This is how you would spot an Ed Trice (ET) sock puppet/s (SP) in a big message board with many real posters.

1. The SP will always agree with ET even if not present in the current forum. He can sometimes state that he hasn't decided yet but it will soon would be clear that he already decided.

2. The SP will always know someone that can verify the story but won't be able to provide the proof.

3. Sometimes the SP will provide sources to support the story but they will all lead backwards to ET.

4. If the forum is moderated it is most likely that it is oped by ET.

5. If the address of the site or the nickname of the SP starts with goth... it is almost certain this is ET.

6. If the language of the SP is juvenile but his proclaimed profession is respected, it is most likely this is ET.

7. The SP will ignore every poster that disagree with his or ET's logic.

8. The SP will answer most questions with a question of his own in the goal to raise doubt instead of reason and will use many combinations of shift+1 to emphasize how much he is right.

9. The SP will respect ET very much in direct conversation.

10. The SP will provide known links that was already posted by other SP or ET and exposed as frauds.

11. The SP will usually be a new member to the forum.

12. The SP will usually be interested to discuss only ET related issues.

13. The SP will never accept proof and documents that doesn't support his case and will try to shed mystery on even the strongest evidence.

14. The SP will always give too much information about himself. Much more than required for his arguments.

15. The SP will usually take offense in the name of ET.

16. The SP will share common interests with ET, most likely he will love to play a modified version of Capa-Chess and checkers.

17. The SP will never show a sense of humor.

18. The SP will not be nice for long periods of time.

19. The SP will vanish after a certain period of time.

20. The SP's IP will almost always lead to Philadelphia.

21. The SP will think of himself as a fun person and will offer people to share his activities.

22. The SP will most likely have the book M61MG.

23. The SP will certainly think this is the best book ever written.

24. The SP will remind everyone that Fischer was nuts.

Actually, sometimes Trice's SPs have doubt about Trice; one called Trice "fat" (a representation of Trice's insecurity about his weight) and another (a fake lawyer) said Trice was not a pleasant person. But they don't think about anything except Ed Trice and his endeavors.

Trice even once had one of his SPs, John Cartaphilus, die in a car accident. This sock's life and death is detailed here:

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<Ed Trice: <PinnedPiece> for all of your alleged detective work, let me offer you some advice. There is this thing called Google.com .... [etc.]
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...Which can trace the footsteps of a fake account. I have two questions for you:

1. Can you tell me the significance of each of the following?

Note: They are a very important part of your recent past.

Version A: "Ke min banda Ke ya dôna-m'band molané m'bame yén ayabam"

Version B: "Ke ya dôna-m'band molané ke min m'bame banda yén ayabam"

2. On this website and elsewhere, posters who have a common interest ALWAYS get together to compare notes, verify facts, and so on. Witness the conversations between <hackmate> and <Joshka> on the Fischer page, for example. Can you tell me why <hackmate>, who used every one of your arguments to counter claims that M61MG was a hoax, who echoed your claims that Labate was posting as <Travis Bickle> (no one else anywhere clamimed that--it was ridiculous) and who gloated over "misfortunes" of <Edward labate> just like you do (no one else thought he was having misfortunes), and even used identical threats that you use against posters if they imply <you> were the sole engineer of the book's publication--why did <hackmate> never appear here to discuss the M61MG with <you>?

Note: You had so much in common with each other!

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I have the answers to the above questions. Let's see how close you can get to the truth.

Jul-30-09
Ed Trice: <PinnedPiece> I deleted your post because I had no idea what you were talking about, and there were so many comma-conjoined clauses, it was impossible to discover what you were asking me. But if your question was why do I think a particular person on here hasn't corresponded with me using this forum, then I'd say beause we had been emailing each other so often it was largely redundant and unnecessary to make the posts public.

Joshka emails me regularly as well, and he uses the chessgames forum/messaging system must less frequently to communicate with me.

A strange question. I know you and your conspiracy theorists have another answer.

So maybe you wouldn't mind answering a question of mine.

Why are you defending Rob Mitchell so much? Unlike the fake Ed Labate ramblings, I actually have a document that Rob Mitchell sent ... ........
<[Usual "smear Mitchel" links follow...I do believe <ET> thinks I am <RM>. I think he falls asleep with his mind active on two fronts: A) "which of my selves needs to chime in where", and B) "what are all the personality/issue cross links that indicate sock puppets of various kibitzers out there?" He is really consumed by this.]>

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N.B.: Its very very very odd that <hackmate> would NOT cite <Ed Trice> as his source of information when he was repeatedly questioned...instead he tried to respons <always> as the prime authority on the topic. I think any <real human> whether from Burkina Faso or not, and whether a Flight Attendant or not, would eventually want to bring his supporting authority into the discussion. <That Never Happened.>

BTW, Q.1 above Answer: the Gurma quote was <ET>s way of establishing native lingua for <hackmate>. The phrase came from a The Bahá'ís of Escondido tract on world peace written for the Fulani tribes of West Africa. It has disappeared, but the remnant of a link exists here:

[taken from Google cache to highlight the original order of the phrase...the scrambled version from <hackmate> now makes no sense]

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...

