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| Aug-08-07 | | Themofro: Continued from before (sorry for the double post):
<Kutztown: On the other hand, who am I to tell <Artar1> after he just spent 20 hours straight doing analysis that he has to go to a different page to post a Star Trek comment? Also, we can't be all business all the time. To some extent, <<<it builds camaraderie among the team when we kid around with each other.>>>> I particularly agree with the commraderie thing, i think that just sort of chilling out in the central forum when taking breaks from the analysis really helps the team as it brings us closer and i at least think that it endows in us a sense of responsibility to try to do good for the team. I know for me at least that when i joined the GMYS game at move 13 or so and first starting posting analysis (at first it was all in a big block, hard to distinguish and pure computer so probably not high quality at first lol) i was mainly doing it because i thought it was an interesting idea and wanted to try it out. However, after the team accepted me as one of thier own and i started to become freinds with some of the team members (really all the main team leaders are terrific human beings IMHO) then i started to analyse more and make a effort to try to do more for the team because i realized that i had found something special. A place we can all get to know each other and be freinds, where we can share our common love of the game, where we can all work towards a common goal and greatly improve our own game at the same time (the GMYS game improved me more than any other single game i think I've ever played) etc. Due to this i started to feel a bit of a connection to the team and a wish and desire to try to work harder and try to give back to the team that had accepted me as own of thier own. It's really the bonding between team members and the sense of wanting to do your part for the team i think that's make the team as strong as we are. Also, during the horrendous d4 vs. e4 debates, when i started doing the Star Trek poll, i think that helped a little bit as it cooled down a few tempers and brought people from both sides of the aisle in however slight a way it might have been. Overall, i think the forum system works fine (right now we aren't even implementing it really. We'll have RV turning out 30 ply analysis, Artar1 doing double digit hours, I'll be collecting all of the analysis done into one cohesive and compact forum, etc.) and that it's qualities will become more transparent later on among other reason previously quoted. Just my two cents anyway. |
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| Aug-08-07 | | Arkanin: Re <RandomVisitor's suggestion> and <Kutztown46's response>, that's an interesting social problem. In our situation, I think the solution to the problem would be some laxness about our expectation that people use the forum. I think a policy of "Try not to be excessively OT for a long time" would be good; people getting ripped up over a joke or an interesting anecdote would be just very bad. It doesn't only hurt morale, happiness, and the team's trust in one another; we'd probably lose good people to excessive 'don't be OT'-nazism because they aren't just being rewarded in the same way (see <Godwin's law> :>). So if such a policy were kept lax, I personally think <Boomie's> idea is good and would be successful. What would matter is that we don't <make people> keep OT dialogue in the OT forum, but instead make the OT forum a place where we can talk to each other outside the debate. Maybe you would go so far as to frame it as, rather than an <off topic stuff goes here> forum, a <let's get to know each other and chat> forum. |
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Aug-09-07
 | | kutztown46: <Arkanin: Anyway. If you don't mind it, at any rate, I'd like to use a forum to archive my summary posts: http://positionsummary.freeforums.org.... I do think this is a good clean system for this purpose, and if I can get help (say, a second summarizer), it will be very easy for us to write summaries collaboratively via the forum system. We can just split candidate moves and then post descriptions of them in the locked topic. If you don't mind making that my current forum location, it would be appreciated. :)> I think your idea of using another forum to archive your summaries is excellent. I wish I would have somehow saved some of my forum header info from the last game. Also, if the use of the other forum for collaboration in writing summaries is helpful, the by all means, go for it (although I doubt that you will have consistent help in this area). I do think, however, that the FINISHED summary for each move belongs on the main page with a copy in your CG forum header. |
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Aug-09-07
| | kutztown46: <Themofro>: I enjoyed reading your very interesting testimonial. BTW, I did not mean to exclude anyone from this discussion. I just asked a few people who were very active in the forum system in the last game to review <Arkanin>'s post and my response. I had a similar experience in that I started the last game as a newcomer but once I was accepted and found my niche, it made me feel more committed to the team and more willing to do things (like the first variation index). The small talk, while we should not allow it to become excessive, does help to bond us together as a team. |
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Aug-09-07
| | kutztown46: <Arkanin>: Very perceptive and thoughtful - I think you are right. If we ever do start a "chit chat" forum, it should be framed in a positive way, such as "over here is the forum where we take a break from chess and get to know each other". If we do it the other way - "if you must post something off topic, please go over here to do it", that has a very negative sound to it. |
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| Aug-10-07 | | Artar1: I don't get it! What's wrong with <dysfunctional?> Why that's my middle name. I'm away on vacation, so I can't spend too much time at the terminal, although I have managed to convince the hotel staff to upgrade their computer to an Intel Quad Core so I can do a little sliding forward analysis between bus tours! Just kidding...sort of...
