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|Apr-04-15|| ||zanzibar: <sergeidave> thank you for pointing that ref out to me. |
<jnpope>, in an older post on another forum, had mentioned that there once was a time when the color who moved first was variable.
Of course I was incredulous. But <jnpope> is both indefatigable and inimitable, and now you've offered proof most incontrovertible.
From <jnpope>'s post I believe that during match play, in days of old, players would have the same color for the entire match, alternating move.
I still would like to see more historical references for when this convention went out of favor, and the modern White-to-move convention became universally adopted.
|Jun-30-15|| ||w7n: The interesting fact is that when this game was analysed by Kieseritsky (in La Regence), the most critical move 18.Bd6 was given the comment 'the coup de grace which proves all black's efforts futile'. Supposedly the line which saves black from being crushed was too hard for chess players to find by then??|
Also, several sources have claimed that black is winning after 18.Bd6 if he plays correctly, but Stockfish 5 evaluates the position after 18.Bd6 Qxa1+ 19. Ke2 Qb2 as +0.00, with the next white move as 20. Bxc5, while 20. Kd2 is also evaluated as +0.00. (Which likely means both lines should end in a draw soon)
So while 18.Bd6 is not objectively sound, it's not losing either.
|Sep-06-15|| ||The Kings Domain: One for the ages. Anderssen's combinative skill and foresight are timeless. Kieseritzky sure showed his limitation by going for piece-grabs rather than defending his kingside against whites ominous buildup there.|
|Nov-30-15|| ||roriray35: I keep telling my under twelve team "remember to bring out your queen's bishop and don't leave your rooks standing in the corners"!|
|Dec-31-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <offramp: Who thought up the brilliant pun for this game? And who voted for it?>|
Could it have been you? In a former life?
|Feb-24-16|| ||luftforlife: In his The Middle Game in Chess, GM Dr. Reuben Fine analyzed this game from 18. Bd6 through its conclusion, and followed the moves just as they are iterated here. His annotation (which I've altered only by conversion to one form of modern-day notation and by identifying the cumulative move numbers) diverges from the alternative 1879 Steinitz line provided above (interlarded with the PGN moves), with the following predicted moves and consequences flowing from the alternate move 18. . . . Qxa1:|
"If here, e.g. 18. . . . QxRa1+; 19. Ke2, QxRg1; then 20. Nxg7+, Kd8; 21. Bc7#."
Reuben Fine, The Middle Game in Chess (New York: David McKay Co. 1952, Tartan softcover reprint, September 1972), at 20 (notation converted, cumulative enumeration substituted).
Best to all, ~ lufty
|Feb-24-16|| ||Sally Simpson: "Kieseritzky sure showed his limitation by going for piece-grabs...."|
Kieseritzky had a plus score v Anderssen.
Some chess books actually claim that Kieseritzky was the winner of this game. (it was definitely Anderssen.)
Eliza Campbell Foot (see my post in that thread.)
|Mar-17-16|| ||talhal20: Anderssen was at the top of his chess prowess.|
|Apr-12-16|| ||Gambito23: Kaspárov critica el gambito 4...b5, y analiza 7.Cc3! g5 8.d4 Ab7 9.h4 Tg8 10.Rg1 gh 11.Th4 Dg6 12.De2 Ce4 13.Tf4 f5 14.Ch4 Dg3 15.Ce4 (1-0) Nigel Short-Kaspárov,Londres 1993. Partida exhibición temática.|
|Aug-26-16|| ||nikromos: This final position of this game was used in Mr. Robot for the first game Ray plays with Elliott.|
|Nov-12-16|| ||Inedit2: Very strange game !|
|Mar-29-17|| ||erony: Of course 18.Bd6?! played in the game was not a good move, when 18. d4! is winning, just like 18. Be3! or 18. Re1!. But after all, it is not so bad.|
The line 18.Bd6 Qxa1+ 19. Ke2 Qb2 20. Kd2! is critical, but it is not "0,00" like somebody said. After 20...Bxg1 21 e5 Ba6, white wins (I leave you the pleasure to discover how). Better 21...Bb7 but still, it is a white advantage.
|Jul-06-17|| ||ketchuplover: Happy Immortal Birthday young man :)|
|Aug-25-17|| ||Isilimela: Oh alas the death of romanticism at the cold hands of the "silicon monster".|
16 ... Bc5 ?? Blunder
17 Nd5 Blunder (17 d4 Bf8 18. Be5 etc)
18. Bd6 Blunder 18 ... Bxg1 Blunder!
|Aug-25-17|| ||ughaibu: Not every less than best move is a "blunder".|
|Aug-25-17|| ||WorstPlayerEver: A blunder is a serious mistake.|
|Aug-25-17|| ||Olavi: There are other definions also. It's very normal for professionals to call a move a blunder if they have overlooked everything. Even if they got lucky and the move didn't lose or anything. OK, that's perhaps an emotional definition.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||ndg2: Evergreen > Immortal|
|Oct-16-17|| ||benderules: Bagration is a name? It sounds like an insult.|
|Oct-16-17|| ||keypusher: <benderules> <Bagration is a name? It sounds like an insult.>|
Far from it.
|Jan-18-18|| ||MariusDaniel: Adolf Anderssen's Great Chess skills!|
|Apr-22-18|| ||Tal1949: It is strange that a off-hand game has been given the title of the Immortal game. Do we have any idea how serious both men took the game? (which could be the real reason for the errors). And if Kieseritsky did resign after the King move- the ending moves are just made up and the queen sacrifice did not even happen. It is easy to just play 22..Ne7 and deny the glory of the sacrifice anyway.|
Tal and Koblents (and many other masters) probably have a dozen Immortal games like this that have never seen the light of day.
|May-18-18|| ||dk93069: Its very interesting game I have ever seen.|
|Oct-03-18|| ||louispaulsen88888888: Adalbert? Felix? Bagration??? I bet this kid had a hard time in school!|
|May-24-19|| ||Sally Simpson: ***
It is too easy to take life and your a little too seriously these days.
The modern chess player will typically worry about next month’s mortgage payment, the phone bill or ChessBase Database incompatibilities with Windows ’95. He may drown his sorrows in the local after a particularly harsh from Fritz 4.
Worse still, a bad six months might well see an unhealthy drop in rating points, fewer invitations, little or nothing in the way of appearance fees and depressing trips to Wolverhampton to up a quick quid un a rapid-play event,
I find that the best antidote to these symptoms is a return to traditional values of the 19th century,
In those days, chess was played in cafes with the typical alcohol consumption a little more than the two units recommended to today’s beleaguered modern man. The so-called ‘Immortal Game’ was played in Simpson’s-in-the-Strand in 1851.”
There follows the ‘Immortal Game’
David Norwood, Weekend Telegraph. March 1977
In his financial woes ending with depressing trips to Wolverhampton David forgot to mention that a good source of income was a newspaper column where one can reshuffle
old often repeated games. :)
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