* Declare victory. Trice likes to declare victory; what he likes to do during a debate is delete any posts where someone disagrees with him or exposes his lies. He then comes up with some really flimsy or downright made-up (such as his "a reporter needs to verify information using three sources" BS; another form of this is to use a sockpuppet to support him then declare "Look at how many other people support me") reason he's right. Once he does this, he declares victory; however it's only a victory in Trice's mind. Anyone besides Trice reading the thread and the arguments on both sides can clearly see Trice is full of BS.

Trice only does this "declare victory" on a forum he controls, so he can censor any real evidence showing that he is full of BS. He did this back on the Gothic Chess forum when someone showed that his Gothic Chess tournaments were nothing more than a figment of his imagination (after declaring "victory", he deleted the entire thread a couple of days later, because he realized none of his arguments held any water).

When Trice declares "victory", what's he really saying is "I hate having all of this evidence against me made public, so I'll try and censor the evidence and pretend I'm winning when I know I'm really losing"

Trice: <PinnedPiece> sorry, had to delete your post latent with unsupported conjecture.

Trice: P.S. The next time you fail to follow simple instructions, or answer a very simple question that I ask you, then you will be on my ignore list.

* Declare victory. Trice likes to declare victory; what he likes to do during a debate is delete any posts where someone disagrees with him or exposes his lies. He then comes up with some really flimsy or downright made-up (such as his "a reporter needs to verify information using three sources" BS; another form of this is to use a sockpuppet to support him then declare "Look at how many other people support me") reason he's right. Once he does this, he declares victory; however it's only a victory in Trice's mind. >

This sounds pretty sick...can you back this up with real evidence?

Oh, actually, I have some. AND...

You may want to add another bulletted common action to your "Behold Trice" list, which is obvious at the end of this rather lengthy series of rather tedious exhanges, wherein Trice got himself into a game he could not win:

Witnessed by many, I presume.

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Jun-28-09
Ed Trice: So <PinnedPiece> is none other than Rafal Furdzik, imagine my surprise.

http://www.gothicchess.com/BigCheck...

The winner of the $5000 Online Gothic Chess tournament from 1999.

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Jun-28-09
<Ed Trice: Rafal Furdzik>

So what's the deal?

What's going down here? Is this the beginning of an annoyance campaign? Or is this bobbing for apples. I had nothing against you, until you got evasive and nasty.

You bringing up all your old ghosts, marks and victims now, hoping that with one of them, I'll say something like "No! How did you .... Oh God!"

I suggest you spend a quiet evening reviewing the kibitz record. Put on some calming music, no death metal on the entertainment center allowed, and no heavy drinking.

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Jun-28-09
PinnedPiece: Ed, if I wanted to come out swinging I could have claimed to be this guy, then claim the check was forged, or bounced, or that I wasn't receiving it, or all manner of counter lies. Or if I thought you had a sense of humor about you, I could play this many humorous ways.

It appears that you are in desperate need of rehabilitating your past, somehow. Why else link to something OTHER PEOPLE have questioned?

Why not redeem your past with the truth, instead of these charades? What you are doing, is proving, to one person at a time, that what ten other, no eleven, no now twelve, or 15, or 25 other people have claimed about you.

I put this here so you can delete it. But the post above this is going to live on, here or elsewhere with footnotes as to its history if necessary, so your best interest is to leave it here, as is.

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Jun-28-09
Ed Trice: PinnedPiece, do you deny that you are Rafal Furdzik?

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Jun-28-09
PinnedPiece: <Ed Trice: PinnedPiece, do you deny that you are Rafal Furdzik?> Ed, does Furdzik actually exist, and did he actually win a chess tournament of some type?

If I was Rafal Furdzik, and I had participated in a team game here on CG.com, would you exect me to have a reputation as an average player, a pretty good player, or as an excellent thinker, one whose suggestions ought to be either followed or painstakingly disproved?

Which of those opinions held by my teammates do you think would be true?

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Jun-28-09
Ed Trice: <PinnedPiece> As you have often quoted, that is a "non-denial denial." I must warn you, I have been accumulating documentation, and I will embarass you the same way I embarassed Rob Mitchell.

Answer the question.

Are you Rafal Furdzik?

The acceptable responses are "yes" or "no".

I know the answer.

Here's your last chance.

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Jun-28-09
PinnedPiece: <Ed Trice: <PinnedPiece> As you have often quoted, that is a "non-denial denial." I must warn you, I have been accumulating documentation, and I will embarass you the same way I embarassed Rob Mitchell. >

Sorry, you haven't done your homework. If I *claimed* to be a contest-winning chess player of any type (gothic chess????) my teammates would never respect me again. Do your damn homework.

I deny being this person, who's next?