It's that dysfunctional thang, I mean thing, that was mentioned. You mean there will be no more Star Trek discussions? Maybe GMT needs some help?
Ta ta for now!
Sorry if I'm not more functional, but I have late onset ADD! |
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| Aug-12-07 | | Arkanin: <Kutztown>, that's kind of you, and I'm glad you see it that way. :) I wanted to ask, is a summary for 3. necessary? It seems that Bg2 is the clear winner by a landslide, so should the need for a summary be delayed? |
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Aug-12-07
 | | OhioChessFan: Ktown: <Regarding a "chat" or "off topic" or "water cooler" forum (I love that name for it), I can't decide if I like the idea or not. > I've been thinking about that one. Nothing like 200 pages of kibitzing before the first move to make you wish there was some way to distill out the idle chatter from the analysis. Sometimes I enjoy it. Sometimes I get a day behind and don't want to go thru the off topic stuff. Realizing there may be much gray area, I've had the thought that it could be a self policed idea. Do I wish to comment on the weather, joke about someone else's previous comment, etc? I could easily do that by the simple method of highlighting the words "Water Cooler" on the first line of my post. ie, < Water Cooler > Anyone think Brady Quinn will start by the end of the season? ******************
Seems to me that would help some, wouldn't take much effort, and everyone would be free to police themselves. |
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Aug-12-07
| | kutztown46: <Arkanin: I wanted to ask, is a summary for 3. necessary? It seems that Bg2 is the clear winner by a landslide, so should the need for a summary be delayed?> I don't think it's necessary. It won't change the outcome of the vote. However, if you want to use the opportunity to put together a "practice" summary, that might not hurt. I'll leave it up to you. The only problem is, there has not been much written about other moves than 3. Bg2. |
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Aug-12-07
| | kutztown46: <OCF>: You know what would really be cool (but highly unlikely to happen)? What if cg.com created a feature whereby a flag could be set or not set for every post, depending on whether it is a serious post or <water cooler> stuff. Then they could create another feature which would allow the user to filter out (or not) all the non-serious posts. When you're in a hurry, apply the filter. When you're not, don't. |
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| Aug-18-07 | | benjinathan: <kutztown> I am starting to doubt whether I can make a meaningful contribution to a TN for this opening. I simply have never played the Dutch or against the Dutch. I am not withdrawing my forum use offer in any way, but if you think someone could do it better make the move> I have thick skin. No hard feelings whatsoever. I leave it up to you. I also wonder if someonme's forum could be a back up sticky. In other words, someone's forum header could contain the links to the various stats pages and other useful info that may be seen as cluttering up the sticky? Let me know. |
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| Aug-19-07 | | benjinathan: Duh! Right.
