in this game. :)

Sep-22-10		blue wave: <8. = (0.00): 11.Nbd2 c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb3 Be7 14.cxd5 Nxd5 15.Bd2 Qc8 16.Rdc1 Rd8 17.Qe4 Qb8 18.Nbd4 N5f6 19.Qh4 Nc5> this is your work that I started to slide along with hiarcs 12.1 This is what I found in the 10...Bb7 line after 11.Nbd2. What is black's 10th move in your line?<<10...Bb7> 11.Nbd2 c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb3 Be7 14.cxd5 Nxd5 15.Ne5 Rc8 16.Qb1 Nxe5 17.Bxe5 Bf6 18.Qe4 Bxe5 19.Qxe5 Qc7 20.Qxc7 Rxc7 21.e4 Nb4> But sliding along this line to move 18. I get <18...Qe7 19.e3 Rfd8 20.Nd4 Bg5 21.b3 f6 22.Bf4 Ncf4 23.Qxb7 Nh3 24.Kf1 Rc7> and the eval is =0.00. Equal.

Sep-22-10		goslinga: 10. ...Bb7 11. Nbd2 Analysis by Rybka 3 on an older machine: 1. (0.00) 11. ...c5 12. dc5 Bc5 13. cd5 Rc8 14. Qd3 Nd5 15 Ne4 Be7 16 Qd2 N7f6 (or Bb4 repeating moves) 2. (0.11) 11. ...Nh5 12. Be3 Nhf6 13. Rc1 Rc8 14. Qd3 Ng4 15 Bf4 g6 3. (0.11) 11. ...Nh5 12. Be3 Nhf6 13. a3 c5 14. Rac1 4. (0.15) 11. ...Rc8 12. e4 Nh5 13. Be3 Nhf6 Summary: Nbd2 is hardly sufficient for equality after 11. ...c5. There are some chances if the opponent is eager to try the 11. ...Nh5 or even better the 11. ...Rc8 variation. Also as one poster pointed out, the N on d2 blocks the sometimes useful retreat of the B to c1 to prepare for it being redeployed on b2. I have lost faith in this line and will spend my cycles elsewhere.

Sep-22-10		blue wave: <goslinga> have to agree with your post. Nice work. I'm starting to feel the same way too. I might try to do a little more checking on 11...c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 <13.Nb3> but I think its still only equality.

Sep-22-10		Golden Executive: < thegoodanarchist: MORNING UPDATE ON WORLD TEAM ENGINE ALLOCATION 9.22.2010> 10…Bb7 11.Ne5 b5: <Golden Executive> <RandomVisitor> click for larger view Analysis by Fritz 12, Depht 23-ply, standpapered each half move same depth (14 hours total running) 12.Nxd7. Nxd7 13.c5 a5 14.Nd2 g5 15.Be3 Re8 (0.42) click for larger view I think is not very comfortable for black

Sep-22-10		bayowulf: IDeA analysis report for today. I think my head is going to expode. I have discovered today that navigating thru the tree IDeA I found myself going in loops, repeating the same position over and over. Apparently the tree contains looped paths - something I would not have guessed beforhand. It may also reflect convergence of lines. What I am to do here is present plausible lines starting from 10. Bf4 Bb7 11.Ne5 11..Nh5 ( 11..Rc8 transposes) 11..Nh5 click for larger view (IDeA +0.11)12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Bd2 [14. Bc1 Nhf6 15. Bf4 ] Nhf6 15. Bf4 with repetition Nh5 etc. 12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 click for larger view (IDeA +0.11) 14. Be3 Bd6 15. cxd5 cxd5 16. Nd3 Rc8 [16... Qe7 17. Nc3 Rac8 18. Rac1 ]; [16... cxd5 17. Nc3 Rac8 18. Rac1 ] 17. Nc3 Qe7 18. Rac1 [18. Qb3 Bb8 19. Rac1 Nhf6 20. Bf4 * ] Nhf6 19. Qb3 Bb8 20. Bf4 [20. Bd2] Bxf4 * click for larger view (IDeA +0.11) 12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Be3 Bd6 15. Nd3 Qe7 16. cxd5 exd5 17. Nc3 Rfe8 18. Bf3 Nhf6 19. Bf4 Rac8 20. Rac1 a5 21. e3 [21. Bxd6 Qxd6 22. Nf4 Ba6 23. e3 Re7 ] Ba6 22. Bxd6 Qxd6 23. Nf4 Re7 24. Qf5 Ree8 click for larger view (IDeA +0.11) 12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Be3 Bd6 15. Nd3 Qe7 16. cxd5 exd5 17. Nc3 Rfe8 18. Bf3 Nhf6 19. Bf4 Rac8 20. Rac1 a5 21. e3 Ba6 22. Bxd6 Qxd6 23. Nf4 [FEN " click for larger view "] 23... g6 24. Be2 (24. Re1 Rcd8 25. h4) 24... Bxe2 25. Qxe2 Nf8 * 23... h6 24. Na4 Bc4 *

