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| May-29-09 | | mcguigan97: <Tabanus: What happens if 21...Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7 23.Bg5 <Bb6> ?> Rbyka 3 shows a perp, at least at d=21
[0.00] 24. Nc3 Qd6 25. Bf4 Qe7 26. Bg5 Qd6 27. Bf4 Qe7 28. Bg5 Qd6 29. Bf4 Qe7. I'll take a look at alternatives... |
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| May-29-09 | | mcguigan97: <Tabanus: What happens if 21...Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7 23.Bg5 <Bb6> ?>
<Rbyka 3 shows a perp, at least at d=21> Here's an alternative, now preferred
Rybka 3 d=22
[-0.10] 24. Nc3 Be6 25. Qf4 Nbd5 26. Nxd5 Bxd5 27. Bxf6 Qxf6 28. Qxf6 gxf6 29. Rd1 Rd8 30. Rd3 Be6 31. Rxd8+ Bxd8 32. Nd4 Kg7 33. Nxe6+ fxe6 34. e3 |
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May-29-09
 | | Tabanus: <mcguigan97> I'm home from work, and Rybka 2.3.2a 23-ply 1. = (-0.01): 24.Nc3 Be6 25.Qf4 Nbd5 26.Nxd5 Bxd5 27.Nd4 Bxg2 28.Kxg2 Rd8 29.e3 Bxd4 30.exd4 Rd5 2. = (-0.12): 24.Be3 Bd8 25.Nc3 Bf5 26.Bg5 Bc7 27.Qf1 Rd8 28.e4 Bh7 29.Re1 Qf8 30.Qe2 Bb6 |
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| May-29-09 | | chessjones11: kb2ct:
To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a chess book on grandmaster draws.There has been one that I know of. In 1968 Wolfgang Heidenfeld published a German version of the book, "Grosse Remispartien". In 1982 the English version "Draws" was published edited by John Nunn. All of the games without notes can be found at www.queensac.com/chessblog/bookgames/heidenfeld/-
draw.htm. Attribution to "CHESS" Volume 70 NO.11 February 2006. |
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| May-29-09 | | chessjones11: For anyone interested in seeing the games above you have to type in the URL and omit the - before draw. |
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| May-29-09 | | kb2ct: <chessjones11>
Doesn't work for me
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| May-29-09 | | RandomVisitor: <Section B - 21...Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7> [-0.16] d=31 22...Bc7 23.Bd4 Nfd5 24.Ra3 Be6 25.Ng5 Rd8 26.Bc5 Qd7 27.Ne3 b6 28.Nxd5 Nxd5 29.Nxe6 Qxe6 30.Be3 Nb4 31.h4 c5 32.Kh2 Be5 33.Bg5 f6 34.Be3 (126:01.47) 119645504kN |
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| May-29-09 | | zanshin: <chessjones11: For anyone interested in seeing the games above you have to type in the URL and omit the - before draw.> Why not just give the full link:
http://www.queensac.com/chessblog/b... |
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| May-29-09 | | chessjones11: Thanks Zanshin. For some reason I couldn't get it to work. Everytime I typed in the URL that darn - would come up. Oh well! |
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| May-29-09 | | kb2ct: <zanshin:>
Thanks. I remember looking at Rossetto-Stahlberg for weeks. I bought the book used, but the link is wonderful.
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| May-29-09 | | DPLeo:
<RandomVisitor: <Section B - 21...Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7>[-0.16] d=31 22...Bc7 23.Bd4 Nfd5 ...>
If you slide forward to 23.Bd4 does Rybka consider Ne4 or does she stick with Nfd5? |
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| May-29-09 | | WinKing: <kb2ct> have you seen <RV>'s posting on 21...Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7 <23.Bg5> Qxe2 line. 25...Qc2! looks like the answer. Should make 22...Bc7 a totally safe move to play I would think. RV's Rybka Line - [-0.16] d=23 21.Nf3 Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7 <23.Bg5> 23...Qxe2 24.Bxf6 gxf6 25.Qh6 <Qc2!> 26.Qxf6 Qg6 27.Qe7 Nd5 28.Qe8 Kg7 29.Nc3 Nxc3 30.bxc3 Qe6 31.Qxe6 Bxe6 32.Nd4 Bd7 33.Rb1 Rb8 34.h4 Be5 35.Rd1 Re8 36.Bf3 c5 37.Nb5 Bxb5 38.axb5 Re7 kb2ct's Line - 21. Nf3 Rxd1+ 22. Nxd1 Bc7 <23. Bg5> Qxe2 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Qh6 <Nd5?!> 26. Nc3 Qxb2 27. Re1 Be6 28. Rxe6 Nxc3 29. Re1 Rd8 30. Qxh5 Bb6 31. Kh2 Qxf2 32. Ng5 |
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| May-29-09 | | zanshin: <kb2ct> <chessjones11> You're welcome. It's easiest to reproduce hyperlinks by first navigating to the page, then copying the link directly off the address bar of your browser. Typing links in manually can cause problems because CG software sometimes does weird and wonderful things to them ;-) |
