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Dec-20-11
 | | WannaBe: <Jim Bartle> & <playground player> What was that bad blood about? Mets wasn't around for that long... So it's not like Juan vs. Johnny. Care to teach this young pup what was that brawl all about? |
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| Dec-20-11 | | Shams: Apropos of the below conversation, I've decided the French/Fort Knox Variation is the "Prevent Defense" of chess. Good to see it get beaten over the top every once in a while: Parma vs G Forintos, 1977 |
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| Dec-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: WannaBe: No idea about that fight. The Mets had only been in existence for a month or two. |
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| Dec-21-11 | | playground player: <WannaBe> As I recall it, that brawl started when Willie Mays slid into second base and Mets shortstop Elio Chacon started beating on him. Chacon's English was non-existent, and few sportswriters in 1962 understood any Spanish, so I never knew why Elio attacked Willie. But Willie rose up and body-slammed Elio. Meanwhile Orlanda Cepeda, who was at bat during these events, strolled out to the mound to confront Roger Craig. A couple of Craig's pitches had come a little too close for Orlando's liking. It ought to be borne in mind that Craig was a long-time Dodger (Brooklyn and LA) and had a history with the Giants. As Cepeda approached, Roger shed his glove and prepared to box. He did a few Marquis of Queensbury moves while Orlando's fist dropped practically to the ground and then came up real, real fast. He knocked Roger off his feet. At that point the benches emptied. What I remember about that was Willie McCovey charging out to join the brawl, having just returned from a spell on the disabled list--and Manager Alvin Dark, fearful of seeing the Giants' season go up in smoke, actually tackled McCovey and held on, keeping him out of the fight. I think the battle had its origin in bad blood between Cepeda and Craig, a hard slide by Willie Mays, and the Mets' frustration simply boiling over. It ain't much fun to travel all over the country while losing almost every game. |
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Dec-21-11
 | | WannaBe: I see, I see, says the blind man. =) |
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| Dec-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: Odd that Mays' slide was just getting back to second on a pickoff throw, not on a steal attempt or breaking up a double play. How hard could it have been? Was Chacón the shortstop who yelled "Yo la tengo" on pop flies, giving the name to a pop band? |
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| Dec-21-11 | | Deus Ex Alekhina: Has anyone seen the tape of Don Mattingly as Mother Ginger in the Nutcracker ballet? Strange. BTW <Bartle>, now we know why it is called "Candlestick" Park. (You need to bring one with you) |
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| Dec-21-11 | | King Death: Big changes ahead in Wrigley Land?
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/cubs... <“The Cubs have never had the guts to completely blow up their roster and build it the right way. They have to have a plan for sustained success instead of always trying to patchwork a roster for a surprising season. They should have done that when Andy MacPhail took over but for whatever reason they couldn’t or wouldn’t. By the time Jim Hendry became the GM they had some young starting pitching and a mandate from management in 2006-09 to try to buy their way to a championship. It never worked out so the rebuild is the right way to go."> |
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| Dec-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: Cubs need more guys with that ole team spirit like Carlos Zambrano. |
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| Dec-21-11 | | Jim Bartle: Purported true story of "Yo la tengo." It was Richie Ashburn: One constant source of Keystone Cop mishaps was the lack of communication between Ashburn, playing center, and the Mets shortstop, a Venezuelan named Elio Chacon. Chacon didn’t speak English, so when Richie would yell “I got it! I got it!†Chacon would keep chasing after the ball and the two would inevitably collide, allowing the ball to fall harmlessly to earth. Finally, the team’s right fielder Joe Christopher, who was bilingual, suggested that instead of yelling, “I got it!â€, Richie should yell “Yo La Tengo!†to ward off the shortstop. Ashburn and the young shortstop agreed on it, and sure enough a few games later, a pop fly went into left center, between Ashburn and Chacon. “Yo La Tengo! Yo La Tengo!†shouted Whitey. Chacon stopped in his tracks. Whitey reached his glove up to make the catch…and got plowed over by Mets left fielder Frank Thomas, who didn’t speak Spanish. Whitey and Frank fell to the ground, and the ball landed between them. As they got up to collect themselves, Howard turned to Ashburn and said, “What the heck is a yellow tango?†http://phillysportshistory.com/2011... |
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Dec-21-11
 | | WannaBe: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah... blah blah blah...
