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| Feb-13-03 | | refutor: 3. ... Nfd7 isn't the best way to play the alekhine with 2.Nc3 and 3.e5 is it? what about 3. ...d4 instead? |
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| Feb-13-03 | | AgentRgent: Current theory is 3...Ne4 is best (New Ideas in the Alekhines Defense-Burgess), but Alekhine typically played Nfd7 responding to Nxd5 with Nxe5. 3...d4 leads to a sharp game (3...d4 4. exf6 dxc3 5. fxg7 (5. fxe7 Qxe7+) cxd2+ 6. Bxd2 (6. Qxd2 Qxd2+) Bxg7), that I've played numerous times, but I think Ne4 gives black a better game.. |
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| Feb-13-03 | | refutor: i'd think in your ...d4 line that white would be better to hang on to the queen...black's defensive task is much easier without the queen's on the board, in my opinion |
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| Feb-13-03 | | AgentRgent: I definately agree. White will want to keep the queens on, but I think Black is already equal and can go on the attack. |
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| Feb-13-03 | | ksadler: Exactly. the 3. .. d4 line may not be the best (probably because of its risk), but Black has great winning chances w/out teh queens in that line. I play that and 3. .. Ne4 with about the same success. I have always avoided 3. .. Nfd7 because I saw a Spielmann game that went 4. e6!! (Spielmann vs S Landau, 1933) |
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| Feb-13-03 | | drukenknight: I hate those white pawns on e6!
Have you seen Lasker's variation to Alek def? It starts out w/ the 2 e5 line: 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Nd5 3 c4 Nb6 4 c5 Nd5 5 Bc4... How do you guys response to: 1 e4 Nf6 2 e5 Ne4? |
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| Feb-19-03 | | ksadler: Sorry for the delay in responding...I only play Alekhine's as Black, but I think that the best way to respond to 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Ne4 is just continuing with strong development in the center with 3. d4 (as in several games, but not in this database) not worrying about the knight. Another line, played in 2002, was 3. Nc3 Nxc3 4. dxc3 etc, transposing into the 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. Nc3 Nxc3 etc. lines. Obviously, you'd want to refute the move I'd think. 3. d3 I wouldn't think would be good, as eventually you'll have to push d4 or f4 to protect the e5 pawn anyway. The reason that Ne4 is objectively worse is that it has less support than the Knight on d5, and it can be harried much more easily, but off the top of my head I can't find a direct refutation. |
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| Feb-19-03 | | AgentRgent: <Ksadler> I NEVER play 3...Nfd7 either, Completely because of 4. e6! <DK> RE: Lasker's line. I've seen it a few times. I follow with c6, then play b6, Ba6, and e6.. depending on how white plays of course. Re: 2...Ne4 I don't play the alekhines as white either (I NEVER play 1. e4) and I don't play this line as black, there is some infomation on it in Schiller's Unorthordox Chess Openings ("Utter Crap" as Adams called it. hehe). |
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| Feb-20-03 | | drunknight II: yeah on the 2....Ne4 line, I think Tartakover thought it was crap and recommended playing 3 c4 first to cut off the retreat of the N. but it turns out there is some crazy move in there, I forget what. Does he sack the N on f2? I forget. I should show you guys the crazy Alek defenses with ...e6 thrown in (instead of the more common d6) those are crazy. You end up with with the N and Q attacking f2. It is crazy but there are some lines that are equal, so it may be sound. I dont have my notes here with me though. |
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| Feb-21-03 | | ksadler: DrunkenKnight 2, are you talking about Alekhine lines with e6 and w/out d6 (i.e. 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 e6 a la a game I have in my personal database (Alekhine-Blewanus), which I'll add now)or lines like 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6, which is mainline...I suppose the first. The problem with pushing e6 and not d6 is that castling in the Alekhine is really key and that must be your first priority ahead of material gains. |
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| Feb-21-03 | | ksadler: Sorry I'm mistaken, the game went 1. e4 Nf6 2. Nc3 d6 3. d4 e6 (I was just searching for 3. d4 e6 games in my db). Sorry. |
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| Jul-21-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: Seeing as Alekhine wasent planning to play 3. ... d4 , why not just play 2. ... e5 and avoid the whole mess? |
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| Sep-19-05 | | domradave: This is the game with 33, Knght to G^ check. Alekhine played brilliantly but Nimzo was deeper. Raymond Keene is right to play this game out from the black side. What an ambush! |
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| Nov-23-05 | | square dance: wow, great game to go over. going through the game, i wondered why not just win material with 36.Qxg6+ Kf8 37.Rf8+ Ke7 38.RxR but then black is just getting mated after 38...NxN. 39.Bg2 Nf2+ 40.Kg1 Nh3 dbl ch (41.Kf1 Qf2#) 41.Kh1 Qg1+ 42.RxQ Nf2# smothered mate! or 39.RxN BxR+ 40.Bg2 Qf2 41.BxB Qxh2# or black is mating with ...Qf1# i dont think i missed anything, but its not quite 7am here. ;-) good mating practice for patzers like myself. |
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| Nov-23-05 | | Calli: 34.Qg4!! "one of the finest waiting moves known in chess literature" - Tartakower |
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| Oct-17-06 | | notyetagm: 34 ♕g4!!, unbelievable combination by Nimzowitsch. |
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| Dec-03-06 | | fgh: I knew this one by memory :-) |
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| Dec-03-06 | | notyetagm: <Calli: 34.Qg4!! "one of the finest waiting moves known in chess literature" - Tartakower> Good luck finding this move, Sunday puzzle solvers. :-) |
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| Dec-03-06 | | TrueBlue: lol, got it, I am starting to get scared, I am getting way too many Sundays! |
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| Dec-03-06 | | chessmoron: Excellent move though and of course I didn't get.
Question: Can Black equalize the position by playing 34...Rg8? You can also play 33. Qg4 and 34. Nf6+ (vice versa). |
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Dec-03-06
 | | Sneaky: I've never seen this before. If Qg4 is really an only move, then this game qualifies as an immortal. Something else I noticed: Nimzo beats Alekhine in the puzzle of the day, and Alekhine beats Nimzo in the game of the day (Nimzowitsch vs Alekhine, 1931) Coincidence? I think not... |
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Dec-03-06
 | | al wazir: OK, but what if black doesn't accept the sac? 33. Ng6+ Kg7 (not 33...Kg8 because of 34. Ne7+ Kf7 35. Nxc6 Nxe4 36. Nxe5). A) 34. Nxf8 Kxf8, and black eventually either wins back the exchange or wins the pinned ♘. B) 34. Qg4 Kf7. I don't see a good continuation for white. C) 34. Nxe5 Bxe4 35. Rxe4 Nxe4 36. Qxe4 fxe5 37. Qxe5+ Qf6. White has a ♙ for the exchange, and there isn't much left of the attack. But maybe somebody can find a better move for white. |
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| Dec-03-06 | | Gypsy: <al wazir:> 33.Ng5+ Kg7 34.Nxf8 Kxf8 35.Rxc3 Bxc3 36.Qxc3... looks good for White. |
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| Dec-03-06 | | mig55: On 34.../Rg8 I dont see much advantage for white... |
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| Dec-03-06 | | mig55: Chessmoron, Nf6+ cannot be played!!
And I think indeed that 34... Rg8 equalizes..I searched on Ng6 but did not get further..:-) |
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