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| May-29-09 | | ajile: If UMAN didn't give up the c pawn in the opening he isn't giving up the e pawn in the middlegame. My 2 cents. I don't think he will play the 21. Nf3 Rxd1+ 22. Nxd1 Bc7 <23. Bg5> Qxe2 variation. |
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| May-29-09 | | WinKing: <ajile:I don't think he will play the 21. Nf3 Rxd1+ 22. Nxd1 Bc7 <23. Bg5> Qxe2 variation.> Now he won't, assuming he knows black's queen get's back in time to defend the fort. Your right though <ajile> because we do end up with the two bishops in that line also. He will not let us get away so easily with that kind of an advantage. |
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| May-29-09 | | capafan: <ajile>I concur with <ajile>. <RV>'s latest line is a killer for 23.Bg5. I plugged the variation with 25...Qc2 into shredder, crawled forward and am getting very good evals for black. Actually DPLeo had this line at 28-ply with shredder also. GMMU will play 23.Bd4. |
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May-29-09
| | Tabanus: <<RV>'s latest line is a killer for 23.Bg5> ?? We have looked at 25...Qc2 already coz it's the same as 25...Qd3 26.Qxf6 Qg6 27.Qh4 |
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| May-29-09 | | capafan: <Tabanus><<<RV>'s latest line is a killer for 23.Bg5> ?? We have looked at 25...Qc2 already coz it's the same as 25...Qd3 26.Qxf6 Qg6 27.Qh4>
I am getting 27.Qe7 as more favorable for white and scores -.2 and higher. We have rejected lines as being dead for white with much lower evals. |
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May-29-09
| | Tabanus: <capafan> Probably it's the best we have. Try 27.Qe7 Nd5 28.Qh4 Be6 29.Nc3 Bd8 30.Qd4 Bf6 31.Nxd5 Bxd5 32.Qd2 h4 33.g4 Rd8 34.Qxa5 Qd3 35.Nh2 |
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May-29-09
| | Tabanus: In case of 27.Qe7 Nd5 28.Qh4 Be6 29.Nc3 Bd8 30.Qd4 Bf6 31.Nxd5 Bxd5 32.Qf4 there is the nasty 32...Bxb2 33.Re1 Qf6 34.Qg5+ Qxg5 35.Nxg5 Bxg2 36.Kxg2 b5! |
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| May-29-09 | | WinKing: <Tabanus: <<RV>'s latest line is a killer for 23.Bg5> ?? We have looked at 25...Qc2 already coz it's the same as 25...Qd3> Where was this looked at before? |
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May-29-09
 | | chrisowen: Is 22.Bd6 any good? The danger of it is that he holds e2 and we dont have a material advantage forcing him between a perpetual or us gaining the upper hand. Can he palm us off? 21..Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bd6 23.Nc3 Bf5 24.Bg5 Rd8 25.Qf1 Bc2 26.Rc1 Be5 27.Nxe5 Qxe5 28.Bf4 Qf5 29.Bc7 Re8 30.e3 h4 31.g4 Qc5 32.Bf4 Nfd5
33.Nxd5 cxd5 34.Qxb5 35.axb5 Rc8 36.Bf1 f6 37.b6 Kf7 38.Bc7 Ke7 39.Bg2 Ke6 40.f3 a4 41.Bf1 Ra8 42.e4 d4 43.Kf2 g5 44.Bc4+ Kd7 45.e5 d3 46.Bb5+ Nc6 47.Ke3 fxe5 48.Bxd3 Bxd3 49.Kxd3 Ra5 50.Kc4 a3 51.Rd1+ Kc8 52.bxa3 Rxa3 53.Kd5  
click for larger viewIf 27.Kh2 we look to tuck in the bishop 27..Bd6 28.e4 Bxe4 29.Re1 Bd3 30.Rxe7 Bxf1 31.Rxb7 Ba6 32.Ra7 Bc5 33.Rc7 Bb6 34.Re7  
click for larger viewLets make sure we keep Uman zipped up and dont allow any chances for him 21..Rxd1+ 22.Nxd1 Bc7 23.Nc3 Qxe2 24.Qg5 Bd8 25.Nc3 Qe7 26.Re1 Be6 27.Ne4 Nbd5 28.Nc5 Bb6 29.Nxe6 fxe6 30.Qxe5 Bxd4 31.Nxd4 Qf7 32.Qd6 Nc7 33.Nb3 Nfd5 34.Nc5  
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May-29-09
| | Tabanus: <WinKing> The post by <govert>: <C) 23... Qxe2 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Qh6 <Qc2>: d=23 [-0,08]25. ... Qc2 26.Qxf6 Qg6 27.Qh4 Be6 28.Ne3 Re8 29.Rd1 Nd5 30.Nc4 Bf5 31.Re1 Rxe1+ 32.Nxe1 Qe6 33.Nf3 Bg6 34.Qd4 Qe4 35.Qxe4 Bxe4 36.Nd4 Bd3 37.Bf1 Bxc4 38.Bxc4 Kg7 39.Bxd5 cxd5 40.Nb5 D) 23... Qxe2 24. Bxf6 gxf6 25. Qh6 <Qd3>: Should transpose to C) Did I miss anything?> |
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| May-29-09 | | govert: _and_ it's in the analysis tree... ;-) |
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| May-29-09 | | WinKing: <Tabanus><govert: _and_ it's in the analysis tree... ;-)> Sorry <govert>, I don't miss too many but I missed that one. :) Thanks <Tabanus> :) |
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