On to more serious bidness, people. Hof ballots, here is espn.com Jim Caple's view... http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7... Me, moi, the humbled wabbit, still think the whole '81 and '88 Dodgers should be in. Yes, even the concession stand-hot-dog-giver should be in. Heck, even the parkin' lot policemen should be in!! |
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Dec-21-11
 | | WannaBe: Okay, if you scroll down, about 3/4 way, of the link I posted previously, for '13 class, I'd vote for the 2 Atl. pitchers, F. Thomas and C. Biggio are borderline (my opinion, and only mine.) Okay, I'll give J. Kent some love and vote for him in '16... He did play the Dodgers after all. But did not win a Championship for them. Breakin' your hand/arm washing your truck?! C'mon dude... I hate to vote to Atl. players, they are probably 3rd behind NYY/SFG players. But, you have to admire G.M. and T.G. Cy Young winners and only 1 World Series Championship. I'll give them gentlemen sympathy votes. How can a franchise make the post-season that many times, with that rotation/line-up and win only 1?! (By beating the Indians!? Indians?!) |
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Dec-21-11
 | | WannaBe: Holy Batman, I'd never, never, never, never figure out that CSI Box score... Much tougher than the Holiday Hunt. |
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Dec-22-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Not that hard at all. http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/... The big clue was having Williams and Gehrig in the same game. 1939 was Williams' first year and Gehrig's last, and this turns out to be the only game in which they appeared together. |
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| Dec-22-11 | | Shams: The ten best table tennis shots of 2011:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei4x...Do they drug test in table tennis? These lads are, uh, hyperkinetic. |
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| Dec-22-11 | | King Death: There were some star crossed players in that box score. Jim Tabor and Jake Powell died young too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Ta...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_P... |
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| Dec-22-11 | | Jim Bartle: I thought maybe the CSI was which non-Hall of Famer batted after two two HOFers and before two others? |
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Dec-22-11
 | | WannaBe: Here is a good one from http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7... <• As loyal reader Joel Luckhaupt reports, in a May 16 game against the Reds, the ever-resourceful Miguel Cairo saw 12 pitches in the sixth inning -- and didn't swing at any of them. This was season No. 25 in the fabulous pitch-count era, and nobody has ever gone swing-free in an inning for that many pitches except Cairo, a guy who (in an extremely unrelated development) hasn't walked 20 times in a season in over a decade.> They must have batted around that inning. |
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Dec-22-11
 | | Phony Benoni: <WannaBe> Very enjoyable article! Baseball can get overstatted, but being able to track such gems is the compensating flip side. |
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| Dec-24-11 | | Travis Bickle: Hey Phony, Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah! ; P
http://youtu.be/bzN_WOKC8rk |
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| Dec-24-11 | | playground player: <Esteemed Colleagues> Merry Christmas, everybody! Some of you have received presents on my forum. |
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Dec-24-11
 | | Penguincw: Merry Christmas <Phony Benoni >. |
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| Dec-24-11 | | hangingenprise: since sunday is a great day for football, and since <travis> took <wannabe> link top best buy t.v.s, and since travis now has a big screen, hd, surround sound, realistic football, football at travis place!!
bring a food dish, some cheese...hmm
better skip the cheese, and cheer on your team. <phony> lions, da bears, raiderzs, even the sunday night and monday games have something to play for!
happy holidays |
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Dec-24-11
 | | WannaBe: I told you that Detroit would make it, and 'possibly' face the 4th and Niners in the WC round. (Ah, tol' chu!! =) See how N.O. can play MNF and next week. Maybe Detroit have a date in S.F., or N.O.! Merry Christmas, good will towards (wo)men, and give me more carrots! |
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Dec-26-11
 | | WannaBe: 'Xpecting high scoring game tonight? Have <Travis Bickle> bought a new TV set to watch the play-offs yet? =)) |
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