Sep-22-10		bayowulf: (IDeA +0.11)12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Be3 Bd6 15. Nd3 Qe7 16. cxd5 exd5 17. Nc3 Rfe8 18. Bf3 Nhf6 19. Bf4 Rac8 20. Rac1 a5 21. Bxd6 Qxd6 22. Nf4 g6 23. e3 Ba6 24. Be2 Bxe2 25. Qxe2 Nf8 * click for larger view 24. Re1 Rcd8 25. h4 * 24. Rd2 Rcd8 * After 23. e3: click for larger view 23... Ra8 24. Be2 Nf8 * 23... Ra8 24. Nd3 Ba6 25. Nf4 Bb7 26. Be2 Nf8 * 23... Ra8 24. Ra1 Rad8 25. Rac1 Ra8 26. Be2 Nf8 * 23... Ra8 24. h4 * (IDeA +0.11)12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Be3 Bd6 15. Nd3 Qe7 16. cxd5 exd5 17. Nc3 Rfe8 18. Bf3 Nhf6 19. Bf4 Rac8 20. Rac1 [20. Bxd6 Qxd6 21. Rac1 a5 22. Nf4 ] a5 21. Bxd6 Qxd6 22. Nf4 Nf8 23. Na4 N8d7 click for larger view (IDeA +0.11) 12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Be3 Bd6 15. Nd3 Qe7 16. cxd5 exd5 17. Nc3 Rfe8 18. Bf3 Nhf6 19. Bf4 * click for larger view 19... Ba6 20. Bxd6 Qxd6 21. Nf4 g5 22. Nd3 Bc4 * 19... Nf8 20. Rac1 Ne6 21. Bxd6 Qxd6 22. e3 Rad8 * (IDeA +0.11) 12. Bc1 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Nh5 14. Bd2 Nhf6 15. Bf4 Nh5 * with repetition. (IDeA +0.11)12. Be3 Bd6 13. cxd5 cxd5 14. Nd3 Rc8 15. Nc3 Qe7 16. Rac1 Nhf6 17. Qb3 Bb8 18. Bf4 Bxf4 * click for larger view (IDeA +0.11) 12. cxd5 cxd5 13. Be3 Bd6 14. Nd3 *

Sep-22-10		bayowulf: (IDeA +0.18)12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Rc8 14. Nc3 Nh5 15. Bc1 Qc7 16. Nxd7 Qxd7 17. e4 dxe4 18. Nxe4 [18. Qxd4] Rcd8 * click for larger view (IDeA +0.18) 12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Rc8 14. Nc3 b5 15. Nxd7 Nxd7 16. c5 e5 17. dxe5 Nxc5 18. a3 * click for larger view (IDeA +0.18) 12. Bd2 Nhf6 13. Bf4 Rc8 14. Nc3 b5 15. Nxd7 Qxd7 16. c5 b4 17. Nb1 * click for larger view

Sep-22-10		bayowulf: OMG! This takes too much time to wade thru the tree and create a kibitz. I don't think I will do any more of this except to respond to specific positions when the debate about the next move heats up.

Sep-23-10		blue wave: <11.Nbd2> c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5 13.Nb3 Be7 14.cxd5 Rc8 15.Qd3 Nxd5 16.e4 N5f6 17.Nh4 Qe8 18.Rdc1 Nc5 19.Nxc5 Bxc5 20.e5 Nd5 21.Bxd5 exd5 d=12:1/38 -0.36 for black. or +0.36 for white. So it seems the move of 13.Nb3 keeps white in the game.

Sep-23-10		OhioChessFan: How should I edit the header to Engine Room 1?

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