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Sep-12-06
 | | Phony Benoni: "Pawns are the soul of chess."--Fillador. |
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Sep-12-06 | | brankat: <IPs> How time flies :-) |
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Sep-12-06 | | square dance: i vote for 7.Nf3 and i guess thats what we'll play. its a good move that leaves us with a lot of good options, one of them being Qe2 in the near future. |
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Sep-12-06 | | square dance: filler |
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Sep-12-06
 | | Phony Benoni: <squaredane> You mean N1f3, don't you? |
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Sep-12-06
 | | Phony Benoni: I'll bet my money on the bobtail nag, somebody bet on the filly. |
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Sep-12-06 | | square dance: of course and i typed in the move as such on <brankat>'s forum. |
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Sep-12-06
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> Grrrrrrrrrr....... |
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Sep-13-06 | | aw1988: I didn't know <square dance> was Danish. |
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Sep-13-06 | | positionalgenius: <square dance><wannabe>You guys keep saying "filler".Fill me in on what that is all about please... |
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Sep-13-06
 | | Phony Benoni: <positionalgenius> We are conducting team analysis of a consultation game in this forum. The two teams are not supposed to look at each other's analysis forum for the duration. <Square dance> realized that the most recent message would show up in the chessforums link, and might be accidentally seen by members of the other team. Therefore, he suggested that we follow each analysis message with a "filler" message. <wannabe> is not on our team. He's just joining in on the fun. |
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Sep-13-06
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> My comment was more on the Corrsp. Game Tournament, (our game, specifically...) Interesting end-game. I'm racking my brains out. |
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Sep-13-06 | | positionalgenius: <phony benoni>Thanks |
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Sep-13-06
 | | Phony Benoni: <square dance> <sueteus po 147> Against 7...Bd6, the usual line seems to be 8.Qe2. I was taking a glance at 8.0-0, and there is some interesting stuff there. After all, how bad can a move be if Kasparov is willing to play it against Karpov? Kasparov vs Karpov, 1988
However, few seem to have followed his lead, which is significant. And 8.0-0 takes away the usual option to castle queenside, unless we want to blow a few tempi and do it by hand. Anyone have an alternative to 8.Qe2? |
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Sep-13-06
 | | Phony Benoni: When you have troubles, ask Dr. Fill. |
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Sep-13-06
 | | WannaBe: <Phony Benoni> gg. I didn't have a chance. =( |
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Sep-13-06 | | square dance: <pb> & <sp147> yes, 8.Qe2 seems to be the leading option at the moment with 8.0-0 as probably the next best option. there is some analysis on these moves in the stuff i already posted. i'll see if i can dip up anything else tonight. look for it in the morning. |
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Sep-13-06 | | square dance: the filla in manilla. |
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Sep-13-06 | | suenteus po 147: I'm still waiting to see if they will in fact play 7...Bd6 since there are other viable options that they might consider due to previous move choices. Depending on their move, I have some games lined up for us to look at and consider. |
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Sep-13-06 | | suenteus po 147: I can't top <square dance>'s "filla in manilla." |