(I am fully aware that all of this is being done for some audience you envision, but the end result of this track is that you will destroy your credibility, in front of the other IMs and GMs on this site, for good and ever.)

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Jun-28-09
Ed Trice: So <PinnedPiece> you are saying there was never any link anywhere on this site acknowledging you as the author to an article written on GrandmasterCorner.com? Would that be correct?

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Jun-28-09
Ed Trice: I will even make it more specific for you.

Was this link ever accredited to PinnedPiece anywhere on this site?

http://www.grandmastercorner.com/GC...

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Jun-28-09
PinnedPiece: <ED> On the <JFQ> Page Description, she has a link to an article that I pointed out to her. It is the link to this article, and you can find her link as #9 under "Articles About B. Fischer" http://www.grandmastercorner.com/GC...

I have posted links to hundreds of articles. Are you going to go through each of the authors and accuse me of being that person? This could get real tedious, don't you think? I am not ever going to say, No that's not me, THIS is ME! so give it up. When you prove worthy of the trust of having my true identity, you shall get it.

From me.

There isn't any other way to get it.

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. Jun-29-09
Ed Trice: You still did not say you are NOT Rafal Furdzik.

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Jun-29-09
PinnedPiece: The person who typed this is not Rafal Furdzik. The person who owns and kibitzes under the account name "PinnedPiece" on Chessgames.com is not Rafal Furdzik. I know what my crime--pinning YOU down---is, what's his crime? It doesn't even matter, Ed and I don't know why I think I have to correct this huge blunder you have made. On the <JFQ> page she has credited about 150 people with providing her various links. Is it your contention that each of those persons wrote the article or created the movie that they sent her the link for? You cannot be that rock dumb, so whats the real game you are playing here?

No don't even bother to answer.

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Jul-01-09
Ed Trice: How's it feel to have to defend yourself against something that isn't true?

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<Ed Trice: How's it feel to have to defend yourself against something that isn't true?>

<hackmate aka Trice> tried the very same motif when he accused <drKodos> of being Rob Mitchell, but when it became apparent to him that he was wrong, he wrote:

I, and a few other Wikipedia editors, have ways of keeping an eye on that kind of thing. If some new Wikipedia editor (Can you say "Ed Trice Sock Puppet"?) out of the blue decides to restore the Ed Trice Wikipedia article, for example, multiple Wikipedia editors will very quickly be aware of it and we will undo the change and quickly move to block the new editor should they try multiple times to restore the Ed Trice article.

It's called editing against consensus; multiple Wikipedia editors agreed Ed Trice doesn't deserve a Wiki article. Should Trice try to restore his article, all he will accomplish is having even more editors decide he doesn't deserve a Wiki article and being blocked from editing the Wikipedia again.

But, yes, you don't get sock puppets there the way you do in other areas of the Wiki.

I would suggest putting the following Wikipedia articles on your watchlist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:E...

It's best if you use an anonymous entity, because Trice uses intimidation and harassment against anyone who he sees as realizing what a BS artist he is.

Since Ed Trice is falsely claiming that old Philadelphia Inquirer article is iron-clad proof he has $15,000,000 (Trice trope: Claiming flimsy evidence is absolute proof), here is a link to the article in question:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080129...

And the relevant part where it talks about Ed Trice and the imaginary $15,000,000:

<In November 2006, a Radnor entrepreneur, Ed Trice, met Fischer in Iceland while trying to set up a $15 million match between Fischer and the Russian to whom he forfeited his crown in 1975, Anatoly Karpov.

The game would not have been classic chess, but a Trice-patented variation called Gothic Chess, which uses two extra hybrid pieces on a board two squares wider.

Karpov had signed a contract to play, but Fischer was tough to deal with, ducking meetings and escalating demands for upfront money, Trice said.

Finally, Trice got to talk with Fischer in the corner of a restaurant in Reykjavik - for about five minutes.

The former champ had on "a leatherish cap" and a denim shirt. His beard was trimmed and his fingernails were long.

"When he spoke, he was matter-of-fact, direct. He seemed sharp. His responses were very quick," Trice said.

But he also seemed bored, as if doing Trice a favor by meeting.

"He didn't want to be there," Trice said. "We had done something to press his button, and it wasn't going to happen."

Susan Polgar, a four-time women's world champion and Texas Tech University's chess coach, confirmed that she had been asked, if needed, to fill in for Fischer in the match.

"Both Karpov and I signed the contract, and Bobby was seriously contemplating. The money was there," she said.

She and Fischer were friends, and she knew he had spurned multimillion-dollar deals before. "Money was not the most important thing in his life," Polgar said. "He had his own ideas and principles. He had numerous offers."

A few months ago, through a mutual friend, Fischer sent his fond regards. "I'm glad that was his last message to me and about me," she said. "I think he was basically the king of chess, and the chess world lost one of the biggest heroes of all time.">

Hardly iron-clad proof; all it says is that Trice and Susan (conned by Trice) said the money was there.