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| Dec-25-07 |
| xrt999: Black played so badly here, I really dont see why people love this game. To be honest, I cant find a good move in blacks list, and would even venture to say that black probably played an inferior move on evey turn after 7...d3. I really didnt want to continue, but actually made it through the entire game in the name of science. Cheers! |
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| Jan-12-08 |
| JimmyVermeer: ruzon, here is an answer to the first of your 3 questions: After a brief Chessmaster analysis, this is what I have come up with:
17 Rad1 Rg8 18 Bc2 Bc8 19 Re2 a5 20 Ng3 Qh6 21 Nf5 Nxf5 22 Bxf5
17 Nf6+ gxf6 18 exf6 Rg8 19 Qd1 Qh3 20 Bf1 Ba6 21 Rxe7+ Nxe7 22 Qe1 Qe6 23 Qxe6 dxe6 24 Bxa6
17 Nf6+ gxf6 18 exf6 Rg8 19 Rad1 Qh3 20 Bf1 Qf5 21 Bd3 Qh3 22 Bf1 Qf5 23 Bd3 Qh3
Anderssen's 17th move loses a rook for a bishop and a pawn, so it is slightly worse than Rad1. On his 19th move, Rad1 would have lost a knight for a pawn, which results in a drawn game. Why settle for a draw when you can win? But Dufresne's mistake on the very next move makes Anderssen's mistake moot. |
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Mar-18-08
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| just a kid: I got a 42 on G-T-M without knowing this game or cheating.I swear! |
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Mar-18-08
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| Knight13: <just a kid: I got a 42 on G-T-M without knowing this game or cheating.I swear!> A future chess master, yes? There's no way a 1200 (based on what you said in your profile) can get 42 on this. |
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Mar-19-08
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| just a kid: I think I'm higher than that rating. |
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| Apr-19-08 |
| BishoPair: wow fantastic planning |
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May-20-08
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| Stryker672: I don't understand why so many people keep giving 19. Rad1 an exclamation point. Although the move leads to one of the most beautiful combinations in chess history, objectively the move loses. A simple check with Fritz shows that 19... Qxf3! wins after 20. Rxe7+ Kd8! 21. Rxd7+ Kc8! and if 22. Rd8+ Black replies with 22... Nxd8! and White is practically forced to play 23. Qd7+ hoping for 23... Kxd7?? 24. Bf5+ and mate next move. But instead Black has 23... Kb8!! and now there is nothing better than 24. Qxd8+ Rxd8 25. gxf3 Bxf3 when White is totally busted. Instead of 19. Rad1? Fritz prefers 19. Be4 or even 19. Qf4 and it appears that White is at least equal if not better. |
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May-20-08
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| SwitchingQuylthulg: <Stryker672: Black replies with 22... Nxd8! and White is practically forced to play 23. Qd7+ hoping for 23... Kxd7?? 24. Bf5+ and mate next move. But instead Black has 23... Kb8!!> Well, yes... except that b8 is blocked by his own rook. |
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May-20-08
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| Stryker672: Oops, sorry about that. I accidentally left the rook on a8 when I set up the position with Fritz. I was solving some tactical puzzles when I recognized the position after 19... Qxf3 as the Evergreen game. After correctly finding the game continuation, I decided to use Fritz to figure out the continuation if Black played 20... Kd8 and was surprised to see that it said Black was winning. |
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| Oct-14-08 |
| BraveUlysses: The argument about old versus new masters is an interesting one even if some people get upset or feel comparisons are odious.
I think we would all agree that most or all of the masters throughout the last 150 years or so were/are quite brilliant (or else how would they have played the games on the record- we plodders don't come up with many OTB brilliancies do we?), with a select (large) group of true freakish geniuses like Morphy, Alekhine, Capa, Bobby, Kasp and Karp et al. The old masters might find modern chess a bit boring and look askance at all this bookish analysis and using computers to sniff out small gains in openings etc, but who would doubt they would have the ability to succeed in the modern game if they wanted to? And a Kasparov or Fischer would have been among the best in any generation, without doubt. Ditto Carlsen, but I am not sure some of the present top masters would have had the chutzpah to cut the mustard in the old days as they seem to go for safety and avoid wild positions in the search for a draw, especially as black, which the old masters would have scorned.
I say, all hail ALL the masters, old and new... but give me fireworks and imaginative play over prepared lines and caution any day- that is why you have to admire players like Anderssen and Morphy. |
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| Dec-06-08 |
| WhiteRook48: Anderssen is so SHOCKING in this game
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| Dec-07-08 |
| WhiteRook48: Anderssen was about to be mated himself with Qxg2#. |
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| Dec-18-08 |
| WhiteRook48: 17. Nf6+!! gxf6 18. exf6 Rg8? 19. Rad1!!!! Looks innocent enough, right??
19...Qxf3??
20. Rxe7+! Nxe7
21. Qxd7+! Kxd7 (Kf8 loses to Qxe7#)
22. Bf5+! Ke8
23. Bd7+!! Kf8 24. Bxe7#!!!!! |
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| Dec-23-08 |
| WhiteRook48: 7...d3 is very dubious.
d6 or even dxc3 was better. But even so ...dxc3 runs into 8. Qb3!! Qf6 9. e5! Qg6. |
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| Jan-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: or 9. Bg5! Qg6 |
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| Jan-19-09 |
| WhiteRook48: This is almost as famous as the immortal game. |
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| Feb-07-09 |
| WhiteRook48: after 20...Kd8 what does white do? |
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Feb-07-09
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| Gilmoy: <WhiteRook48: 20..Kd8> 21.Rxd7+ <of course> Kc8 <he must decline on d7; Ke8 22.Re7+ will win Black's Q> 22.Rd8+ <clearance sac> Nxd8 <Rxd8 drops his Q> 23.Qd7+ <same old> Kxd7 <he can't decline> 24.Bf5++ K(c6,e8) 25.Bd7#. You know White is willing to sac his Q at d7. So 21.Rxd7+ is the same sac for half the price. |
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| Feb-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Anderssen is forEVER sacrificing.
I went through these moves and find that Black is totally lost.
Thanks <Giilmoy> |
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| Feb-23-09 |
| WhiteRook48: must have punched in the "i" key in twice.
Got to be more careful with my typing... |
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Jun-01-09
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| Eisenheim: what if black sacs back on move 19 with 19 ... Rxg2? 20 Kxg2 Ne5. would that effectively turn the tables here? |
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| Jul-12-09 |
| adhitthana: <Eisenheim: what if black sacs back on move 19 with 19 ... Rxg2? 20 Kxg2 Ne5. would that effectively turn the tables here?>
Rybka 2 (the free version) gives 20...Ne5 21.Qxd7 Kxd7 22.Bg6+ Ke6 23.Bxh5 winning back the Queen and protecting f3 so white maintains the advantage it seems being the exchange ahead. |
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| Aug-16-09 |
| Max Lange: After 19...Bd4 Black is even says Fritz. Still, a pretty cool game. |
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Aug-31-09
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| siegbert: 20 Rg4 is of interest here. fritz played 21 Bc4.no mention of the move at all in the worlds greatest games by burgess etc.our game went fritz dr 31/8/2009 19 Rg4 20 Bc4 Ne5 21 Rxe5 Rxg2+22 kf1 Rxf2+ 23 Ke1 Bxf3 24 Qxd7+ kf8 25qd8+ rxd8 26 rxd8mate |
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Sep-01-09
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| siegbert: burgess etc pick 20 Rg4 as blacks best try.rxg2 does not quite come off. |
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