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Sep-14-06 | | square dance: kamsky-karpov, dortmund 1993. <1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. Ng5 Ngf6 6. Bd3 e6 7. N1f3 Bd6 8. Qe2> (8. O-O h6 9. Ne4 Nxe4 10. Bxe4 O-O (10... Nf6!? <karpov says this is equal.>) 11. c3 e5 (11... Qc7 12. Bc2 Re8 13.Qd3 Nf8 14. Re1 b6 15. Ne5 Bb7 16. Qh3 <better for white, according to karpov. bellin-thipsay, england 1987.>) 12. Bc2 Re8 13. Re1 exd4 14. Rxe8+ Qxe8 15. Qxd4 Qe7 16. Bf4 Bxf4 17. Qxf4 <with a clear positional advantage for white.-karpov>) (8. c3 h6 9. Ne4 Nxe4 10.Bxe4 O-O 11. O-O c5 12. Bc2 (12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Bc2 Qc7 14.Qe2 Nf6 15. Ne5 Bd616. Bf4 b6 17. Rad1 Ba6 with equality.-karpov) 12... Qc7 13. Re1 Rd8 14. h3 Nf6 15. Qe2 cxd4 16. Nxd4 Bh2+ 17. Kh1 Bf4 18. Nb5 Qb8 19. a4 Bd7 20. Bxf4 Qxf4 21. Nd4 Bc6! <and black solved the opening problems and the game was soon drawn.-karpov>) <8...h6 9. Ne4>
(9. Nh3 g5!? 10. Nd2?! (10. Nhg1! Qc7 11. Bd2 b6 <is intereseting, with complex play.>) 10... Nb6 11. Nb3 Qc7 12. Ng1 Nbd5 <lead to equality in borkowski-sapis, hradec kralove 1987/8.>) <9... Nxe4 10.Qxe4> (10. Bxe4 O-O <and black pushes through with c6-5 or e6-5 with good play.>) <10... Nf6>
(10...Qc7 11. Qg4 Kf8 12. O-O <and black experienced some difficulties in gelfand-speelman, munich 1992.>) 10... Qc7 11. Bd2 b6 12. Qg4 Kf8 13. O-O-O Bb7 14.Rhe1 Rd8 15. Kb1 (15. Rxe6 fxe6 16. Nh4 Nf6 17. Qxe6 Qf7!) (15. c4 c5 16. Bc3?! Nf6 17. Qh4 Bxf3 18. gxf3 Bf4+ <also gives white nothing.>) 15... Nf6 16.Qh4 Ke7 17. Ne5 c5 18. f4 <no better is Ng4 or Bc3.> cxd4 19. g4 (19. Re2 <with the initiative is correct.>) 19... g5 20. Qf2 (20. fxg5 hxg5 21. Qg3 Rhg8 <favors black.>) 20... Rhe8 21. h3 a5?! (21... Nd5!? <gives black a noticeable advantage.>) 22. Re2 Nd5 23. Rde1 Ne3 24. Bxe3 dxe3 25. Qxe3 Qc5 <khalifman-epishin, dos hermanas 1993. the players agreed to a draw in an unclear position.>) (10... Qc7 11. Bd2 b6 12. Qg4 g5! <an important improvement.> 13. Qh3 Rg8! 14. g4 (14. Qxh6 Bf8 15. Qh7 Nf6! 16. Qh3 g4 17. Qh4 gxf3 18. Qxf6 fxg2 19. Rg1 Qxh2 20. O-O-O <maintaining equality.>) (14. Bh7 Rh8 15. Bd3=) 14... Bb7 15. O-O-O O-O-O 16.Rhe1 Bf4 17. Kb1 Rh8 18. Bc3 (18. Bxf4 Qxf4 19. Qg3 Qxg3 20. hxg3 c5=) 18...Kb8 19. d5 cxd5 20. Bxh8 Rxh8 21. Nd4 a6 22. Nxe6 (22. Qf1 Nc5 <is strong for black.>) 22... fxe6 23. Rxe6 Ne5! 24. Bf5 Nc4 25. Rxh6 Rxh6 26.Qxh6 Qe5 27. Qf8+ Ka7 28. Qb4 Nd2+ <and black won quickly in sion castro-karpov, leon 1993.>) <11.Qh4>
(11.Qe2 b6 <Qc7 and Qb6 have been tried, but usually turn out in white's favor.> (11... c5 12. dxc5 Bxc5 13. Bd2 O-O 14. O-O-O <white prepares an attack against the weakened h6-pawn.> Qc7 (14... b5 15. g4 Nd5 16. Rhg1) 15. g4)) <11... Ke7!?>
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Sep-14-06 | | square dance: ok guys, lots of analysis. i posted that stuff so you both could go through it to see some typical ideas in these CK lines. this stuff is from 1994 though, so there could be some improvements in there. if you find anything new then let me know. thanks. btw, my vote is for 8.Qe2. |
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Sep-14-06 | | square dance: filler |
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Sep-14-06 | | square dance: <isolated pawns> i may not be around to post our move by 3:00 est today. some stuff has come up that will possibly keep me busy throughout the day. we can handle this two ways: one of you can post the move probably not later than 2:00 est, or we can ask for a timeout if we cant come to some agreement; that is, if we all favor a different move. of course having one of you guys post the next move would mean that you either agree with my vote of 8.Qe2, which would make a majority, or you two have both agreed on some other move which would also make a majority. as i said in the beginning, analysis should have the biggest impact on our votes. although ive posted lots of analysis, mostly for 8.Qe2, if either one of you has something convincing and somewhat thorough then im fine with that. 0-0 and c3 also seem like reasonable moves, for example. Qe2 keeps an eye on the important e5-square and allows for the possibility of 0-0-0, which is a brief summation of all the analysis ive posted. ;-) |
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Sep-14-06 | | square dance: filler |
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