I leave the TN forum up to you. I am happy to do it. I am also willing to put time in. |
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| Aug-20-07 | | Boomie: <kutztown46: Boomie: Did you remove yourself from the sticky?> I didn't remove it but it seems redundant and there's been no activity. So let's leave it off for now. |
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Aug-22-07
 | | Tabanus: <kutztown46> The URL to your 2nd forum update has "#reply6473" at the end so that when clicking on the link, the post becomes immediately visible on top of the screen. How do I know this number for the "Last move" post URL? |
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Aug-22-07
| | kutztown46: <Tabanus>: I'm not sure. The only clue I can give you is that I used the kibitzing search feature on the "members only" page to find the post since I was lazy, didn't remember the date of the post and didn't want to go back one page at a time. I picked some obscure word in my post (I had a printed copy so I knew exactly what I said) to search on, and I found the post easily. I then selected it and it took me right to that post. At that point, the URL is what you see (with the reply number). Although we can't see it, evidently each message posted in a given forum has a unique message number. So the trick is to find the number of the post that you want to show up on top of the page. Good luck! |
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| Aug-22-07 | | benjinathan: <kutztown46> I have set up my forum to host consideration of <imag>'s 11.b4 suggestion. I have cut and pasted all of the discussion from the main thread, but I think it is confusing because I did so through my own posts. Do you want to look and give me feedback? |
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Aug-22-07
| | kutztown46: <benjinathan>: That's an excellent start! You've done a lot of good work already. I've trying to persuade <ajile> to do it, but if you decide to do it after all, that would be great! |
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| Aug-22-07 | | benjinathan: Keep trying on <ajile>. He would be a good choice. I really think that some knowledge of the Dutch will help the discussion. Do you want to report that my forum is now open for the 11. b4 discussion? |
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Aug-22-07
| | Tabanus: It's already reported on the main page, and the forum is added to the sticky! :) Let me know if there is some changes :) |
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Aug-22-07
| | kutztown46: <benjinathan: Do you want to report that my forum is now open for the 11. b4 discussion?> Too late. <Tabanus> already did. |
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Aug-22-07
| | Tabanus: <kutztown46> I have a tendency to act before I think, so if I'm too "active" sometimes, don't hesitate to let me know :) |
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Aug-23-07
 | | sbevan: <kutztown46>One of our most pressing needs is for a “chief summarizer”. During the last game, at times when it was our move and the choice was not obvious, numerous team members expressed a desire for someone to summarize the pros and cons of each candidate move clearly, concisely and fairly. The person who does this needs to have good communication skills, and must be a good enough player to understand and summarize all the arguments being made by others. The summarizer, in order to build trust with the team, should refrain from outspoken advocacy of moves and should be low key when expressing personal opinions. Whoever does this job should use his or her forum to write a summary that can be read and understood by everyone on the team. <TheDestruktor> did a wonderful job doing this at times during the last game, but it’s not clear that he will be participating this time. Another good choice would be <Arkanin>. See his or her eloquent post on page 133. Are you interested, <Arkanin>? Is anyone else willing to take this on? I'm prepared to do this. In fact I'd be really interested in this role. However, I don't have a chess engine so I don't know if that's a drawback for this task. If so, please say so
and I'll leave it to someone else to volunteer.
Like you I check the main page every day and as a Premium memeber I can set up the forum. So please let me know one way or the other. Thanks |
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Aug-23-07
| | kutztown46: <sbevan>: Thank you for your willingness to help the team as chief summarizer. <Arkanin> has accepted this position, although we have not seen any seriously contested moves since move 1, so we have not seen any summaries from him yet. I left a message on his forum. I told him the job is still his if he wants it, but if he is having second thoughts and is secretly wishing for someone else to do it, he should let me know. Stay tuned. |
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Aug-23-07
| | sbevan: Thanks for the prompt reply. I hadn't realised <Arkanin> had accepted, otherwise I wouldn't have stepped forward. But as you say, if he's had second thoughts I'd still be glad to accept.
If I can help him in any way, more than happy to be of assistance.
Very Best
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Aug-24-07
| | Tabanus: <kutztown46> Great list in your forum header! I will arrange the links to the active fora (including MrSpock) in the same order. |
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